Hey Russ whats this all about?

[BoberFett]

<< Actually their actions DID skew the election results. The absentee ballot applications were about to be thrown out >>

Ah yes, but this election isn't about the technicalities in the law. It's about the &quot;will of the people&quot;. Just ask the Democrats.

 

[Futuramatic]

ride-

You call that skewed? Okay, how about it did not make them &quot;unfair,&quot; or &quot;incorrect?&quot; Surely you don't think it was a bad thing that the votes were counted, since it was NOT the fault of the voters?

 

[I'm Typing]

<< What the Republicans did was preserve the right of REAL LIVE PEOPLE to vote to vote (which would
have otherwise been discarded due to no fault of the voter). Comparing that to pure and outright FRAUD in the Miami Mayoral race is ridiculous. >>



The Republicans went into elections offices and altered inaccurate absentee ballot applications that otherwise would have been discarded, due to an error by the voters??????

The democrats want 15,500 votes (from Dade county) counted that the RepubliKlans want to throw out, because the voter casting the ballot made an error (double punches, hanging chads, etc.) What is the difference here?

I say you cannot have it both ways. If the RepubliKlans can change absentee ballot applications, then the Democrats should be able to get those votes counted. But since that is not going to happen, let us apply the law that is in place here.

Remember, the DEAD people who &quot;voted&quot; in the Miami Mayoral race did so because someone other than themselves filled out an ABSENTEE ballot APPLICATION. The law was enacted so that people who had no business entering data on an absentee ballot APPLICATIONS, would keep their hands off of them.

In the Mayoral race, the applications were filled out by third parties. This enabled people to vote who should not have been able to vote (because they were dead). In the Presidential race, the applications were filled out by third parties. This enabled people to vote who should not have been able to vote (because they did not properly fill out the application). The correlation is quite strong.

 

[Russ]

<< The remedy for over 30 years has been to throw out the ballots. >>



Chess9,

I don't know why you keep referring to this bogus 30 years. The applicable law has only been on the books for two years. Is this some kind of attempt to strengthen your weak position?

As for the disparate treatment argument, that's crap:



<< &quot;The mistake that was made on them was made by the Republican party,&quot; Robbins said. &quot;It only seemed logical to allow the Republican party to correct that mistake.&quot;

The goal, Robbins said, was to ensure no voter was disenfranchised. &quot;We did not want to deny the voter the right to get their absentee ballot,&quot; she said. &quot;They assumed that they had correctly requested an absentee ballot.&quot;

The same opportunity would have been given to Democrats, she said, but was not necessary because all forms sent in by Democratic voters were complete and needed no additions. >>



You democrats need to face reality. Neither of these cases are going to save Gore's ass. If the judges are fools, and rule in favor of the democrats, the appeal will fix that stupid mistake.

Russ, NCNE

 

[chess9]

I'm Typing:

Nice post. I agree fully.

However, it appears that Nikki doesn't have the requisite balls to pull this one out for Gore. If Gore loses these cases, it's all over.

 

[Russ]

<< However, it appears that Nikki doesn't have the requisite balls >>



Or, perhaps she DOES have the requisite intellect to realize just how ridiculous the suit is.

Russ, NCNE

 

[ride525]

<< Ah yes, but this election isn't about the technicalities in the law. It's about the &quot;will of the people&quot;. Just ask the Democrats. >>



Where are the republicans when the &quot;will of the people&quot; is mentioned? They have done EVERYTHING to delay and prevent the manual recounts which were trying to get more votes counted. Even to the extent of the whole state of Florida.

These two cases are about whether it was LEGAL to enter information on absentee ballot applications AFTER they were received. And then, what the remedy to this situation might be.

 

[Russ]

<< They have done EVERYTHING to delay and prevent the manual recounts which were trying to get more votes counted. >>



Close, but not quite. They're trying to prevent more bogus Gore votes from being created out of ballots where NO vote was cast in the Presidential race.. These county's own canvassing boards stopped the counts, NOT the Republicans. They simply responded to Gore's suits to overturn the decision made by local authorities.

Aside from that, the ballots HAVE been counted, several times. The deadline was even extended by twelve days when the Florida Supreme Court tried to re-write the law, and they still couldn't manufacture enough new votes for Gore.

Russ, NCNE

 

[etech]

There is a distinct difference between a voter who is too careless to properly punch a ballot and too indifferent to check it before turning it in and a voter who through no fault of their own sends in a ballot application card that had an incorrect voter ID already filled in.

The printer that the Republicans used screwed up. He put the wrong voter ID on the absentee ballot applications. The Republicans corrected the incorrect numbers, they did not &quot;fill out&quot; the cards. Big difference.

The preprinted cards that the Democrats used had the correct ID numbers on them, they did not need correcting.



Only an idiot would type RepubliKlans, trying to associate the Republican party to the KKK is indicative of a biased individual who has no basis in reality. I'm sorry to see that there are still people who think they have to resort to that sort of lie to try and make a point.

 

[ride525]

<< They're trying to prevent more bogus Gore votes from being created out of ballots where NO vote was cast in the Presidential race.. >>



Close but not quite....they are just trying to count votes where there WAS a vote cast for president, but the punch card machines could not read that vote.

Even the REPUBLICAN witness in the &quot;contest&quot; trial said you should do manual recounts in close elections.

 

[Russ]

<< they are just trying to count votes where there WAS a vote cast for president, but the punch card machines could not read that vote. >>



That's what the democrats want us to believe. The transcripts of the Broward County manual recount prove otherwise.

Russ, NCNE

 

[UG]

It's quite apparent here, from the strewn about body parts, why neither Dems nor Repubs can accomplish anything meaningful: you folks can't agree on anything. It's fun to watch, at first. Then it's just the same old, stupid sh!+.

Whereas Nero rushed to Rome to direct fire abatement measures while the city burned, soon thereafter his political adversaries foisted the rumor he ordered the blaze set. So, to deflect a political tar and feathering, Nero decided he'd be better off blaming the Christians, whereupon he fed them to the lions as sacrificial scapegoats.

Still, today, political b!tchg-slapping is wasted motion too easily confused with meaningful action. Why should this surprise any of us out here in the bleechers?

Idiots Gore and Bush are the business end of political machines and support structures peopled by the same kinds of polarized, milktoast idiots in evidence here.

You're all a bunch of losers dragging down the rest of us with you.

At least the lions had a purpose untainted by partisan, regurgitated thinking.

Bite me, please. =8^o

 

[cxim]

<>Even the REPUBLICAN witness in the &quot;contest&quot; trial said you should do manual recounts in close elections<>

dem Distortions &amp; more dem distortions... Those county elections were not close... a 100,000 vote difference is not close.

The Gorons just had to try a new way of stealing an election. BY protest &amp; change the rules of counting ballots, after the election

By the Way... the way the Broward Ballots were hand counted was illegal due to the Fl S C ruling in effect at the time... Thanks to liar dem atty Boies.

Under that ruling no dimples should have been counted. The controlling case law said NO DIMPLES, dimples do not reflect the will of the voter.

 

[Futuramatic]

I'm Typing (but you are obviously not thinking)-

Your reply to my post is completely lost on me. The voters made NO error (clean your glasses and re-read my post) that would invalidate their applications. It was a snafu on the part of either the Republicans or the voter registration office. Why should these people be penalized? The Republicans that went in there corrected the error. They didnt contaminate the ballots or applications in any way. They simply wrote-in the appropriate VIN so that these people would have their votes counted. All this happened before the election too. I fail to see what the problem is.

Miami was CLEAR CUT case. The people were dead. There was NO way they could have voted. The people in this case are alive. They voted, a right that would have been denied to them if the Repulbicans had not corrected the applications. So you would have them throw out LEGALLY CASTED votes, do to NO fault of the voter?

ride-

The Republicans neither rejected nor accepted a statewide recount. If the Democrats think it is such a popular idea, why did they not attempt to have a court order one? Why has it never been formally requested? Cause they fear it. They use it to make it look like the Republicans are fighting any type of recount, when they themselves KNOW they would lose if they counted ANYTHING but Democratic dominated counties.

 

[ride525]

<< dem Distortions &amp; more dem distortions... Those county elections were not close... a 100,000 vote difference is not close. >>



You might check on Florida as a state.....which is the only thing that matters....537 votes out of 6 million cast IS a close election.....

Too bad Bush's folks have put roadblock after roadblock into the manual recounts....we'll probably not know until it is too late who actually got more votes in Florida....

 

[UG]

[/sigh]

 

[Futuramatic]

ride-

1. Recount the whole state. Gore would LOSE if he didnt just count WHAT HE WANTED TO COUNT.

OR

2. Have a FAIR election where the media doesn't screw it up for the people in the western handle (who are overwhelmingly Republican, go figure).

 

[ride525]

<< Recount the whole state. Gore would LOSE if he didnt just count WHAT HE WANTED TO COUNT. >>

Sounds good to me......Common thought is that Bush would lose, and that is why Bush said to let the court cases play out instead of accepting Gore's offer to count the whole state. Apparently there must be more undervotes in Democratic areas, that's the only explanation I can find....

Too bad we can't recount the whole state. Then we would REALLY know who won....Maybe Bush, maybe Gore....(or my favorite, a tie....then they could draw lots)


<< Have a FAIR election where the media doesn't screw it up for the people in the western handle (who are overwhelmingly Republican, go figure). >>

I'd like to see a law made so that there could be NO predictions while the election is going on....anywhere.....

 

[Michael]

From the little I heard of the absentee ballot cases, there is no question that the law was broken and I expect there will be criminal action after the election cases are settled. It will be up to the two judges to deide on the remedy for the election contest. Both asked very pointed questions to the Democrat attorneys about the severity of the remedies they were requesting and there were some good stats presented on the # of voters that voted after their absentee ballot requests were rejected (for other reasons) - the % was quite high.

I'm guessing that they will not throw out any ballots because the voters were not comitting fraud and they did make a request for an absentee ballot.

The NY Times editorial page was very scatheing in their comments about the ballot request cases. They said that Gore not stepping in to end them and even fanning their fires ended the creibility of his position on every vote being counted.

The FSC seemed really mad at the Republican lawyers. They did not like the fact that the brief was arguing that they could not reverse the lower court decision.

Michael

 

[jacobnero6918]

<< Too bad Bush's folks have put roadblock after roadblock into the manual recounts....we'll probably not know until it is too late who actually got more votes in Florida.... >>




It's not the Republicans who are actually blocking the recounts, It's the courts !! If Gore had a stronger arguement he may win but they keep ruling agianst him. We will see what the FloriDuh sc has to say but they seem a little reluctant after the US supreme court ruled agianst them.