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Hey Republicans you going to fix it?

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If the GOP does indeed take over, the moment the new congress starts in January all you'll hear from the MSM is how bad everything is and that it's all the new congress's fault. Wash, rinse, repeat until the Nov 2012 election.

On a more serious note, there really is very little a GOP controlled congress can do unless they win a veto-proof majority. The Obamanation will never sign a bill that repeals the new botched abortion of a healthcare law. He'll veto politically incorrect spending cuts and do what Clinton did - shut down the government and blame the GOP. Obamanation's ego will not allow him to compromise with the new congress as his little 'they can ride in the back seat' speech the other day clearly shows. I also think that the McCain / Graham crowd won't be of that much help in getting any meaningful 'fixing' accomplished.
 
Monster_Munch said:
The part that claims evolution and global warming are fictional, but hell is real - and all the gays are going there.
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That isn't what the republican party believes as a whole. There are just as many evolution deniers in the democrat party as there are in the republican party. There are a lot of smart people in both parties, pointing out fringe members beliefs and saying "OooOOoo That party is crazy!" is a dishonest evaluation of where that party stands.

After all, look at some of the loons here in both parties. If fringe beliefs was your basis for how crazy a party is, then I'm surprised the world hasn't burned to the ground yet from all the insanity.
 
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Really? Are you saying the Christianists haven't had a major effect on the Reps the last years?

I expect more of the same from Republicans: talk about small government (whatever that is) out of one hand, and opening the Government money spigot with the other.

In other words, business as usual.

If the whole party adopts shrinking the Defense as a mantra to balance the budget, then I can start taking them seriously. Otherwise they are exactly as bad as they claim their opponents to be when it comes to spending.
 
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They ain't gonna be able to do shit. Even if they gain control of both house and senate they most likely will not have a veto proof majority.
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If Obama slams a veto stamp on everything that comes across his desk will he will be labeled as an obstructionist? The Democrats as the party of No? 😀
 
Cogman said:
That isn't what the republican party believes as a whole. There are just as many evolution deniers in the democrat party as there are in the republican party. There are a lot of smart people in both parties, pointing out fringe members beliefs and saying "OooOOoo That party is crazy!" is a dishonest evaluation of where that party stands.

After all, look at some of the loons here in both parties. If fringe beliefs was your basis for how crazy a party is, then I'm surprised the world hasn't burned to the ground yet from all the insanity.
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It's certainly possible that only the most extreme news from US politics reaches us here on the other side of the Atlantic.

But when I see that a Republican politician has had to go on TV and deny that she's a witch, I just think wtf.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
Really? Are you saying the Christianists haven't had a major effect on the Reps the last years?
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Of course they have, they have also had a big effect on the democrat party. There are LOTS of non-crazy christains. You're think of fundamental christians which have NOT had as big an influence as you are supposing on either party. (BTW, what does global warming have to do with christian teaching....)

I expect more of the same from Republicans: talk about small government (whatever that is) out of one hand, and opening the Government money spigot with the other.
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As do I. I'm not saying the republicans will fix everything (or anything for that matter). Just that I at least agree with their financial talking points. I can't say so much for the Democrats.

If the whole party adopts shrinking the Defense as a mantra to balance the budget, then I can start taking them seriously. Otherwise they are exactly as bad as they claim their opponents to be when it comes to spending.
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And I really don't disagree with this. The republicans have been scared for years to cut spending in any place. The most they have done is lower taxes, which without reduced spending is near suicidal. The democrats aren't much better, they have made Bush look thrifty with all the money they are spending, yet are afraid to even consider raising taxes. Increased spending + decreased taxes = We are cruising for a hurt state.

Right now, America really needs to take a serious look at its pocket book. Social issues are really come second (It doesn't make sense talking about helping the poor when we are heading towards national bankruptcy).

What ever party ends up taking control, I really don't have hope for them to do the right thing (cut spending, potentially raise taxes) as they are all going to be concerned with getting elected again.
 
Agreed Cogman.

I also think we spend a lot of time blaming politicians for what is essentially a problem of an uninformed uninvolved voting population.

There is a reason its tough to change things in Washington unless we have some sort of crisis.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
Agreed Cogman.

I also think we spend a lot of time blaming politicians for what is essentially a problem of an uninformed uninvolved voting population.

There is a reason its tough to change things in Washington unless we have some sort of crisis.
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And even then, a crisis usually lead to politicians running off a cliff. Best example is the patriot act.
 
Sluggo said:
If Obama slams a veto stamp on everything that comes across his desk will he will be labeled as an obstructionist? The Democrats as the party of No? 😀
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if it's shit, the yes. no different than any other president.
 
MooseNSquirrel said:
Agreed Cogman.

I also think we spend a lot of time blaming politicians for what is essentially a problem of an uninformed uninvolved voting population.

There is a reason its tough to change things in Washington unless we have some sort of crisis.
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We have an uninformed uninvolved voting population because life is pretty good and because voting either party into power seems to have the same result - more government empowerment. If things are pretty good and voting for either party seems to have pretty much the same effect, why would people choose to spend some of their scarce free time and energy with politics?
 
QuantumPion said:
What part of the GOP agenda do you find to be extreme? The part about not wanting to spend $1,000,000,000,000 more than tax revenues bring in every year? The part about not wanting to raise taxes by 15% during a recession? Or perhaps its their advocating a requirement that congress actually reads the bills before passing them? Those Nazi's!
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ROFL!!!!

How can you keep a straight face and claim the GOP agenda is "not wanting to spend $XXXX more than tax revenues bring in every year"
when under the last three GOP presidents we have racked up 7.5trillion in spending in excess of tax revenues? Thats the most hilarious shit I ever heard :biggrin:

Thats like saying Charlie Sheen promotes a policy of sobriety and family values! 😀😀😀
 
It's not like the Repubs "fixed" much of anything during the Bush years...6 of which they controlled both the House and Senate. In fact, I'd say they "broke" far more than they fixed during those years. It's only because they didn't have enough of a majority to run roughshod over the Dems that they didn't actually break more than they did.
 
They aren't going to fix jack. Same people, with same ideas = same results.
They'll delay the recovery by a few more years.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Hey Republicans you going to fix it?

I heard on this news this morning that they're currently drafting legislation for $100 billion in budget cuts.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...dget-cut-as-early-act-if-they-take-power.html
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We could cut $100B from military spending alone. Hell we could cut 5 times that from the military budget. But I'm sure the Republicans will talk about cutting a million here and million there rather than actually doing anything substantive, if anything at all. Didn't we learn from the last Republican congress that they just can't stop spending?
 
$100 billion is a drop in the bucket and will not do anything to stop the coming financial meltdown. The deficit will still grow at roughly 1 trillion a year if 100 billion is cut. Thats still fucking insane and will lead to hyperinflation
 
"The backdrop is a federal deficit that the Congressional Budget Office said totaled $1.29 trillion in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30. At 8.9 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product, it was the second-biggest shortfall since 1945."

Ignore it and hope it goes away...or start trying to do something about it? Hmmmm.

BTW...our military is currently at 4.7% of GDP....sounds like a great place to start!
 
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werepossum said:
We have an uninformed uninvolved voting population because life is pretty good and because voting either party into power seems to have the same result - more government empowerment. If things are pretty good and voting for either party seems to have pretty much the same effect, why would people choose to spend some of their scarce free time and energy with politics?
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Unless they're illegal aliens, in which case they all vote at least 15 times. Save us, Tea Party!
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
BTW...our military is currently at 4.7% of GDP....sounds like a great place to start!
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What does GDP have to do with the budget? Are you afraid to say what percentage of the budget military spending is? How about 30%, or $663 billion. A figure only barely exceeded by Social Security.

Defense spending sounds like a fantastic place to cut (among other things, of course).
 
4.7% of GDP almost makes it sound worse than the percentage of budget. Why the fuck is $1 out of every $20 this country produces going towards defense? That's insane. You're saying that a person who makes $100K/yr has to spend $5K on the military? What the fuck? That's USSR style crazy!
 
BoberFett said:
Why the fuck is $1 out of every $20 this country produces going towards defense?
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Because since WW2, we provide the defense for the entire free world (US, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Korea). Do you think we would have been better off letting the communists take over all of Asia and Europe? Doubt it.
 
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