Hey President Obama, how about kicking your own behind?

[Darwin333]

Fern I have no idea why you came up with half of this stuff. Whatever news source you are reading, switch to a new one. Because everything you said except for the command center has been done. As far as the misdeeds of BP you mention, you can't have it both ways. You can't get all flip with the critism of Obama and the administration for openly criticizing BP, then in the same breath want them to pressure BP. You're reaching

I am not sure what news source YOU are reading but I am actually out on the water 3 days a week on my own dime helping to clean this shit up. I live miles away from where oil is currently washing up on shore and I know a ton of the captains currently running boats out there right now.

Red tape beurocratic bullshit has been a nightmare from day 1. It has gotten better within the last week but we will see if that lasts or if its just a fluke. Companies have products that various US government agencies (the little ones, like the Navy and the Army) have already successfully used but can't get the EPA to even respond to their requests for tests/approval (one example is a microbe that somehow eats oil, I am sure you can google it). The COE has performed as expected, like a fucking joke. Parish presidents couldn't get assets from the .gov because some asshole in one of the half dozen agencies involved didn't fill out the paperwork in triplicate and initial the right spot. Tankers that could be sucking the oil off of the surface could have been actually getting oil OUT of the water (what a weird idea, I know) weeks ago with a single phone call from Obama (or BP for that matter, but if they aren't gonna do it we should have done it for them).

This entire operation has been and still is worse than a 3 ring circus without a ringmaster. Don't tell me there isn't anything else the Feds could have or could be doing because I can name a whole fuckin lot. And for the record, yes BP should be doing most of it already but they aren't. That doesn't mean you sit around and watch it burn, you do it for them and send them the bill.

 

[kage69]

I wasn't aware that James Carville, Maureen Dowd, and Bob Herbert championed ending government regulation of the oil industry.

Who said anything about ending government regulation? This is about a company who fuct the country by being lazy and inept enough to not even follow the weak regulations it and others had already lobbied into effect. With the ardent support of previous big oil friendly administrations - why is it you're pretending to be unaware of that?

Whatever. No matter what Obama does, his haters will find something to bitch about, even if it makes them look like partisan hypocrites in the process.

Horrible eco disaster aside, I'm just glad this disaster doesn't involve true executive apathy where hundreds of Americans are stranded on rooftops or floating face down in the water.

 

[nageov3t]

Who said anything about ending government regulation? This is about a company who fuct the country by being lazy and inept enough to not even follow the weak regulations it and others had already lobbied into effect. With the ardent support of previous big oil friendly administrations - why is it you're pretending to be unaware of that?

Whatever. No matter what Obama does, his haters will find something to bitch about, even if it makes them look like partisan hypocrites in the process.

Horrible eco disaster aside, I'm just glad this disaster doesn't involve true executive apathy where hundreds of Americans are stranded on rooftops or floating face down in the water.

You seem to be under the impression that the only people criticizing Obama over this are conservative, bush supporters when that is flatly not true and a significant amount of the criticism has come from democrats and liberal talking heads/columnists.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Obama is doing an awesome job! You haters don't know anything and should be happy we have such a great President of incredibly great compassion. He would never leave hundreds of Americans are stranded on rooftops or floating face down in the water...he is truly great! You partisan hypocrites are really dumb...you have nothing to bitch about...he's doing everything he can....he even said he wanted to kick some ass! OMG...he is so great!

 

[kage69]

You seem to be under the impression that the only people criticizing Obama over this are conservative, bush supporters when that is flatly not true and a significant amount of the criticism has come from democrats and liberal talking heads/columnists.

I am under no such impression, and never said it was only conservatives. I'm aware that there are Dems who disapprove of Obama, but they aren't the ones ignoring the actions of the past admins wrt to this issue, I don't see them pulling 180s on government intervention to complain, and I haven't heard them focusing on completely idiotic things like his clothing or expressions while visiting the coast.

One side is clearly trying to make political hay from this, if you can't see that, well then I guess we're done here.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Lest we forget, from the great Rahm Emanuel himself:

"Rahm Emanuel, Obama`s chief of staff, appeared before an audience of business executives and laid out an idea that Lawrence H. Summers, Obama’s top economic adviser, later described to me as Rahm’s Doctrine. 'You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,' Emanuel said. `What I mean by that is that it's an opportunity to do things you could not do before.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/magazine/01Economy-t.html?_r=1

Do you think that the administration is dragging its feet for a reason? This is a great crisis to take advantage of.

I admit, I don't have cable so I get the CBS, ABC, NBC evening news and late news. I don't see them pointing out much in the way of what the administration is doing, just showing how much worse it is getting. So much for the liberal bias in media.

 

[kage69]

Obama is doing an awesome job! You haters don't know anything and should be happy we have such a great President of incredibly great compassion. He would never leave hundreds of Americans are stranded on rooftops or floating face down in the water...he is truly great! You partisan hypocrites are really dumb...you have nothing to bitch about...he's doing everything he can....he even said he wanted to kick some ass! OMG...he is so great!

Wow, now even your patronizing trolls are lacking. You still have ground to cover if you're gonna match the stupidity you dumped in the Face of Islam thread. Keep at it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Wow, now even your patronizing trolls are lacking. You still have ground to cover if you're gonna match the stupidity you dumped in the Face of Islam thread. Keep at it.

50 days into this disaster with no end in sight...you complain about Obama being criticized...and then divert blame to "previous big oil friendly administrations". You continue your diversion to say you're "glad this disaster doesn't involve true executive apathy where hundreds of Americans are stranded on rooftops or floating face down in the water."

And then you have the gall to speak of partisan hypocrisy. You sir are pathetic.

Edit: BTW...I look forward to you exposing my stupidity in the Face of Islam thread.

 

[flavio]

My first post in this thread pointed out the hypocrisy of the post I quoted. Your reply to it was nonsensical. You either chose to ignore the meaning or you didn't comprehend the meaning.

You're first post...

"You mean you want the goverment to stop responding to disasters like the gulf oil spill and Katrina? I wish you guys would make up your minds."

Comparing a natural disaster vs. a business made disaster. Nonsensical.

You either chose to ignore the meaning of my posts or you didn't comprehend the meaning.

 

[Genx87]

I am under no such impression, and never said it was only conservatives. I'm aware that there are Dems who disapprove of Obama, but they aren't the ones ignoring the actions of the past admins wrt to this issue, I don't see them pulling 180s on government intervention to complain, and I haven't heard them focusing on completely idiotic things like his clothing or expressions while visiting the coast.

One side is clearly trying to make political hay from this, if you can't see that, well then I guess we're done here.

What does previous admins fuckups have to do with this?

 

[flavio]

What does previous admins fuckups have to do with this?

You mean Bush/Cheney deregulation that helped cause this? Or the Halliburton connection?

 

[kage69]

50 days into this disaster with no end in sight...you complain about Obama being criticized...

How typical of you. Here's a clue you don't deserve: not all criticism is germane to the issue, much of it feeble and purely political. I can get behind him being held to task for doing PR appearances during this incident, but acting like this is his fault and that he bears the responsibility for the resolution is asinine. Probably why no one has answered my previous question about a prior precedent of executive response to a similar disaster.

You continue your diversion to say you're "glad this disaster doesn't involve true executive apathy where hundreds of Americans are stranded on rooftops or floating face down in the water."

That's not a diversion, that was me being glad so many are wrong in thinking that this is Obama's Katrina. Clearly there is a world of difference between the two disasters.

And then you have the gall to speak of partisan hypocrisy. You sir are pathetic.

That means two things coming from you. Jack, and shit.

Edit: BTW...I look forward to you exposing my stupidity in the Face of Islam thread.

No need at all, it's a feat you perform regularly all on your own. In particular though, I was referring to you responding to a poster who opined that christians don't follow the more radical parts of the bible (he was defending the christian majority) and you immediately countered that if (paraphrasing) ignorance is bliss, he must be very happy. That was you, yes? Sometimes I'm not sure, you hacks just kinda blur together sometimes, coulda been Fear No Facts I suppose.

 

[kage69]

What does previous admins fuckups have to do with this?

What he said.

 

[flavio]

You mean Bush/Cheney deregulation that helped cause this? Or the Halliburton connection?

Which part?

 

[Genx87]

You mean Bush/Cheney deregulation that helped cause this? Or the Halliburton connection?

Which specific deregulation are you talking about? This well was authorized and drilled on Obama's clock.

 

[nobodyknows]

Who said anything about private enterprise? In case you missed it, there is a giant oil slick in the Gulf that needs cleaned up. Why should we have to wait for BP to do it? Whether it's man-made disaster or natural disaster (Katrina), the government should provide support/relief. In this case, that relief should be to assist in cleanup and to prevent it from reaching the beaches. They could always send the bill to BP and I would hope that they do. It is definitely BP's fault, no arguing that. But why the fuck do we have to wait for them to clean it up?

Instead, we get the dumbass response: We are going to sue you!!

When I was in college (18 yrs. ago), a professor made a statement that always stuck with me: America will send lawyers to find out whose fault an issue is while Japan will use engineers to fix the problem.

Sure as shit seems like thatss what is going on here.

I remember reading some time ago that per capita the US has 7 times the lawyers that Japan has and they have 7 times the engineers we do.

As far as the tax payers cleaning up the mess, why should I pay for it? It is private industrys fuck-up. let them fix it.

 

[nobodyknows]

Which specific deregulation are you talking about? This well was authorized and drilled on Obama's clock.

LOL, I'm guessing this might be alluding to the Cheney secret energy meetings?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html

Of course since they were secret, who knows what they talked about/agreed on??

 

[rudder]

Remember Mayor Ray Nagin's busses? Now we have obama's oil booms...

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/miles-...it-in-warehouse-waiting-for-bp-or-u-s-to-use/

 

[flavio]

Which specific deregulation are you talking about? This well was authorized and drilled on Obama's clock.

The deregulation was on someone else's clock.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/dick-cheney-katrina

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/papantonio-thank-dick-cheney-and-his-meeti

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

How typical of you. Here's a clue you don't deserve: not all criticism is germane to the issue, much of it feeble and purely political. I can get behind him being held to task for doing PR appearances during this incident, but acting like this is his fault and that he bears the responsibility for the resolution is asinine. Probably why no one has answered my previous question about a prior precedent of executive response to a similar disaster.

Obama himself acknowledged his administration could have done better in dealing with the oil spill and misjudged the industry's ability to cope with a worst-case scenario. You complain that "not all criticism is germane to the issue, much of it feeble and purely political" in regard to Obama's handling of the spill and then go on to make unrelated, feeble, purely political comments regarding Bush and Katrina....oh, the irony.

So...Obama doesn't bear responsiblity in resolving the problem and it's asinine to think so? That's odd since he's stated "I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down". Did you accidently take a double dose of your medications today?

That's not a diversion, that was me being glad so many are wrong in thinking that this is Obama's Katrina. Clearly there is a world of difference between the two disasters.

I'm so glad you're glad. And I'm glad the Cards may have a decent team this year.

That means two things coming from you. Jack, and shit.

And, being the totally oblivious hack that you are, I would expect nothing less from you.

No need at all, it's a feat you perform regularly all on your own. In particular though, I was referring to you responding to a poster who opined that christians don't follow the more radical parts of the bible (he was defending the christian majority) and you immediately countered that if (paraphrasing) ignorance is bliss, he must be very happy. That was you, yes? Sometimes I'm not sure, you hacks just kinda blur together sometimes, coulda been Fear No Facts I suppose.

Please post in the appropriate thread and I'll be happy to respond to your profound insight.

 

[Genx87]

LOL, I'm guessing this might be alluding to the Cheney secret energy meetings?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html

Of course since they were secret, who knows what they talked about/agreed on??

Well wouldnt it take an act of congress to deregulate? What did congress deregulate in regards to drilling in the Gulf and how did it apply to this situation?

And this doesnt address the underlying logic problem of blaming a previous admin for a well authorized and drilled on the current admins watch.

 

[Genx87]

The deregulation was on someone else's clock.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/dick-cheney-katrina

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/papantonio-thank-dick-cheney-and-his-meeti

In other words the best one can come up with is conjecture a meeting 9 years ago is why this happned? You do realize not enacting regulation is not the same as deregulating right? Apparently according to yoru article we have never required these shutoff valves in the many many many decades of drilling in the Gulf. That includes many many many administrations Democrat and Republican.

Ill ask again, which specific regulation was removed that caused this problem? Dont give me a regulation that was never enacted as proof.

 

[KGB]

I think the OP needs to grow a pair, wait for 'em to drop and then get 'em snipped just to make a point.

 

[KGB]

Make that OB.

 

[werepossum]

What is he suppose to do? This is a private company, that had an accident. This is not a disaster that the government had the authority to go in and take control over. It does not matter how epic something is. Short of him taking over the damn company there is really nothing he can do besides assisting the company. He does not have the a legal authority to do any more than he already has.

Not true, the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 gives the President the authority to take complete control of the spill from Day One. Obama could have stepped in from day one and ordered BP to perform the steps he (and presumably his experts) thought best, including staging subsequent efforts before we know whether or not the ongoing effort works. He could also have hired other companies to work on stopping the spill. Obviously in hind sight he should have done this, although at the time I wouldn't have thought the federal government could have done a better job. Clearly after seven weeks it's more than time to force BP aside and belatedly set up a commission of true experts. Hell, I think he even needs to get his TelePrompter on the case.

The deregulation was on someone else's clock.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/dick-cheney-katrina

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/papantonio-thank-dick-cheney-and-his-meeti

Please try to exercise more than your brain stem. These are two far left loon sites slandering Cheney by suggesting NOT that he was behind any deregulation, but that he was behind a failure to not increase regulation. There was no deregulation; Obama and the Democrats failed to increase regulation just as did Bush and the Republicans. From that you (and by "you" obviously I mean the left wing nuts that provide your "thoughts") have extrapolated blame on Cheney and Bush, just as you do on every possible issue. Hell, even a brain stem ought to be capable of better than that.

Remember Mayor Ray Nagin's busses? Now we have obama's oil booms...

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/miles-...it-in-warehouse-waiting-for-bp-or-u-s-to-use/

Excellent point. While this is definitely a failure of the Obama administration, it also points to failure of government as a whole and of BP as well. As the primary cause BP should be out buying and deploying all the boom available, and the MMS should be enforcing this and also purchasing all the boom available. Only after these two entities failed so spectacularly did Obama get his chance to follow them into the Land of Fail. This does go to show though why Obama is polling on this even worse than did Bush on Katrina; his response has simply been totally useless and ineffective.