Rant Hey Microsoft could please finally give us a proper FILE MANAGER....Signed everyone!

[nakedfrog]

We use a product called "sharepoint" at work. I'm pretty sure it was invented for the sole purpose of cruel and unusual punishments.

The soul-sucking is a bonus feature.

 

[Fritzo]

This is my bitch from a couple months back:

You have to take ownership of the folder that file is in.

 

[Fritzo]

I think File Explorer is excellent though I do have a few niggles with it such as the one the OP described, as well as this:

Explorer deciding that certain folders are "special": for example, if you run a command like this:

robocopy C:\users "D:\users backup" /MIR (I'll skip all the other command switches I normally use in a situation like this because they're irrelevant)

What does Explorer end up showing you on D drive? A folder labelled "Users". You have to fire up a command prompt to see the folder's actual name. IIRC the same goes for other "special" folders such as the current user's Documents folder. If someone knows how to stop this from happening (my workaround is to send it to "D:\users backup\users"), I'd very much appreciate knowing the answer! Thanks to this PITA you can easily engineer a situation whereby you open a folder and there are fifteen folders labelled 'Documents' inside.

I'm using Lubuntu and pcmanfm these days, and while it's nowhere near as awful as Finder for OS X, it's not as good as the good points of File Explorer, but it's manageable and I haven't found any hugely annoying quirks of it IIRC.

The bug in Win10 1803's Explorer bugs me to no end as well: At least 75% of the computers I've tried it on, if I get up the Properties of a user's profile folder, I get a vastly different 'size' figure (or 'size on disk') to if I open that folder and select all inside it > Properties (which gives me the correct figure).

I agree with Red Squirrel about the changes in Win8x and Win10 though, the 'folder list' pane seems to have taken a few steps back and therefore stuff is harder to find there. I'm of the opinion that Windows hit its peak with 7.

I wonder why Explorer doesn't have a GUI for Robocopy built in.

 

[Fritzo]

We use a product called "sharepoint" at work. I'm pretty sure it was invented for the sole purpose of cruel and unusual punishments.

That's Microsoft's company library system. The Office 365 version isn't too bad, but earlier versions were horrific. I'm still dealing with Sharepoint 2010 at a few of my clients.

 

[IronWing]

You have to take ownership of the folder that file is in.

Did that. It doesn't do the trick.

 

[bigi]

xplorer²

https://www.zabkat.com/x2lite.htm

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You say that like you think MS wants you managing your files....pshhh. They would prefer you didn't because you are too dumb to not break something. It's in their ToS somewhere - 'you the user are too stupid and will break things'.

In the vast majority of instances, they ain't wrong.

 

[ctbaars]

I thought you had to write it "users backup" to differentiate directory instead of file.

 

[mikeymikec]

I thought you had to write it "users backup" to differentiate directory instead of file.

I assume you're replying to me. Robocopy /MIR is for replicating an entire folder+file structure, so differentiating the output being to a folder or file is moot. I put the destination path in quotes because there's a space in the folder name.

 

[BurnItDwn]

That's Microsoft's company library system. The Office 365 version isn't too bad, but earlier versions were horrific. I'm still dealing with Sharepoint 2010 at a few of my clients.

That's the version we are on, Sharepoint Server 2010.

And to be fair, my hatred of it is mostly because we are using it as a replacement for a bunch of crap that used to be Domino/Lotus Notes Apps from the 90s, but were all mangled up and barely functional or nonfunctional when ported over. Should have actually been rewritten, or replaced with industry standard apps instead of hastily thrown together in the sloppiest manner on the worst possible infrastructure.

 

[nakedfrog]

That's the version we are on, Sharepoint Server 2010.

And to be fair, my hatred of it is mostly because we are using it as a replacement for a bunch of crap that used to be Domino/Lotus Notes Apps from the 90s, but were all mangled up and barely functional or nonfunctional when ported over. Should have actually been rewritten, or replaced with industry standard apps instead of hastily thrown together in the sloppiest manner on the worst possible infrastructure.

Wow, that's pretty terrible.

 

[Fritzo]

That's the version we are on, Sharepoint Server 2010.

And to be fair, my hatred of it is mostly because we are using it as a replacement for a bunch of crap that used to be Domino/Lotus Notes Apps from the 90s, but were all mangled up and barely functional or nonfunctional when ported over. Should have actually been rewritten, or replaced with industry standard apps instead of hastily thrown together in the sloppiest manner on the worst possible infrastructure.

If you migrate the company to Office 365, Sharepoint actually integrates nicely and takes the place of a document storage system. It prevents the "multiple versions of docs all over the company" issue a lot of people deal with.

Another good replacement is Citrix Sharefile- it's like Dropbox, Zix Encryption, OneDrive, and Google Docs all wrapped into one package. Licenses are a bit pricey but it's a solid product.

 

[Gunbuster]

No likely, they cant even get the file copy dialog options to be consistent in all scenarios. Drag from outlook to a folder where the file name is the same? Will you get the option to keep both? Nope.

 

[Red Squirrel]

We use something at work called eSpace, is that the same as sharepoint? My biggest grippe is that it's constantly asking for a password. So freaking annoying. Have they not heard of cookies? I should only have to login once and it should remember me for at very least the rest of the day. But every time you go to do something like download a file it's asking for the freaking credentials again.

The company is constantly changing stuff, so once all our documentation is there and organized, they're probably going to shut it down and move to another product.

 

[Fritzo]

We use something at work called eSpace, is that the same as sharepoint? My biggest grippe is that it's constantly asking for a password. So freaking annoying. Have they not heard of cookies? I should only have to login once and it should remember me for at very least the rest of the day. But every time you go to do something like download a file it's asking for the freaking credentials again.

The company is constantly changing stuff, so once all our documentation is there and organized, they're probably going to shut it down and move to another product.

Yeah, it's a similar product. It looks like they integrate into different systems though instead of just Microsoft Office.

 

[Ajay]

Did that. It doesn't do the trick.

Really? When I’ve had this problem in the past I’ve used ownership and permissions to fix it. After making myself owner, I also deleted the bogus owners (S-1-23-14.... whatever).

 

[IronWing]

Really? When I’ve had this problem in the past I’ve used ownership and permissions to fix it. After making myself owner, I also deleted the bogus owners (S-1-23-14.... whatever).

I'll give it another shot but I had made myself owner on previous attempts.