Hey, martial arts guru's: Competitions and shows?

LordRaiden

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Hey, anyone here who knows martial arts, do you do any shows or competitions? I'm experienced in Kung Fu, Hapkido, and Tai-Chi and I'm wanting to go to one of the different martial arts competitions around the US. Or even one of the shows where people show off their martial arts skills in demonstrations rather than open fights. I've been doing martial arts for close to 25 years (yes, I started when I was 5) but I've never competed in competition. So I decided that it would be fun to try one out at least once. What shows can I go to that are somewhat near Michigan? What should I know before going? Any pointers you can give would be welcome. Thanks.

I will also say I am no pro at any particular artform, but I love to practice all 3 forms. I practice Kung Fu (ancient form, not that modern garbage some people try to pass off as the real thing) and Hapkido for the skill it requires to master them, and Tai-Chi because of its relaxing, somewhat medicinal nature. Tai-Chi is also great for helping me train my mind to focus and concentrate.
 

LordRaiden

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Actually, I'm not sure. Forms and sparing sounds fun. I've also seen competions where you do your Kata or a Tai-Chi routine for points and a score. I'm not out to beat someone into a mat to prove my manhood. Just some simple fun in competition form would be nice. Maybe go against some people of equal or higher skill to see how I'd do. :)
 
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Well, the problem with a lot of these competitions are that there's a LOT of regualtions you have to keep, such as no grabbing (if a striking style competition), no hitting (if grappling), hits above the waist, etc. - anyhow, not too sure about Michigan.

Here's one - this sunday, actually

another one

Those are open tournaments, I believe - so other stylists will be able to compete - but usually, if it's not a similar style (TKD to Karate, Judo to Juijitsu), it's hard for the Judges to know what you're doing is wrong/right - I once saw a wushu guy compete in forms in a TKD tournament and he did well - you'd better hope that your stuff is "flashy" to impress them - and if you plan on sparring them, bring a cup and sparring gloves. You should be able to find more tournaments if you just google it. Good luck ;)

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And just out of curiosity, what's "real Kung Fu" and what's the hokey sh!t that you mentioned? Any specific styles you'd like to mention? (I know that's liable to start flaming, so PM me if you'd like) - well, I hafta go to kung fu soon - good luck with what you're looking for.
 

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Well, the fake Kung Fu that I was refering to is the Americanized version of Kung Fu. The real stuff is the Kung Fu taught by the Shoulin Monks right out of China. That is the purest and the original form of Kung Fu. It's also the birth place of today's Martial Arts. I had the honor of being trained by an actual Shoulin Monk who was visiting right out of China. That was a huge honor. My actual instructor, Master Jin Jing, was a student of his. His instructor's name was Master Sun Jian Wu. Master Wu, my instructors original teacher came over for a 6 month period and trained us first hand. So I got to tutor under two masters. That was an awesome honor. I'd love to be able to do that again. :D

 

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I took Wing-Chung for a year or so, sounds funny but its the Kung-Fu that Bruce Lee learned in the beginning when he was a teenager. He was so good it and learned fast he decided to use it out on the street starting fights and trouble, thats the reason why he left and came to america and develop his own style.
 

LordRaiden

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Originally posted by: jooksing
you wanna do UFC? i'll be your manager :)
Nah, I wanna do this for fun. I'm not out for doing this perminently. But I think it would be fun to test my skills against other people. I may be big, and I may be really strong, but that don't mean I wouldn't get my *** kicked into next week. :)
 

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Originally posted by: jooksing
you wanna do UFC? i'll be your manager :)
Nah, I wanna do this for fun. I'm not out for doing this perminently. But I think it would be fun to test my skills against other people. I may be big, and I may be really strong, but that don't mean I wouldn't get my *** kicked into next week. :)

yea, your not ilke SnapIT, who can tear apart anyone, including Bruce Lee limb from limb.
 

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do you have a ground game, Lord Raiden? I assume you have good stand up with your kung fu.
 

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Lord Raiden: You say you're experinced in Gung Fu, but only took Wing Chun for a year, so I assume that's not it. What form of Gung Fu are you well experienced in? I'm curious because I'm a fellow Gung Fu practitioner. I've been taking Bamboo Forest Praying Mantis for awhile now. Also, what style of Tai-Chi did(do) you practice? Also, what is the general are you live in, and how far are you willing to travel to participate in competitions?
 
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Originally posted by: Cal166
I took Wing-Chung for a year or so, sounds funny but its the Kung-Fu that Bruce Lee learned in the beginning when he was a teenager. He was so good it and learned fast he decided to use it out on the street starting fights and trouble, thats the reason why he left and came to america and develop his own style.

Well, honestly, he came to the US and developed JKD because his progress in WT/WC/VT/whoever you spell it (the "original" WT, I'll call it) stopped once he fled to the US.
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But then again, what do I know?
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LordRaiden

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Originally posted by: dtyn
Lord Raiden: You say you're experinced in Gung Fu, but only took Wing Chun for a year, so I assume that's not it. What form of Gung Fu are you well experienced in? I'm curious because I'm a fellow Gung Fu practitioner. I've been taking Bamboo Forest Praying Mantis for awhile now. Also, what style of Tai-Chi did(do) you practice? Also, what is the general are you live in, and how far are you willing to travel to participate in competitions?
What is Gung Fu? I know what Kung Fu is. :) Typo maybe? I trained in Kung Fu from 1977 (when I was 5 years old) till mid 1985 (8 years total) then I took Hapkido from June 1985 till May 1991 (6 years) and then in 1991 I went into the Army and haven't taken any formal classes since then. Although I probubly should find someone who's still teaching traditional Shoulin Kung Fu or traditional Korean Hapkido and get back up to speed on my skills as I'm probubly perty sloppy by now by traditional standards.

As far as my Tai-Chi form, I don't really follow any standard or style persay. The Tai-Chi I learned was taught to me by a kindly old Korean lady who happened to work in our mess hall on base and saw me doing my daily Kata. So she taught me Tai-Chi in her spare time and I've been doing the same routine now for close to 11 years. It's incredibly good for helping me get my focus in the morning. :)

 

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What is Gung Fu? I know what Kung Fu is.

Gung Fu is the original Chinese pronounciation of it. Kung Fu is the Americanized version.

As for your story about being trained by a true Shaolin monk, well, Shaolin as taught in China right now is very closely guarded. They teach 'wushu' more than the original Shaolin of old.

I myself was taught Northern Shaolin by an old vietnamese guy, who himself was taught by a Shaolin monk who fled China during the cultural revolution. He didn't speak English, and i didn't speak Vietnamese, so it was ackward, but i managed to live with him and he taught me everyday for a little over 2 years. Prior to him, i was in a westernized school that supposedly taught 5 Animals Shaolin Kung Fu... but after an hour with the vietnamese master, i knew what i had been taught for those years were entirely false.

As for competitions... i don't think they offer what you're interested in. The competitions are extremely formal and regid. Kung Fu competitions do have a little more freedom than others when it comes to the forms... but even then, i don't even remember exactly how grading is done.

And just out of curiosity, what's "real Kung Fu" and what's the hokey sh!t that you mentioned? Any specific styles you'd like to mention?

Well, i can't speak for LordRaiden, but i knew within an hour of training with the Vietnamese master that all my other teaching was false. The very first sequence of moves he taught me, was already focused on maiming or killing an enemy. The style i was taught, had 12 levels. With the last 2 being weapons. Each level had approximately 5-7 moves only. Really, really simple moves as well. Nothing fancy. Every attack was meant to disable an opponent, whether it was throat, groin, hair pulling, joints, etc. The next level, always held the counterattack to the previous level. So for example, level 2, held all the counterattacks for level 1, but also new attacks for level 2. That went all the way till 10, where Dragon style had no counterattack (level 9 was monkey). You know how some of the old chinese gung fu movies, where they yell out their styles of attack, or if you recognize it, and you had an appropriate style to defend, you would see them spar back and forth, back and forth? That's exactly how it is. Level 3 has a jump in kick attack to the chin, and level 4 has a counterattack to that where you step aside and block the kick, but also an attack of your own to the kidney. When my master and i sparred, that's how it was... we would jump back and forth, left and right, attack, counter attack, attack, counter attack, etc.

I only learned up to level 6 before i left him... he wanted to teach me everything before i left, since he wanted to pass on the knowledge to somebody. But living with him was tiring me. I was young, and he was your traditional master. I did daily chores for him, made him dinner, cleaned his dishes, floors, did chores for him, etc, etc. So i wanted to leave quickly, and i was tired of training. Of course now that i looked back on it, i highly regretted not learning everything when i had the chance. I can't name you the exact styles and moves, since he didn't speak English, and i didn't speak Vietnamese... we had a Vietnamese-English dictionary that we used a lot, but most of the moves were too poetic to translate literally. Moves were called like "Axeman comes home", and involved pulling the hair back to expose the neck, and breaking the trachea (like somebody chopping an axe). Or Five Dragons, which was a series of fast attack that emulate the attack of 5 dragons. Level 3, or Circle 3 as he called it, was named The Flower, because when you looked at somebody doing the entire sequence from above, and if he did it correctly, you would see a flower drawn in the dirt from his feet movements.

 

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Originally posted by: jooksing
do you have a ground game, Lord Raiden? I assume you have good stand up with your kung fu.

he said he's experienced with HapKiDo, korean judo basically.

so, ya, he has some ground game.
 

LordRaiden

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Yeah, you could say that. :)

Of all the attacks, defences, and other skills I learned, I think I like what I've learned more for the skill it requires, the graceful and precise form, and all the other elements that it has and requires of someone. It also does great to heighten ones awareness of their surroundings. I'll never claim to be a master at either form as that wasn't my original goal. I have more fun doing staff and weapons drills and doing the Kata's than I do actually going hand to hand. But at the same time hand to hand is fun because you get the experience of testing your skills against someone else.

Last time I went against someone in a sparing competition was in my Hapkido class. Got my *** kicked in the 3rd round, but what I learned was definately invaluable. The bruises were well worth it too. I learned a lesson the hard way that my instructor had been trying to beat into my head for a good 6 weeks about something I was doing wrong. Of course being young and arrogant I guess I kinda ignored that advise from him, but when I got smacked down by someone I should have easily beaten, then I got the point driven home. By the next weeks class I had taken all that I had learned from that sparing match and from what I saw the other students doing and really impressed my instructor. He said to me "About time you opened your mind!" :D I was then allowed to advance to the next level of training after that.
 

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Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Originally posted by: dtyn Lord Raiden: You say you're experinced in Gung Fu, but only took Wing Chun for a year, so I assume that's not it. What form of Gung Fu are you well experienced in? I'm curious because I'm a fellow Gung Fu practitioner. I've been taking Bamboo Forest Praying Mantis for awhile now. Also, what style of Tai-Chi did(do) you practice? Also, what is the general are you live in, and how far are you willing to travel to participate in competitions?
What is Gung Fu? I know what Kung Fu is. :) Typo maybe? I trained in Kung Fu from 1977 (when I was 5 years old) till mid 1985 (8 years total) then I took Hapkido from June 1985 till May 1991 (6 years) and then in 1991 I went into the Army and haven't taken any formal classes since then. Although I probubly should find someone who's still teaching traditional Shoulin Kung Fu or traditional Korean Hapkido and get back up to speed on my skills as I'm probubly perty sloppy by now by traditional standards. As far as my Tai-Chi form, I don't really follow any standard or style persay. The Tai-Chi I learned was taught to me by a kindly old Korean lady who happened to work in our mess hall on base and saw me doing my daily Kata. So she taught me Tai-Chi in her spare time and I've been doing the same routine now for close to 11 years. It's incredibly good for helping me get my focus in the morning. :)

No, I did not make a typo, Gung-Fu is what it is traditionally called. You still haven't told me style, or form if you will, of Gung Fu, or Kung Fu, that you took. I am very interested.
 

LordRaiden

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To be totally honest, I don't remember anymore. It's been long enough that if my instructor told me, I've forgotten by now. You have to remember, I started learning this when I was 5. So I've forgotten quite a bit from then. I still remember much of what I was taught, but not all the minor details. To a 5 year old, or even a 12 year old, what form or style you're studying doesn't seem to matter. Personally, it never really mattered to me, so I guess I never paid attention. Back then kung fu was kung fu, regardless if it had different styles. It wasn't until about 6 years ago that I realized there was more than one form of Judo. :)
 

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Originally posted by: LordRaiden
To be totally honest, I don't remember anymore. It's been long enough that if my instructor told me, I've forgotten by now. You have to remember, I started learning this when I was 5. So I've forgotten quite a bit from then. I still remember much of what I was taught, but not all the minor details. To a 5 year old, or even a 12 year old, what form or style you're studying doesn't seem to matter. Personally, it never really mattered to me, so I guess I never paid attention. Back then kung fu was kung fu, regardless if it had different styles. It wasn't until about 6 years ago that I realized there was more than one form of Judo. :)

Ok, I'm sorry, I just thought that when you said you were experienced, that included knowledge of the history of your art as well as the knowledge and application of techniques. Saying you took "Kung Fu" is almost as general as saying "I took Martial Arts" as there are over 1,000 different styles. And I'm guess from you statement "it never really mattered to me" you never really took your art seriously, so you probably wouldn't know what style it was. Now, back to my one other question, how far are you willing to travel to do competitions, because we have some really good ones from time to time in the South.
 

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Originally posted by: LordRaiden
To be totally honest, I don't remember anymore. It's been long enough that if my instructor told me, I've forgotten by now. You have to remember, I started learning this when I was 5. So I've forgotten quite a bit from then. I still remember much of what I was taught, but not all the minor details. To a 5 year old, or even a 12 year old, what form or style you're studying doesn't seem to matter. Personally, it never really mattered to me, so I guess I never paid attention. Back then kung fu was kung fu, regardless if it had different styles. It wasn't until about 6 years ago that I realized there was more than one form of Judo. :)

If it's been so long ago, what makes you think you can compete then?
 

LordRaiden

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Originally posted by: dtyn
Originally posted by: LordRaiden
To be totally honest, I don't remember anymore. It's been long enough that if my instructor told me, I've forgotten by now. You have to remember, I started learning this when I was 5. So I've forgotten quite a bit from then. I still remember much of what I was taught, but not all the minor details. To a 5 year old, or even a 12 year old, what form or style you're studying doesn't seem to matter. Personally, it never really mattered to me, so I guess I never paid attention. Back then kung fu was kung fu, regardless if it had different styles. It wasn't until about 6 years ago that I realized there was more than one form of Judo. :)

Ok, I'm sorry, I just thought that when you said you were experienced, that included knowledge of the history of your art as well as the knowledge and application of techniques. Saying you took "Kung Fu" is almost as general as saying "I took Martial Arts" as there are over 1,000 different styles. And I'm guess from you statement "it never really mattered to me" you never really took your art seriously, so you probably wouldn't know what style it was. Now, back to my one other question, how far are you willing to travel to do competitions, because we have some really good ones from time to time in the South.
Eh, I live in Lower Michigan. So anything within...oh, 300 miles would be fine. Don't know if I'd go much farther than that.
 

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: LordRaiden
To be totally honest, I don't remember anymore. It's been long enough that if my instructor told me, I've forgotten by now. You have to remember, I started learning this when I was 5. So I've forgotten quite a bit from then. I still remember much of what I was taught, but not all the minor details. To a 5 year old, or even a 12 year old, what form or style you're studying doesn't seem to matter. Personally, it never really mattered to me, so I guess I never paid attention. Back then kung fu was kung fu, regardless if it had different styles. It wasn't until about 6 years ago that I realized there was more than one form of Judo. :)

If it's been so long ago, what makes you think you can compete then?
Eh, it's more about going to them to see how good I actually am compared to others. More of a curiousity thing. I might just go watch some to start with and then compete later on. One thing I'd like to do is hook up with a Hapkido teacher up here in Michigan somewhere. Probubly someone either in Kalamazoo, Lansing, or Jackson as all of them are close enough that the drive wouldn't be a big issue and the cities are big enough to have the really good instructors. Anyone know how much classes would cost anymore? I never paid for mine (Thanks mom and dad!! :)) so I wouldn't know. But your statement does drive home the point that I do probubly need to get back under a good instructor again, especially after this many years out on my own.

 
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Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: LordRaiden
To be totally honest, I don't remember anymore. It's been long enough that if my instructor told me, I've forgotten by now. You have to remember, I started learning this when I was 5. So I've forgotten quite a bit from then. I still remember much of what I was taught, but not all the minor details. To a 5 year old, or even a 12 year old, what form or style you're studying doesn't seem to matter. Personally, it never really mattered to me, so I guess I never paid attention. Back then kung fu was kung fu, regardless if it had different styles. It wasn't until about 6 years ago that I realized there was more than one form of Judo. :)

If it's been so long ago, what makes you think you can compete then?
Eh, it's more about going to them to see how good I actually am compared to others. More of a curiousity thing. I might just go watch some to start with and then compete later on. One thing I'd like to do is hook up with a Hapkido teacher up here in Michigan somewhere. Probubly someone either in Kalamazoo, Lansing, or Jackson as all of them are close enough that the drive wouldn't be a big issue and the cities are big enough to have the really good instructors. Anyone know how much classes would cost anymore? I never paid for mine (Thanks mom and dad!! :)) so I wouldn't know. But your statement does drive home the point that I do probubly need to get back under a good instructor again, especially after this many years out on my own.

I'd advise that you go train before you do anyuthing, but that's up to you - and good luck with that. And, uh . . . if you don't remember what style of Kung Fu it was, how do you know it's not to hokey crap that you were so biased against?

Sorry, off the topic - as for the prices, I'd say normally they go from $50~100 a month (depending on the neighborhood, I even heard that one school charges over $150 per month! :Q ), but something to be weary about - a lot of times, you get what you pay for in martial arts - if they try to sell you a "package" where you'll be guarenteed a black belt/black sash/instructor's level within a "xxx" amount of time, you 're in the wrong place - gow somewhere else.

And if you're anywhere near a college, it might be the best bet - as long as you're over 18, as I'm guessing you are, you should be able to join a club (some colleges even offer it for credit! Cornell taught TKD classes for credit I know, for example) for something in the range of $50~100 a semester - talk about a hot deal! ;)
 

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all u fools are still talking about martial arts?

here is an answer !

KARMA SUTRA!

hands down best !!