Hey everyone on here who calls Obama a socialist

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

Does this mean Fox News is now considered a legit source around here??

Seems that every time someone posts something from Fox they get attacked. Just wondering if we have changed our standards, or is Fox only usable when it agrees with the left wing POV??


BTW Obama is a European Socialist, call it Socialism light. In Euro-socialism we have a free market privately own economy, but the government taxes the hell out of it to provide social services.

In 'real' socialism we would have government run business in addition to the social services.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

BTW Obama is a European Socialist, call it Socialism light. In Euro-socialism we have a free market privately own economy, but the government taxes the hell out of it to provide social services.

In 'real' socialism we would have government run business in addition to the social services.

o' gosh, that's so cute... The manic mind that has predicated so many outcomes and has been wrong so many times is laying out his ideas about what Socialism is...

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

Does this mean Fox News is now considered a legit source around here??

Seems that every time someone posts something from Fox they get attacked. Just wondering if we have changed our standards, or is Fox only usable when it agrees with the left wing POV??

Here I go throwing bicyles to fish again, but the logic is:

No, Fox is NOT a 'legit news source' because of this. It remains a right-wing propaganda outlet.

But you know this, because you constantly post things of the mirror format, whenever you can get some quote from a 'left-wing source' that supports your point, you use it saying 'even THIS LIBERAL' says it, without claiming you see them as any more correct or legitimate because of that one point. As with your tired 'even Al Gore was in favor of extraordinary rendition' anecdote.

There's a concept I've explained before, called 'statement against interest'. What it means is, the person saying they DID the crime is more credible than the person saying they did not. Saying they HAD an affair is more credible than saying they did not. This is the source of the 'only Nixon could go to China' saying, he was views as 'so anti-communist' that he was immune to the charges of 'soft on communism' that would be made if a Democrat had done the same thing.

So, 'Fox News says right-wing position is correct' is not news, while 'Fox News says left-wing position is correct' gets the 'even Fox says' comment.

Just as the chairman of the Democratic Party saying Republicans were right about something could be cited as 'even he says...'

It's sad how you feign ignorance and surprise by this and disengenuously question it while pretending you don't do the same thing.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

BTW Obama is a European Socialist, call it Socialism light. In Euro-socialism we have a free market privately own economy, but the government taxes the hell out of it to provide social services.

In 'real' socialism we would have government run business in addition to the social services.

o' gosh, that's so cute... The manic mind that has predicated so many outcomes and was been wrong so many times is laying out his ideas about what Socialism is...

Oh... isn't that cute... the guy with no ideas of his own is throwing out yet another insult.

Why don't you try making a response with some of your own ideas instead of acting like a troll?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

BTW Obama is a European Socialist, call it Socialism light. In Euro-socialism we have a free market privately own economy, but the government taxes the hell out of it to provide social services.

In 'real' socialism we would have government run business in addition to the social services.

o' gosh, that's so cute... The manic mind that has predicated so many outcomes and was been wrong so many times is laying out his ideas about what Socialism is...

Oh... isn't that cute... the guy with no ideas of his own is throwing out yet another insult.

Why don't you try making a response with some of your own ideas instead of acting like a troll?

Okay. What would you like to ask?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

BTW Obama is a European Socialist, call it Socialism light. In Euro-socialism we have a free market privately own economy, but the government taxes the hell out of it to provide social services.

In 'real' socialism we would have government run business in addition to the social services.

o' gosh, that's so cute... The manic mind that has predicated so many outcomes and was been wrong so many times is laying out his ideas about what Socialism is...

Oh... isn't that cute... the guy with no ideas of his own is throwing out yet another insult.

Why don't you try making a response with some of your own ideas instead of acting like a troll?

Okay. What would you like to ask?

Sometime today, I got a life to lead, chacha......

 

[ProfJohn]

Give us your ideas on socialism and Obama and why mine or anyone else is wrong.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Give us your ideas on socialism and Obama and why mine or anyone else is wrong.

To offer such an opinion, I'd would like your definition of "socialism."

/other than it being a catch phrase from a "libertarian" like your self...

 

[ProfJohn]

You don't need mine to offer yours. Tell us what you think instead of just throwing out insults and barbs.

Every post you have made in this thread has been an insult or cheap shot. You have yet to offer one bit of honest opinion on Obama and what you think about him and socialism etc.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You don't need mine to offer yours. Tell us what you think instead of just throwing out insults and barbs.

Every post you have made in this thread has been an insult or cheap shot. You have yet to offer one bit of honest opinion on Obama and what you think about him and socialism etc.

I think Obama is one cool dude - and the best republican president yet..

/as for "socialism" - stuff that buzzword back into your pocket....

 

[ProfJohn]

So in other words you are not going to offer your legit opinion??

Why don't you just admit to trolling in this thread and get it over with.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So in other words you are not going to offer your legit opinion??

Why don't you just admit to trolling in this thread and get it over with.

I have. Don't like it...

well...

MOVE ON.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

Does this mean Fox News is now considered a legit source around here??

Seems that every time someone posts something from Fox they get attacked. Just wondering if we have changed our standards, or is Fox only usable when it agrees with the left wing POV??


BTW Obama is a European Socialist, call it Socialism light. In Euro-socialism we have a free market privately own economy, but the government taxes the hell out of it to provide social services.

In 'real' socialism we would have government run business in addition to the social services.

No, it means that even right wing propaganda outlets are unwilling to brand Obama a socialist because it's so ridiculous. That was the point of my OP.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascism, pronounced /'fæ??z?m/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology

Check

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.

Got that

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.

Yup.

Originally posted by: smashp
In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labour.

Huh...Didn't the government just buy GM? Doesn't the government have its hand in banks? Isn't it the plan of Obama to take over health care?

Originally posted by: smashp
I personally agree with the Whole "pejorative" aspect

Good for you. The simple fact remains that by definition Obamas economic policies have emulated fascism. Find me a better word and I will use it, but facism pretty much covers it.

 

[Rainsford]

I have new rule for my own personal use. If you use "socialist" as a way to generically attack a Democrat, you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. If you think "socialistic" is an actual word, you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Folks, the number of times conservatives totally misuse "socialist" as a loaded word to attack their political opposition is totally out of proportion compared to how often liberals attack people as "fascist" (in fact I'm pretty sure a conservative was using that attack in this thread). It's moronic and it speaks of a total lack of reasonable thought process. Using a loaded term as the core of your argument is basically admitting that that's all you have. And while I appreciate your honesty in broadcasting to the world that you're a complete tool who can't form even the most basic political argument without resorting to generic attacks...it doesn't really further the discussion a whole lot.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.

Check

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.

Check

Originally posted by: smashp
In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labour.

Check

Originally posted by: smashp
I personally agree with the Whole "pejorative" aspect

Good for you. The simple fact remains that by definition Obamas economic policies have emulated fascism. Find me a better word and I will use it, but facism pretty much covers it.

You want to back up any of your "checks" with actual facts?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascism, pronounced /'fæ??z?m/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology

Check

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.

Got that

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.

Yup.

Originally posted by: smashp
In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labour.

Huh...Didn't the government just buy GM? Doesn't the government have its hand in banks? Isn't it the plan of Obama to take over health care?

Originally posted by: smashp
I personally agree with the Whole "pejorative" aspect

Good for you. The simple fact remains that by definition Obamas economic policies have emulated fascism. Find me a better word and I will use it, but facism pretty much covers it.

Points

1. Your posting Disent on the Internet. Go to China for Some "Authoritaian" Single party Action
2. Forbid and Suppress Criticism? Maybe on the FM Dial but OMG u got to hear the Stuff on the AM side. Go to China again for some Hot Hot speech Regulatory Action
3. Didnt the Canadian government Buy a chunk of GM? Didnt the German Government buy Opel? So i guess that Blows the whole "Nationalistic" concept out of the Water. Oh Wait we must Have " International Fascism"
4. The Banks? They going pay the Guberment back so no body regulates the Golden showers they give out to their Top Executives. Gold toilets are needed for the Rich to shit upon. Regulators, mount up.

Again "Perjorative"

Look it up you

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Calling Obama a socialist is the result of ignorant people who have about three words in their political vocabulary using one of the few words they know.

the word "Liberal" lost its feel so they replaced it as the Buzz word of the day

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Even Fox News thinks you're crazy.

Seriously. Fox News. These lines of argument are considered so insipid, so stupid, and so creepy, that even Fox is calling people out on them. The least professional, most ultra right wing, most hackish news network in America has had enough. I hope that puts things in perspective.

Criticize Obama all you want, in many ways he deserves it and open criticism is something our country needs. If you're going to do it though, please criticize him in a sane way.

I thought they were wrong about everything now you want us to believe they are to be taken seriously? Which way do you want it?

Obama is a progressive that is not under debate. Did George Bush start the ball rolling? Yes. So Righties have to admit that. But obama now is making that look like kidsplay. He's Nationalized GM he is strong arming the banks, hes pushing to control your healthcare...

 

[daniel49]

waiting earnestly for Oberman to be objective now:laugh:

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascism, pronounced /'fæ??z?m/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology

Check

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.

Got that

Originally posted by: smashp
Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.

Yup.

Originally posted by: smashp
In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labour.

Huh...Didn't the government just buy GM? Doesn't the government have its hand in banks? Isn't it the plan of Obama to take over health care?

Originally posted by: smashp
I personally agree with the Whole "pejorative" aspect

Good for you. The simple fact remains that by definition Obamas economic policies have emulated fascism. Find me a better word and I will use it, but facism pretty much covers it.

I'm sure that if someone gave you another word you wouldn't be able to understand it, so whats the point?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: daniel49
waiting earnestly for Oberman to be objective now:laugh:

He's more along the lines of the other biased fuckheads like O'Riely, Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
I'm sure that if someone gave you another word you wouldn't be able to understand it, so whats the point?

Ah. So you can't refute my claim so you resort to personal attacks? Is that what we have come to?

 

[Budmantom]

Putin, Chavez and Castro can't all be wrong.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck can't all be wrong.

Wanna bet?