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Hey Directv Colbert fans, you may lose his show tomorrow

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Looks like Directv and Viacom are in a dispute over bundling fees and it could result in Viacom channels, including Comedy Network, Nick and MTV being taken off the air.

Directv is between a rock and a hard place - if they placate Viacom, our rates will go up and we'll bitch at Directv about it. If the channels get taken off the air, we'll bitch at Directv about it.

Personally, I say take them off the air.
 
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Screw them both I say.

Granted the only shows on the listed channels are daily show, colbert, and the south park / futurama episodes on comedy central but I hope they don't get rid of comedy central.

Sure there are no new episodes of colbert / daily show this week again but they better fix it by next week if there are new episodes as futurama alone is easy to get once online.
 
It will get settled. Directv isn't going to loose the most watched cable channel they offer. Which is believe it or not Nickelodeon.
 
Very likely the channels won't be dropped and if it is their will be a lot of political pressure as well consumer pressure to get them back on. Viacom channels are actually very popular, so it would really hurt DirecTV to not carry them.

We are already starting to see the same kind of issue with internet based content like Netflix, I really think their needs to be more regulations with these negotiations and perhaps even a requirement of binding arbitration if standard negotiations are not working.
 
I can't wait if they ever let us choose individual channels, directTV / dish and such, to pay for only but I fear how expensive they would charge for the decent ones or even if they could do that as it appears if you want one channel the owners forces the companies to pay for a ton of the crappy other ones they own.
 
FU to Viacom and Directv. Comedy Central/Workaholics went off the air half way into the episode. DTV killed the feed at around !0:45 Central Time. The warning messages said midnight. I have been lied to and betrayed by my TV content provider.
 
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I can't wait if they ever let us choose individual channels, directTV / dish and such, to pay for only but I fear how expensive they would charge for the decent ones or even if they could do that as it appears if you want one channel the owners forces the companies to pay for a ton of the crappy other ones they own.

Twice in the last few months, I've written columns about the bitter "carriage dispute" between the NFL Network and the nation's two largest cable companies, Comcast and Time Warner. This column, I swear, is not going to be the third in a series. As annoyed as I remain over the tactics of the National Football League, I've had my say.

It is, however, about cable television — and in particular, about a response I kept hearing in the aftermath of those articles. One of my central points was that if the National Football League gained carriage on digital cable for its overpriced network, all cable subscribers would be stuck paying an exorbitant amount for something only a tiny fraction actually want.

Many readers sympathetic to my stance wondered why I hadn't pursued that argument to its logical end. Don't just stop with the NFL Network, they wrote. Why should cable subscribers have to pay for any stations they don't want? Why does the cable industry force us to absorb the cost of the 75 or 100 stations that make up "extended basic" or "extended digital" — which most cable customers subscribe to — in order to see the much smaller universe of stations we truly want to watch?

"“What we really need is à la carte cable TV," wrote a reader named Neal D. Breitenbach. "That way I can buy what I want rather than what someone forces into my TV. I don't want to pay a dollar for the NFL Network and I don't want home shopping or Fox News either. Why can't I pay for what I want and nothing more?"

Another reader, Alan Kemp, wrote: "Comcast's claim of wanting its basic programming to focus on widely watched programming is nonsense. Over one-half of its basic channels are never watched in my house. I suspect most Comcast subscribers, like me, pay for many channels that they do not want and do not watch."

À la carte. It sounds so appealing, doesn't it? Instead of having to accept — and pay for — all the channels bundled by your cable company, you could pick from a menu and pay for only the ones you watch. As Andrew Zimbalist, an economics professor at Smith College, nicely put it in a paper he wrote on the subject: "Imagine walking into a department store to buy a pair of slacks and being told by the salesman that in order to buy the pair you like, you would also have to buy a particular shirt, a particular tie and two pairs of socks. Department stores do not attempt such bundling, because the consumer would not stand for it." Yet that's what the cable industry does.

À la carte is an idea that has been floating around Washington for years. One of its biggest champions is Gene Kimmelman, an executive at Consumers Union; he sees it as both a way "to create marketplace pressure to reduce prices" and to goose competition.

Another big supporter is the Parents Television Council, an organization dedicated to "protecting children and families from sex, violence and profanity in entertainment," according to its president, Tim Winter. Although Mr. Winter pays lip service to the "pro-consumer and pro-free market" aspects of à la carte, his real agenda is decency. À la carte, he told me this week, would "allow parents to make the choice of what they want to bring into their homes." In other words, bring Disney in — and keep MTV out.

And then there's the most important, and most dogged, supporter of à la carte in Washington. That would be Kevin J. Martin, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. As a regulator, Mr. Martin has zero authority to impose à la carte on the cable industry, but that has not stopped him from pushing for it at every opportunity, including promoting it before Congress.

Mr. Martin has long said that he favors à la carte because it's pro-consumer, but most people in the cable industry — none of whom will speak on the record, for fear of angering the FCC chairman — are convinced that he favors it for the same reason Mr. Winter does: it will allow parents to keep MTV and its ilk out of their homes. Mr. Martin, who is widely expected to run for office someday in his native North Carolina, has made no secret of the fact that he has "strong concerns" about the amount of sex, violence and profanity on television, as he put it in an interview this year with Broadcasting & Cable magazine.

Yet as appealing as the idea might seem at first glance, there is a reason that Congress has not taken the bait and passed an à la carte law. À la carte would be a consumer disaster. For those of you who yearn for it, this is a classic case of "be careful what you wish for."

For backers of à la carte, their big moment came in 2004, when Michael K. Powell, a champion of deregulation, was still FCC chairman. Asked by Congress to look into the feasibility of à la carte pricing Mr. Powell had the FCC's economists work up a study. To the surprise of many — including, I'm told, Mr. Powell himself — the study concluded that à la carte would have the exact opposite effect from what its backers claimed. Instead of reducing prices, à la carte would cause cable bills to rise for most people. And it would cause many channels to go out of business. Mr. Powell turned the study over the Congress, and that was that.

Except it wasn't. Soon afterward, Mr. Martin was named chairman of the commission — and one of his first acts was to "redo" the FCC study. Sure enough, the new study attacked the old one, and claimed that à la carte would, indeed, be good for consumers. That, in turn, led to a flurry of condemnations and yet more studies that picked apart Mr. Martin's study. The FCC chairman was accused of doctoring the numbers to get the result he wanted. The study fiasco so hurt Mr. Martin's credibility that when an à la carte bill came up in the Senate Commerce Committee last year — a bill Mr. Martin backed — it lost 20-to-2.

But wait: how can it be that à la carte will cause cable prices to rise? If you are subscribing to far fewer channels, doesn't it therefore follow that your bill will be lower? Strange as this may seem, the answer for most people is no.

True, if you decide to take only one or two channels, à la carte pricing will save you money. But how many people are going to limit themselves to one or two channels? In fact, even if you pick as few as a dozen channels, à la carte will almost surely cost more than your current "exorbitant" cable bill.

The reason is that unmoored from the cable bundle, individual networks would have to charge vastly more money per subscriber. Under the current system, in which cable companies like Comcast pay the networks for carriage — and then pass on the cost to their customers — networks get to charge on the basis of everyone who subscribes to cable television, whether they watch the network or not. The system has the effect of generating more money than a network "deserves" based purely on viewership. Networks also get to charge more for advertising than they would if they were not part of the bundle.

Take, for instance, ESPN, which charges the highest amount of any cable network: $3 per subscriber per month. (I'm borrowing this example from a recent research note by Craig Moffett, the Sanford C. Bernstein cable analyst.) Suppose in an à la carte world, 25 percent of the nation's cable subscribers take ESPN. If that were the case, the network would have to charge each subscriber not $3, but $12 a month to keep its revenue the same. (And don't forget: with its $1.1 billion annual bill to the National Football League alone, ESPN is hardly in a position to tolerate declining revenues.)

And that's one of the most popular channels on cable. What percentage of cable subscribers would take Discovery, or the Food Network, or Oxygen, or Hallmark — or the many, many more obscure networks that you can now find up and down your cable box? Five percent? Ten percent? According to Mr. Moffett's analysis, if every African-American family in the country subscribed to the Black Entertainment Network, it would still have to raise its fees by 588 percent. He adds, "If just half opted in — still a wildly optimistic scenario — the price would rise by 1,200 percent."

And that's just the effect on fees. Networks would have to charge less for advertising because they would lose the casual viewer — aka the channel flipper. Marketing budgets, on the other hand, would skyrocket, because the channels would have to pay huge sums to persuade people to subscribe. "Identifying everybody who likes the Food Network and getting them to pay for it is hard to do," says Christopher Yoo, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania who has studied cable bundling. One of the nice things about the current system is that once a station gets on extended basic, it can be discovered by viewers — and that wouldn't happen in an à la carte world.

Indeed, it is quite likely that many of the smaller channels would simply vanish because they wouldn't have enough subscribers — or couldn't charge enough to stay in business with the subscribers they did have. It is undoubtedly true, as Mr. Kemp wrote to me, that he never watches most of the cable channels that come into his house. That's true for most people. But there are also probably one or two small networks he does watch from time to time.

We all have our particular interests and tastes, and under its current business model, cable does a remarkable job of satisfying those interests. Diversity of programming is one of the real benefits that cable has over the old over-the-air broadcasting system. When we pay for the cable bundle we are, in effect, subsidizing those channels for everybody — including ourselves.

The cable industry is far from perfect, of course. Its customer service leaves much to be desired. Its relentless price increases are galling. Because of its monopoly roots, it can still act like a monopolist at times.

But the bundle of networks cable delivers into your home? That's not one of the problems with the cable industry. That's one of the blessings.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/b...tml?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=media&pagewanted=all
 
Like all DirecTV subscribers, I see the various Viacom channels listed that may be in jeopardy. So far, there's not a single channel listed that I watch any content on a regular basis.
Comedy Channel...nope.
Spike TV...almost never
Nickelodeon...nope

And so on down the line.

I agree that DirecTV is in a tought spot...no matter how it ends up, subscribers will be pissed...and may even set a precedent for other content providers to hold the various cable/satellite companies hostage for more money.

Fuck em...let DirecTV drop them if they can't come to an agreement that is in everyone's best interest. I suspect that losing 30 million potential viewers will affect Viacom's bottom line (and stock price) more than it will DirecTV.
 
Bundling is much cheaper. Be careful what you wish for really. $100 for 100 channels or $80 for the 10 channels you want, something like that.

All the fighting the companies are doing among themselves would just be happening between you and comedy central etc. as they rise the rates of popular shows. There would be two pots at the super bowl parties, one to pay for the showing and the other for the stupid betting game lol.

There would be less new content if you can't peruse channels. If you really only watch 10 channels the content would get pretty stagnant because you won't really know if another network turned a new leaf and started something good. They wouldn't have much incentive to re-invent a failing channel with this model.
 
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so much greed from the cable networks... for what cable providers do, they barely get a sliver of the pie. and they have already pushed rates decades ahead of what they should be. but the networks just keep demanding more.

plus, theres so much content on cable now that you could never watch it all even if you dvr'd everything, but you still pay for all of it.
 
I hate these stupid disputes happening all the time. The one thing I hate the most is when the channel producer(?), i.e. Viacom, plasters that messaging all over their shows. It's childish finger pointing.

I read this morning on CNN:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/11/directv-customers-lose-mtv-nick-and-other-viacom-nets/?hpt=hp_t2

From Viacom:

“We proposed a fair deal that amounted to an increase of only a couple pennies per day, per subscriber, and we remained willing to negotiate that deal right up to this evening’s deadline.”

They sound like one of those commercials that try to get you to give money to starving kids in Africa or malnourished pets. It's like they're crossing their fingers that nobody does the math. DirecTV has something like 20 million viewers...
 
I hate these stupid disputes happening all the time. The one thing I hate the most is when the channel producer(?), i.e. Viacom, plasters that messaging all over their shows. It's childish finger pointing.

I read this morning on CNN:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/11/directv-customers-lose-mtv-nick-and-other-viacom-nets/?hpt=hp_t2

From Viacom:



They sound like one of those commercials that try to get you to give money to starving kids in Africa or malnourished pets. It's like they're crossing their fingers that nobody does the math. DirecTV has something like 20 million viewers...

$.02 per customer per day equates to a mere $146,000,000. Just pennies. 🙄
 
I hate these stupid disputes happening all the time. The one thing I hate the most is when the channel producer(?), i.e. Viacom, plasters that messaging all over their shows. It's childish finger pointing.

I read this morning on CNN:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/11/directv-customers-lose-mtv-nick-and-other-viacom-nets/?hpt=hp_t2

From Viacom:



They sound like one of those commercials that try to get you to give money to starving kids in Africa or malnourished pets. It's like they're crossing their fingers that nobody does the math. DirecTV has something like 20 million viewers...

Sounds like the marketing cities use when they try to get a new bond passed. "Oh, your property taxes will only go up a couple bucks a month."
 
Looks like Directv and Viacom are in a dispute over bundling fees and it could result in Viacom channels, including Comedy Network, Nick and MTV being taken off the air.

Directv is between a rock and a hard place - if they placate Viacom, our rates will go up and we'll bitch at Directv about it. If the channels get taken off the air, we'll bitch at Directv about it.

Personally, I say take them off the air.

This. Viacom keeps doing this to different providers and it will never end until one of the big players stands-up to them. If Viacom has to go even 1 week with severely-reduced ad revenue, they'll come crawling back.
 
$.02 per customer per day equates to a mere $146,000,000. Just pennies. 🙄

On top of that, other media conglomerates keep raising their rates too. In addition to per-subscriber charges, they also force providers to bundle new channels. It's been out of control for a long time and it's why every TV service provider has steadily-increasing rates.
 
oh no i've dropped my cable/satellite service, but for some mysterious reason i've upgraded my internet connection speed.
 
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