Hey atheists, if God doesn't exist... (update: lots of atheists getting pwnt itt)

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Funny, I thought that was my argument.

Where did you ever make that argument?

Knowledge demands observable evidence, you can't assume knowledge nor can you believe knowledge, it has to come from the natural world for anyone to know about it.

The rest is at the very best a claim without evidence and most certainly without knowledge.
 

zinfamous

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hey atheists, if God doesn't exist, then how did PhineasJWhoopee get so smart?

pwnt!

:thumbsup:
 

Cerpin Taxt

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True, natural laws are not rules at all, rules can be decided upon, natural laws are explicit, you can't violate them no matter how hard you try. (if you could, it would cease to be a law)
My point really is that "natural laws" are human abstractions of the universe's behavior. They are not writ into the fabric of reality, and in fact they may be "violated" when we observe some new behavior which is not in accordance with our current models. The double-slit experiment, for example, "violated" Newtonian physical laws, and spurred the formulation of quantum mechanics. This didn't exactly invalidate Newtonian physics, but rather showed us the limits of its descriptiveness.

The universe doesn't obey laws, per se. It behaves with certain regularities which we abstract to form generalized statements to describe those regularities.
 
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My point really is that "natural laws" are human abstractions of the universe's behavior. They are not writ into the fabric of reality, and in fact they may be "violated" when we observe some new behavior which is not in accordance with our current models. The double-slit experiment, for example, "violated" Newtonian physical laws, and spurred the formulation of quantum mechanics. This didn't exactly invalidate Newtonian physics, but rather showed us the limits of its descriptiveness.

The universe doesn't obey laws, per se. It behaves with certain regularities which we abstract to form generalized statements to describe those regularities.

This very much depends on how you view it, IF you want to go into the finer parts of QP then i really can't help you more than saying that reality as we percieve it might not be real at all, at this point all of science fails because if true, all observable evidence is false all measurable evidence is false too.

In the reality we exist in, we cannot break these natural laws, we really really cannot, not with physical, biological nor chemical tests, so this QP experiment doesn't really apply to anything more than that there are other dimensions, which is obvious anyway.

The universe is indeed restricted by laws, we may not know exactly how these laws can work when bending them through expansion but that doesn't mean they are not in place, they most certainly are, if they were not, none of this would work, nothing of the universe would be as it is today if those restrictions were not in place.

I think you need to study some Krauss to get a hold of what you are talking about.
 
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Malak

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Where did you ever make that argument?

On multiple occasions. Throughout history. In this forum, in conversation, public speeches, journal entries, etc.

In case no one else noticed, every one of you has been successfully ninja trolled.
 
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On multiple occasions. Throughout history. In this forum, in conversation, public speeches, journal entries, etc.

In case no one else noticed, every one of you has been successfully ninja trolled.

I have not seen it once and i'd like you to present ONE post you have ever made with that argument.

It never happened except in your mind.

Are you sure you are not as insane as you portray yourself to be?