Hey, Al-Qaida-BRING IT ON!

[compuwiz1]

Be careful what you post here. Al-Qaida might DOS bomb the forums. 😉

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I tell you what, find a post of his that says that and I'll take back what I said. Until then you are just bleating BS.

Originally posted by: jrenz
AQ isn't a threat, because they haven't attacked us in 6 years, and all the extra security measures we've undertaken are not needed.

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Originally posted by: Techs
Maybe Al-Qaida wasn't the threat we were led to believe?
Unless they can get to a nuke or a serious biological or chemica weapon, I'd say we completely over-reacted to the "terror, terror, terror" threats.

Originally posted by: jrenz
When they do, it's because Bush hasn't done enough to protect us, and the War on Islamic Terrorists is a failure.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=terror

Originally posted by: Techs
And if, God forbid, there is another attack it would actually prove the points I have been making in this forum for years. That is that Bush has done NOTHING about border security, food security, chemical plant security, etc and that 99 percent of what he should have done he hasn't.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: techs
So as almost 6 years have past since 9-11 the big, bad Al-Qaida hasn't done nothing in the U.S.
In fact you are probably more likely to be killed by Chinese products than by Al-Qaida. The attacks in Britain support this.

Maybe Al-Qaida wasn't the threat we were led to believe?
Unless they can get to a nuke or a serious biological or chemica weapon, I'd say we completely over-reacted to the "terror, terror, terror" threats.

In other words, "Thanks George W Bush, for keeping us safe. I guess you were right after all!"

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse74
did you ever stop to think that there are men and women out here making sure that AQ doesnt hit you or your precious coffee shops?

oh ya...

Israel is perhaps the best in the world at doing precisely that--and Israel has had far more time to learn how to do it--and their coffee shops get hit on a regular basis. And so do buses and all kinds of other targets. And Israel has done a far better job locking down their infrastructure than we have and spend far more per capita on those defenses.

Red Dawn has it precisely right--with that kind of a US defense, we need mind readers. Failing mind readers, we have no defense at all. And all Palehorse74, Guiliani, Cheney and others prove is that they have succeeded in in ignoring reality and that they have minds not worth paying any heed to. In short, you have fooled only yourself.

Uhh, that's not what I meant. I'm sure we have prevented a good many attacks and we shouldn't let our guard down, especially since this Adminstration has done a damn fine job of recruiting for Al Qaeda because of it's (this Administrations) FUBAR'd Foriegn Policy. More hate us now than did before the Dub invaded and occupied Iraq. Because of this disasterous Foriegn Policy it would be insane to believe that Al Qaeda and it's many offshoots aren't looking to strike us hard at home.

To play devil's advocate... if we've made so many people hate the US... why do we constantly hear about terrorists attacking every country except the US? Bombings in south Asia, Britain, Europe, etc.,... are all these attacks because of a hatred for the US?

That's a vain way of looking at the world.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse74
did you ever stop to think that there are men and women out here making sure that AQ doesnt hit you or your precious coffee shops?

oh ya...

Israel is perhaps the best in the world at doing precisely that--and Israel has had far more time to learn how to do it--and their coffee shops get hit on a regular basis. And so do buses and all kinds of other targets. And Israel has done a far better job locking down their infrastructure than we have and spend far more per capita on those defenses.

Red Dawn has it precisely right--with that kind of a US defense, we need mind readers. Failing mind readers, we have no defense at all. And all Palehorse74, Guiliani, Cheney and others prove is that they have succeeded in in ignoring reality and that they have minds not worth paying any heed to. In short, you have fooled only yourself.

Uhh, that's not what I meant. I'm sure we have prevented a good many attacks and we shouldn't let our guard down, especially since this Adminstration has done a damn fine job of recruiting for Al Qaeda because of it's (this Administrations) FUBAR'd Foriegn Policy. More hate us now than did before the Dub invaded and occupied Iraq. Because of this disasterous Foriegn Policy it would be insane to believe that Al Qaeda and it's many offshoots aren't looking to strike us hard at home.

To play devil's advocate... if we've made so many people hate the US... why do we constantly hear about terrorists attacking every country except the US? Bombings in south Asia, Britain, Europe, etc.,... are all these attacks because of a hatred for the US?

That's a vain way of looking at the world.

Are you going to expound upon your vague, non-answer?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse74
did you ever stop to think that there are men and women out here making sure that AQ doesnt hit you or your precious coffee shops?

oh ya...

Israel is perhaps the best in the world at doing precisely that--and Israel has had far more time to learn how to do it--and their coffee shops get hit on a regular basis. And so do buses and all kinds of other targets. And Israel has done a far better job locking down their infrastructure than we have and spend far more per capita on those defenses.

Red Dawn has it precisely right--with that kind of a US defense, we need mind readers. Failing mind readers, we have no defense at all. And all Palehorse74, Guiliani, Cheney and others prove is that they have succeeded in in ignoring reality and that they have minds not worth paying any heed to. In short, you have fooled only yourself.

Uhh, that's not what I meant. I'm sure we have prevented a good many attacks and we shouldn't let our guard down, especially since this Adminstration has done a damn fine job of recruiting for Al Qaeda because of it's (this Administrations) FUBAR'd Foriegn Policy. More hate us now than did before the Dub invaded and occupied Iraq. Because of this disasterous Foriegn Policy it would be insane to believe that Al Qaeda and it's many offshoots aren't looking to strike us hard at home.

To play devil's advocate... if we've made so many people hate the US... why do we constantly hear about terrorists attacking every country except the US? Bombings in south Asia, Britain, Europe, etc.,... are all these attacks because of a hatred for the US?

That's a vain way of looking at the world.

Are you going to expound upon your vague, non-answer?

First off, Al Qaeda is not a central organization. It is a federal system that's extremely loose. Local outfits join and leave AQ at their choosing. Second of all, this whole War on Terror garbage has got you thinking that anything relating to terrorism must have America in the middle of it. I know this is hard for you to believe but people have grievences that are local and may not involve America. In other words, America isn't the only reason why terrorists exist. They've existed before 9/11 and they will continue to exist after the WoT has been deemed irrevelant because it itself is too broadbased and vague, as you asserted my post to be.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
al-Qaeda is a threat, but a relatively minor one. They've been trumped up beyond belief, so GWB and his goons and pick our pockets while we huddle under the blankets at night in fear.

Well they were considered a relatively minor threat by some before 9/11 and look what happened.

3,000 people dying is like a speed bump viewed from the moon. Even the economic damage of the attack wasn't as bad as the damage caused by our $1 trillion response.

I'll remember this quote next time you complain about the number of dead in Iraq.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Narmer

First off, Al Qaeda is not a central organization. It is a federal system that's extremely loose. Local outfits join and leave AQ at their choosing.

Thank you, professor.

Second of all, this whole War on Terror garbage has got you thinking that anything relating to terrorism must have America in the middle of it. I know this is hard for you to believe but people have grievences that are local and may not involve America. In other words, America isn't the only reason why terrorists exist.

Uhm... that's exactly what I was trying to make a point of...

this Adminstration has done a damn fine job of recruiting for Al Qaeda because of it's (this Administrations) FUBAR'd Foriegn Policy. More hate us now than did before the Dub invaded and occupied Iraq.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: techs
So as almost 6 years have past since 9-11 the big, bad Al-Qaida hasn't done nothing in the U.S.
In fact you are probably more likely to be killed by Chinese products than by Al-Qaida. The attacks in Britain support this.

Maybe Al-Qaida wasn't the threat we were led to believe?
Unless they can get to a nuke or a serious biological or chemica weapon, I'd say we completely over-reacted to the "terror, terror, terror" threats.

In other words, "Thanks George W Bush, for keeping us safe. I guess you were right after all!"

You say that now but sadly when the next attack occurs of course you will blaming the Democrats.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
3,000 people dying is like a speed bump viewed from the moon. Even the economic damage of the attack wasn't as bad as the damage caused by our $1 trillion response.

I'll remember this quote next time you complain about the number of dead in Iraq.

Because the difference between 3,000 and 67,000 is only 22-fold?

 

[dmens]

HAHAHA, nice math buddy. That's 2200%, not 22000%.

Quick edit there. LOL.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: jrenz
To play devil's advocate... if we've made so many people hate the US... why do we constantly hear about terrorists attacking every country except the US? Bombings in south Asia, Britain, Europe, etc.,... are all these attacks because of a hatred for the US?

1 - We have large Muslim populations in Europe, more than the US has, so there are mor epotential radicals among them.

2 - They are not fighting specifically against the US, they are fighting for an Islamic state which covers the whole world, and is govorned by sharia law. The US is a long way from existing Islamic states and is probably quite low down on the big list of places to conquer. That doesn't mean the ydon't hate you though - they really really do - hence 9/11.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Narmer

First off, Al Qaeda is not a central organization. It is a federal system that's extremely loose. Local outfits join and leave AQ at their choosing.

Thank you, professor.

Second of all, this whole War on Terror garbage has got you thinking that anything relating to terrorism must have America in the middle of it. I know this is hard for you to believe but people have grievences that are local and may not involve America. In other words, America isn't the only reason why terrorists exist.

Uhm... that's exactly what I was trying to make a point of...

this Adminstration has done a damn fine job of recruiting for Al Qaeda because of it's (this Administrations) FUBAR'd Foriegn Policy. More hate us now than did before the Dub invaded and occupied Iraq.

Understood.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: dmens
HAHAHA, nice math buddy. That's 2200%, not 22000%.

Quick edit there. LOL.

What?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: dmens
HAHAHA, nice math buddy. That's 2200%, not 22000%.

Quick edit there. LOL.

What?

Your initial post said it is a 22,000% increase, before you edited it. 😉

 

[Braznor]

Ha Ha Ha,

People need to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There is no doubt in my mind that the US could bring the kind of terror around the wold that is needed to defeat terrorism, the only question then is if the US should fight itself?

There is no question why the attacks have hit the Spain, England and the US, we all know why, well unless we do the Bushie trick and just try to play ignorant.

They don't like us meddling in their business, the resolution to so far has been more of the same, it doesn't work, sometimes i believe that Georgie is just taking the piss, just kidding with his BS, but there are people who actually believe in it, it always surprises the hell out of me, you get attacked for meddling in business that is none of yours and what do you do, meddle a shitload more and think that will help?

Only a moron actually believes that anything the US has done in the ME EVER has actually helped at all.

And only an idiot would claim that the Iraq war was a good idea.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
There is no doubt in my mind that the US could bring the kind of terror around the wold that is needed to defeat terrorism, the only question then is if the US should fight itself?

There is no question why the attacks have hit the Spain, England and the US, we all know why, well unless we do the Bushie trick and just try to play ignorant.

They don't like us meddling in their business,

"Meddling in their business" includes living a lifestyle which doesn't focus on Islam. Only an idiot would claim that not to be true.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
There is no doubt in my mind that the US could bring the kind of terror around the wold that is needed to defeat terrorism, the only question then is if the US should fight itself?

There is no question why the attacks have hit the Spain, England and the US, we all know why, well unless we do the Bushie trick and just try to play ignorant.

They don't like us meddling in their business,

"Meddling in their business" includes living a lifestyle which doesn't focus on Islam. Only an idiot would claim that not to be true.

No, it means occupying muslim nations like SA and those Persian Gulf nations. It has nothing to do with lifestyle and everything to do with politics. They don't hate us for our freedoms:laugh:

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Narmer
They don't hate us for our freedoms:laugh:

Are you denying that Muslim fanatics wish to subject the world to their religion and law?

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Narmer
They don't hate us for our freedoms:laugh:

Are you denying that Muslim fanatics wish to subject the world to their religion and law?

The number of fanatics who seriously believe they can subjugate the entire world is very small. Mostly, they want foreign disengagement from the Middle East and the destruction of Israel.

We're not living in some comic book world.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: techs
So as almost 6 years have past since 9-11 the big, bad Al-Qaida hasn't done nothing in the U.S.
In fact you are probably more likely to be killed by Chinese products than by Al-Qaida. The attacks in Britain support this.

Maybe Al-Qaida wasn't the threat we were led to believe?
Unless they can get to a nuke or a serious biological or chemica weapon, I'd say we completely over-reacted to the "terror, terror, terror" threats.

Is that why you argue for nuclear proliferation across the entire Middle East, so that they can fulfill such goals?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Termagant
The number of fanatics who seriously believe they can subjugate the entire world is very small. Mostly, they want foreign disengagement from the Middle East and the destruction of Israel.

We're not living in some comic book world.

Maybe not many believe they can subjugate the world, but a hell of a lot more want to. Also, isn't the ultimate victory of muslims over all infidels a revered tradition in islam?

If many muslims believe in the destruction of Israel, then they do live in a comic book world.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
al-Qaeda is a threat, but a relatively minor one. They've been trumped up beyond belief, so GWB and his goons and pick our pockets while we huddle under the blankets at night in fear.

Well they were considered a relatively minor threat by some before 9/11 and look what happened.

Yea, we illegal.....ur.....invaded Iraq and now they are approximatley 4 to 8 times the size that they were then. But of course, they are all in Iraq (per the spin doctors) and will stay there as long as we're fighting there. Never a chance that any of them would venture out of Iraq as long as we're there, or so many have said here on this very forum.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
al-Qaeda is a threat, but a relatively minor one. They've been trumped up beyond belief, so GWB and his goons and pick our pockets while we huddle under the blankets at night in fear.

Well they were considered a relatively minor threat by some before 9/11 and look what happened.

Yea, we illegal.....ur.....invaded Iraq and now they are approximatley 4 to 8 times the size that they were then. But of course, they are all in Iraq (per the spin doctors) and will stay there as long as we're fighting there. Never a chance that any of them would venture out of Iraq as long as we're there, or so many have said here on this very forum.

You'll get no argument from me.