[Hexus]Nvidia pulls away from AMD in graphics card market share

[Final8ty]

It is not alone about performance/price. The Asus GTX970 uses 100W less power which makes the card a much better fit for smaller cases. Temperatures and sound level is lower, too.
And to get the same performance they needed to overclock the 290. And then this card uses 200W more energy...

And what you save with the lower price will get eaten over time through the higher energy costs.

And its been calculated many times that it will take years and years in energy costs which by that time people would of sold the cards and moved on maybe twice by then.

 

[ocre]

You call my post made up and provided no rebuttal to my arguments at all, instead of making up facts yourself such as me boycotting NV. I haven't boycotted NV at all for life, I simply chose to spend $0 with AMD. You call that bias, I call that financial savvy. 4890, 6950, GTX470s, many 7970s, all paid for by mining, with thousands of dollars left over to buy anything I want.

Free GPU upgrades from 2008 + 5 figures from mining vs. Spending $ on every NV upgrade and $0. Ya, I call that being smarter than the average gamer. If I wanted to I could now buy every flagship NV gen for 30 years and not spend any of my actual $. Can an Nv user do that? There are thousands of miners who made far more than me, far more.

1) Bumpgate is a historical fact. So dreadful that it affects original PS3. Go look up YouTube on RSX GPU solder fix and it's clearly explained that cheap NV solder caused failures by people who understand what causes the failure. On Apple forums there is a thread about failed 2011 MacBook Pro laptops with AMD GPUs but there is no major failure associated with other 2011 AMD laptops, suggesting it was poor Apple chassis design and cooling system. However, in contrast, Bumpgate affected every GPU made during those NV geneations because the flawed solder is in all of them. Yet now you can read on Apple forums of some users never wanting to buy an AMD powered Apple and these same people are oblivious to Bumpgate.

"The defective parts appear to consist of the entire line-up of Nvidia parts on 65nm and 55nm processes, no exceptions. The question is not whether or not these parts are defective, it is simply the failure rates of each line, with field reports on specific parts hitting up to 40% early life failures. This is obviously not acceptable."
https://semiaccurate.com/2010/07/11/why-nvidias-chips-are-defective/

It doesn't mean that all GF8 will fail in 5 years but all are defective and can fail any time. Those people you mentioned with Athlon X2 and so on running GF8 are obviously not heavy modern gamers. Witg light gaming such cards would last longer. Doesn't mean that Bumpgate didn't affect thousands of failed cards. When was the last time so many AMD/ATI cards failed? Never.

2) I also said with NV you often get crippled with VRAM cards. All facts:

GTX 570-580 1.28-1.5GB of VRAM vs. HD6950-6970 2GB, with 3GB 570/580 costing $100 more!
GTX670/680 2GB vs. 7950/7970 3GB, with 670-680 4GB costing $100 more!
GTX780 3GB/780Ti vs. 290/290X with 4GB.

This wouldn't be a problem if Nv cards cost less, but no they cost substantially more in all of those cases and each of those NV cards has ran into VRAM bottlenecks, essentially making high rez gaming on 500 and 600 series worthless with AA.

3) You also said I made up facts about NV rip-off prices:

$650 280 and $400 260, embarrassed by a $300 4870.
$650 780 and $1000 Titan, embarrassed by a $400 290.
$450 770 4GB vs. 300 280X. Ridiculous.

The 970 is crazy hyped but it barely undercut a 290 by $70. In historical terms to how AMD undercut NV, 970 is frankly a joke. 680 only undercut 7970 by $50 for 2.5 months and then the faster 7970Ghz undercut 680 4GB by $100. 7970Ghz still cost less than the now worthless 680 2GB.

These prices were typical for months:

- 770 4GB SLI was $200-300 more expensive than 280X CF.
- 6950s unlocked for $450-500 vs. $650-700 for 570 SLI or $1000 for 580 SLI.
- 7970Ghz SLI for $600-800 vs. 680 2-4GB for $800-1100. To make matters worse, an overclocked 7950 for $280 was as fast as a $450-550 max overclocked 680 2GB-4GB. I remember this clearly as OCN users with 7950s were posting benchmarks and going crazy over the value proposition.
- Of course 290s and 290Xs now massively undercutting 970/980SLI, with 290X CF actually providing a smoother high rez gaming experience.

There are plenty more examples for lower end and mid-range cards. Every generation with NV you are forced to spend $100-300 more. Repeat every 2 years and in 10 years it's a lot of $ that could have been spent on games.

You view my posts as critical of NV, but it's only common sense since I never advocate wasting $ for brand name. We have deals of after-market 290 going for $200-250, which means a gamer can put together a 290 CF setup for $400-500 vs. $600-700 for 970 SLI. There are countless other things to talk about like GeForce 5's horrible trilinear texture filtering IQ, non-existent DX9 performance and NV's inferior AA all the way up to GeForce 7 as well as GeForce 7's hopelessness in DX9-10 shader intensive titles. All of those forgiven and forgotten by NV users.

What about the constant focus on reference AMD after-market cards and ignorance of cool and quiet after-market versions? It is all marketing and perception. To reiterate, I never said to boycott NV but ignoring Bitcoin as most NV users did was dumb. They object to the idea of buying AMD so much that they missed on thousands of profits that they could have now used for NV cards. How often do you see NV cheerleaders hoping AMD stomps NV and forces major price drops on NV, so that they could purchase their next NV card for less?

For me I want the next NV or AMD card to smoke the last AMD or Nv card so more performance becomes more affordable regardless of the brand.

no rebuttal?

here are hundreds of 8800gt's still running and for sale,
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...RC0.H0.Xused+8800gt&_nkw=used+8800gt&_sacat=0


8600gt

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...RC0.H0.Xused+8600gt&_nkw=used+8600gt&_sacat=0

8800gts
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...0.H0.Xused+8800gtx&_nkw=used+8800gtx&_sacat=0

according to you they are all dead,
The reality is there are more people currently using 8800gt's on steam than the gtx980, gtx 770m, GTX 470, the incredibly popular HD5870, HD4870, and the HD6970. I am sorry but there are more than a few 8800gts that lasted more than 5yrs. There are countless.

And you are seriously bringing up Ps3 failures when nearly all of the original xbox 360 failed one after another. The Red rings of death, M$ had a massive issue that cost them dearly. Oh, and in case you forgot, it was had an AMD GPU.

but lets move on

-your opinion on prices have little relevance in the real world. Currently 7 out of 10 people who buy GPUs just dont agree with you.

-Not everyone has to get the GPUs "for free", seems that most people arent interested in this route at all

-People like to spend money on things they like to buy.

-What works for you doesnt make it best for everyone

-just because the majority of people dont share your mindset, you dont have to be angry with them and call them dumb
*actually, many people who buy nvidia GPUs are well educated

-People should be free to buy whatever they want and not be criticized for it.
* Paradox: If you are so happy with your choices, why do you spend so much time criticizing others?

-There are plenty of reasons to not mine bitcoins, other than being dumb. If you dont get it, it is okay.

And to be real with ya, I was looking to buy i 290x to pair with my recently purchased x5670. It wouldve been my first AMD GPU since the HD5850. But honestly, these kind of attitudes leave a nasty taste in my mouth.

:thumbsdown:

Oh and lastly, lets move on before we get this thread locked.

Sorry to for taking the bait, i will respond no more on this

 

[Silverforce11]

GTX 970 is $60 more expensive.

From the same article, the $280 760 is getting obliterated for the same price.

Yet NV still sell them just fine to loyal NV users.

One would also assume the 970 is ONLY ~$60 more expensive than the 960, why would people even buy the 960??

The point that this marketshare summary points out, ~60% of users out there are loyal to NV and will buy it regardless. This is why NV has the balls to release Titan at $1K and soon later drop the 780 for a fraction of that then the 780ti. This is also why they released Titan Z at the absurd $2,500 mark.. which they later had to price drop because their marketing department overestimated loyalty and underestimated the R295X2.

So when we talk about metrics, it's irrelevant for a lot of users out there. They buy NV, period.

All of you gamers out there who love NV, you are doing yourself a disservice by bashing AMD at every opportunity. If AMD fails to compete, your beloved NV will pwn your wallet hard.

 

[rtsurfer]

It is not alone about performance/price. The Asus GTX970 uses 100W less power which makes the card a much better fit for smaller cases. Temperatures and sound level is lower, too.
And to get the same performance they needed to overclock the 290. And then this card uses 200W more energy...

And what you save with the lower price will get eaten over time through the higher energy costs.

Such hogwash.


http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Colorful/iGame_GTX_970/images/perfrel_1920.gif


There is an 10% performance delta between a reference 970 & a reference 290 at 1080P.


http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Colorful/iGame_GTX_970/images/perfrel_1920.gif

You were right about the 100w power difference @ stock.
But you are claiming that we are going to need 100W more power than a stock 290 (or 38% more than the stock power consumption) to only get an 10% performance increase. Seem legit.

Source :- http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/Colorful/iGame_GTX_970/25.html

 

[TeleBee]

From the same article, the $280 760 is getting obliterated for the same price.

So you take most expensive GTX 760 and compare with cheapest R9 290? Cheapest GTX 760 is $170.

One would also assume the 970 is ONLY ~$60 more expensive than the 960, why would people even buy the 960??

Even if AMD would gone nobody would do that. Clearly you don't understand how monopoly is working.

Here's Carlos Slim's Telmex monopoly prices. http://www.telmex.com/web/hogar/conexion-internet

The point that this marketshare summary points out, ~60% of users out there are loyal to NV and will buy it regardless. This is why NV has the balls to release Titan at $1K and soon later drop the 780 for a fraction of that then the 780ti. This is also why they released Titan Z at the absurd $2,500 mark.. which they later had to price drop because their marketing department overestimated loyalty and underestimated the R295X2.

And how it is someone else problem except AMD?

How it is Nvidia/Intel problem because "switch hitters" abandoned AMD after golden days over and never comeback?

All of you gamers out there who love NV, you are doing yourself a disservice by bashing AMD at every opportunity. If AMD fails to compete, your beloved NV will pwn your wallet hard.

You will drown in tears grieving AMD before Nvidia will rise prices.

 

[Dribble]

All of you gamers out there who love NV, you are doing yourself a disservice by bashing AMD at every opportunity. If AMD fails to compete, your beloved NV will pwn your wallet hard.

There's a weird thing going on here where people seem to consider what's said on this forum actually makes a difference to real sales? Like saying nice things about AMD will suddenly boost sales by 5%. In the real world AMD live and die by their products, if the hardware, drivers, features, marketing, if they aren't good enough they die. What anyone says here makes 0 difference. Hence we don't need to sugar coat all things AMD because this forum is mythically directly attached 1 million buyers wallets who might just buy an AMD card if we are nice enough about them. We can just say it like it is and have an honest discussion because outside of the few hundred that read these threads no one else gives a ****.

 

[Silverforce11]

And how it is someone else problem except AMD?

How it is Nvidia/Intel problem because "switch hitters" abandoned AMD after golden days over and never comeback?

You will drown in tears grieving AMD before Nvidia will rise prices.

Never did I say it was a problem for NV or Intel, are you being trollish deliberately with your new account by throwing words into other people's mouth?

NV already raised prices long ago when AMD could not compete and were forced into major price drops when AMD did compete. These are companies out to maximize their profits and will do so given the opportunity. Seems you have no memory of such short histories.

 

[Silverforce11]

There's a weird thing going on here where people seem to consider what's said on this forum actually makes a difference to real sales?

You bet your bacon it does. This is why many companies employ dedicated forum supporters.

AT is one of the biggest tech sites. Most of the traffic to AT actually goes to the forum, just to give you an idea about how influential it is. Many readers come here seeking hardware advice and many yet lurk.

But tech discussions such as this isn't limited to this site alone, it goes on at other major sites with the same to & fro.

 

[SirPauly]

There's no way you actually believe this.

I have the utmost respect for AMD's choice to gamers over-all and their engineering talents. They are world class and don't underestimate them! I don't cry, blame, point fingers at other posters over-all, have too much respect for AMD and their fierce competition over-all.

 

[tential]

no rebuttal?

here are hundreds of 8800gt's still running and for sale,
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...RC0.H0.Xused+8800gt&_nkw=used+8800gt&_sacat=0


8600gt

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...RC0.H0.Xused+8600gt&_nkw=used+8600gt&_sacat=0

8800gts
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...0.H0.Xused+8800gtx&_nkw=used+8800gtx&_sacat=0

according to you they are all dead,
The reality is there are more people currently using 8800gt's on steam than the gtx980, gtx 770m, GTX 470, the incredibly popular HD5870, HD4870, and the HD6970. I am sorry but there are more than a few 8800gts that lasted more than 5yrs. There are countless.

And you are seriously bringing up Ps3 failures when nearly all of the original xbox 360 failed one after another. The Red rings of death, M$ had a massive issue that cost them dearly. Oh, and in case you forgot, it was had an AMD GPU.

but lets move on

-your opinion on prices have little relevance in the real world. Currently 7 out of 10 people who buy GPUs just dont agree with you.

-Not everyone has to get the GPUs "for free", seems that most people arent interested in this route at all

-People like to spend money on things they like to buy.

-What works for you doesnt make it best for everyone

-just because the majority of people dont share your mindset, you dont have to be angry with them and call them dumb
*actually, many people who buy nvidia GPUs are well educated

-People should be free to buy whatever they want and not be criticized for it.
* Paradox: If you are so happy with your choices, why do you spend so much time criticizing others?

-There are plenty of reasons to not mine bitcoins, other than being dumb. If you dont get it, it is okay.

And to be real with ya, I was looking to buy i 290x to pair with my recently purchased x5670. It wouldve been my first AMD GPU since the HD5850. But honestly, these kind of attitudes leave a nasty taste in my mouth.

:thumbsdown:

Oh and lastly, lets move on before we get this thread locked.

Sorry to for taking the bait, i will respond no more on this

@ first bolded comment
I expect far better from you. Just because a product has an issue doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE ONE failed...
And this issue effected mobile users more than desktop due to the heat constraints many mobile users reported their laptops failing just out of warranty.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective
You can read up on it there if you'd like.

@second bolded comment
Here I was thinking you were a mature level headed poster.
I had a vastly different opinion of you before seeing how you were able to respond to RussianSensation's posts who is an extremely levelheaded and helpful poster who makes a complete post with facts/sources rather than attacks.

 

[Silverforce11]

I have the utmost respect for AMD's choice to gamers over-all and their engineering talents. They are world class and don't underestimate them! I don't cry, blame, point fingers at other posters over-all, have too much respect for AMD and their fierce competition over-all.

As I said when the 970 launched, NV is retaliating due to AMD's strong competition with the R290/X with great prices on that model. But NV's blow with Maxwell might be fatal.

AMD definitely need a miracle with GCN 2, this much is certain. Without beating NV on efficiency, there's no way they will compete in notebooks. Without matching or beating NV on performance on desktop, they aren't going to be able to claw back marketshare.

 

[SirPauly]

To AMD's credit, Silverforce 11 -- they're trying and working feverishly hard and it's getting noticed by this loyal nVidia gamer. By working hard, improve the gaming experience and immersion, working with developers to implement their vision and strengths is what is important for me and goes beyond just performance or dollars.

 

[sm625]

AMD graphics cards are very competitive with nvidia. They perform better at most price points, and lets be honest, no one really notices the power consumption on a video card. I've switched from a 150w video card to a newer more powerful 100w video card and I've never once noticed the difference in power consumption.

I believe AMDs market share losses have everythign to do with the bad perception the cpus have given to their brand. When someone goes to best buy and buys an AMD machine with "radeon graphics" and then they power it up and find out it runs like crap because it is some cheapo cat core running at 1.6GHz, they are going to hate AMD forever. They're done with that brand. Sure, it might have good graphics compared to atom, but even ivy bridge celeron has better graphics than these cat core gpus. I really dont understand what they were thinking. When A64 first launched, you were basically guranteed to have good performance if you had an AMD cpu. The base model was extremely powerful compared to what was on the market. That is how you gain market dominance. Look at how nvidia handles maxwell. You cant even buy a maxwell video card for under $100. Much to my chagrin, I really really want a maxwell GT740 but they wont even do it. Sure, it irritates me, but that's how you maintain a sense of brand superiority. Meanwhile, AMD is throwing out crap like "A8-6410" that is really just a dog slow cat core that cant even outperform the gpu on a G3258. How do you not lose market share when you do that? A8 is supposed to be one notch down from their top end A10. I'm jsut waiting for the moment when I see a cat core labeled as A10. lol.

 

[Bateluer]

That's a valid criticism. All I can really say in response is that AMD's angry customers seem a lot more vocal. If we ignore all of the negative reviews due to DOA or heat issues, we start to see patterns emerging for the R9 290.
Keep in mind a lot of these can be caused by the manufacturer. I'm not trying to claim AMD is 100% responsible for 100% of every problem. Regardless of whose fault it is, there seem to be a lot of quality issues with AMD video cards.
product 1
-black screens (meaning it's a power issue)
-black screens
-freezing under no load conditions
-black screens

product 2
-black screens and freezing
-black screens and BSOD (I get these sometimes. They say Memory_Management when it happens).
-freezes and locks in Counter-Strike, which is a mod for Half-Life 1.
-unstable, freezes, crashes
-BSOD, crashes in games or watching youtube
-constant crashing regardless of driver version
-constant crashing even under no load
-constant crashing

Why is when Newegg reviews are 1 Egg, the person making them sounds like a ranting idiot? On the Gigabyte card, one of the single egg reviews is ranting that the card performs like a 2gig card, not a 4gig card. Huh? I think there's a correlation between individuals looking to save money with less expensive parts and technical aptitude.

Look at the reviews for well respected brands, Asus, Sapphire, MSI, and so on, and those are usually 4 to 5 Eggs.

The new drivers might have fixed the issue. My fingers are crossed. The things I've tried that I know for a fact do not work are:
-Underclocking my CPU to 1ghz just to rule it out.
-Underclocking my ram to rule it out.
-Moving the video card to a different PCIe slot.
-Underclocking the video card.
-Disabling video acceleration in CCC.
-Disabling everything else in CCC.
-Running driver uninstall utility in safe mode.
-Disabling DXVA hardware decoding
-Forcing constant voltage in MSI Afterburner.
-Forcing the fan to run at 100% all the time to keep the temperature as low as possible.

What issue exactly? I've had Radeon based cards, both ATI and AMD, consistently since the X1900XT and every generation since. Never had a problem.

 

[Genx87]

I think having the top crown helps sell lower tier cards. Whenever AMD enjoyed being the top performing card they did well down the line. There is a filter down effect by having a halo product win.

Right now AMD is in the worst position of all. They are not the fastest GPU and consume more power. This hurts them getting into laptops.

 

[Creig]

What issue exactly? I've had Radeon based cards, both ATI and AMD, consistently since the X1900XT and every generation since. Never had a problem.

Ditto. The days of "AMD/ATi has great hardware but crappy drivers" are long gone. I haven't had any issues with AMD video cards in years. In fact, the last time I can recall having an annoying video card driver issue was with Nvidia and their "Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered" error.

 

[exar333]

While I have been critical of AMD's cpu division, I have been very impressed with the advances made in the last year from them in the GPU area. Crossfire is now the best scaling multi gpu solution, they got the frame pacing thing under control and recent drivers have continued to improve performance for a majority of their products. Those are all value adds IMHO.

For major market share change (as other posters have said) GCN 2.0 must be power efficient to start making inroads with mobile products and lower-power desktop solutions. I honestly don't know if AMD can match Maxwell, but I am hoping they can! I love my 970, but it was a purchase to get me by until a real (read: non 28nm gpu) was available with some serious performance gains.

Lots of people here are posting their anecdotal experience with one product or another. Honestly, I have not had a product from either camp I didn't like. My TNT2 was great, so was my GeForce 3, and my x800xt, and my 7800gt. My 8800Gt was awesome too, and after a bunch of upgrades I migrated to the 5870 for multiple years until getting a 670. Now I have the 970. All great cards and I enjoyed each and every one.

 

[chimaxi83]

no rebuttal?

here are hundreds of 8800gt's still running and for sale,
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...RC0.H0.Xused+8800gt&_nkw=used+8800gt&_sacat=0


8600gt

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...RC0.H0.Xused+8600gt&_nkw=used+8600gt&_sacat=0

8800gts
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...0.H0.Xused+8800gtx&_nkw=used+8800gtx&_sacat=0

according to you they are all dead,
The reality is there are more people currently using 8800gt's on steam than the gtx980, gtx 770m, GTX 470, the incredibly popular HD5870, HD4870, and the HD6970. I am sorry but there are more than a few 8800gts that lasted more than 5yrs. There are countless.

And you are seriously bringing up Ps3 failures when nearly all of the original xbox 360 failed one after another. The Red rings of death, M$ had a massive issue that cost them dearly. Oh, and in case you forgot, it was had an AMD GPU.

but lets move on

-your opinion on prices have little relevance in the real world. Currently 7 out of 10 people who buy GPUs just dont agree with you.

-Not everyone has to get the GPUs "for free", seems that most people arent interested in this route at all

-People like to spend money on things they like to buy.

-What works for you doesnt make it best for everyone

-just because the majority of people dont share your mindset, you dont have to be angry with them and call them dumb
*actually, many people who buy nvidia GPUs are well educated

-People should be free to buy whatever they want and not be criticized for it.
* Paradox: If you are so happy with your choices, why do you spend so much time criticizing others?

-There are plenty of reasons to not mine bitcoins, other than being dumb. If you dont get it, it is okay.

And to be real with ya, I was looking to buy i 290x to pair with my recently purchased x5670. It wouldve been my first AMD GPU since the HD5850. But honestly, these kind of attitudes leave a nasty taste in my mouth.

:thumbsdown:

Oh and lastly, lets move on before we get this thread locked.

Sorry to for taking the bait, i will respond no more on this

You know what's funny? RS is an equal opportunity basher. The guy points out the negative with either company, and absolutely stands behind the positive. Backs everything up with sources/links. You rally behind him when you like what he says. When his comments don't align with your company love, he leaves a bad taste in your mouth. What short memories you people have.

 

[Erenhardt]

So many Nvidia haters drowning in tears.

Such a nice account name wasted. Now it will be banned forever ;/

Please do not feed trolls.
-- stahlhart

It is not alone about performance/price. The Asus GTX970 uses 100W less power which makes the card a much better fit for smaller cases. Temperatures and sound level is lower, too.
.

what?

no rebuttal?

here are hundreds of 8800gt's still running and for sale,
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...RC0.H0.Xused+8800gt&_nkw=used+8800gt&_sacat=0


8600gt

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...RC0.H0.Xused+8600gt&_nkw=used+8600gt&_sacat=0

8800gts
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...0.H0.Xused+8800gtx&_nkw=used+8800gtx&_sacat=0

What? How is that even an argument?
How many times those were baked?
My 8800GTS was 2 times in the oven. After second baking I sold it because I couldn't afford it dying.

 

[AnandThenMan]

When AMD is doing good everyone is happy. When Nvidia is doing good everyone is stupid because thay are buying Nv GPU.

I can't believe that what's you got out of this discussion. It's like you ignored 99% of the details.

according to you they are all dead,

No one said that. What is a fact is all will die it's only a matter of time. This is a result of a physical defect with the solder bumps.

 

[stahlhart]

I can't believe that what's you got out of this discussion. It's like you ignored 99% of the details.

What he got out of the discussion was what you posted:

The bottom line is, consumers are stupid. Yes I said it, consumers buy what they think is the best not what is the best. Sometimes the two are the same, often they are not. Branding trumps actual product merits and value, this is not the fault of Nvidia the blame lays right at the feet of AMD. As a company they never grasped the critical importance of building the brand.

If you're going to take exception to getting a response from it, then how about not posting the inflammatory attack in the first place?

Thread reopened.

-- stahlhart

 

[boozzer]

AMD really need to hire an entirely new PR department.

 

[ocre]

@ first bolded comment
I expect far better from you. Just because a product has an issue doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE ONE failed...
And this issue effected mobile users more than desktop due to the heat constraints many mobile users reported their laptops failing just out of warranty.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective
You can read up on it there if you'd like.

@second bolded comment
Here I was thinking you were a mature level headed poster.
I had a vastly different opinion of you before seeing how you were able to respond to RussianSensation's posts who is an extremely levelheaded and helpful poster who makes a complete post with facts/sources rather than attacks.

Seriously?
Calling everyone who doesnt follow in his footsteps dumb?

is that level headed?

You honestly think that is a mature attitude? That is acceptable to you?

You know what's funny? RS is an equal opportunity basher. The guy points out the negative with either company, and absolutely stands behind the positive. Backs everything up with sources/links. You rally behind him when you like what he says. When his comments don't align with your company love, he leaves a bad taste in your mouth. What short memories you people have.

his Semi-accurate source that says all 8800gt's will fail prematurely?
It is bogus. This GPU launched about 8 years ago!!!! 8 years and i sited multiple sources that there are still plenty of them in use today. Working perfectly fine. I am not trying to down play bumpgate, i am just trying to say.....lets be real about this!!!!

Why are we even talking about such an ancient GPU anyway, talk about grasping for straws here.
Its like, holy smokes!!!!

As for rally behind RS,
I have no problem agreeing with him. When i do. When its not a load of bull. Is that how the world works for you? If you agree with someone on something, you must therefor be his cheerleader and support his every word from then on? Seriously? Holy smokes!!!!

When you are talking bull, doesnt matter how many words you type, its still bull.

I firmly stand by my position, which is 100% at odds with RS and his supporters. 80% of the GPU market who bought Nvidia GPUs are not dumb. Just because a person buys Nvidia, it doesnt make them dumb. What a shortsighted and ill conceived notion. A totally unacceptable conclusion.

Are you serious?

I mean, what logic?
"Everyone who buys Doritos chips instead of Toms potato chips is just dumb"
That is a very childish mentality.

I mean seriously, even if Toms gave away all their chips for free to whoever wanted them, people would still buy Doritos. Take a minute and think on it. Try to explain why, in your own words. Hopefully (i mean, i really really hope), you can come up with a different explanation than.....
"everyone who buys Doritos must be dumb"

If you cannot see the epic fail here than it is all on you. But i really expect more out of a discussion on a tech forum and i dont have a problem addressing undeveloped ideas.

 

[AnandThenMan]

If you're going to take exception to getting a response from it, then how about not posting the inflammatory attack in the first place?

I'm stating the truth, and I don't see anyone disputing such. Consumers don't educate themselves and often make buying decisions based on emotion and are heavily influenced by advertising. Also once people latch onto a particular brand it is difficult to get them to change their mind, the prejudice is built in. You don't agree with any of this?

The vast majority of people here are far more educated, and I am confident for the most part people here have purchased hardware based on numerous reviews and based on opinions of other users. That does not reflect the general buying public. Put another way, Nvidia has benefited from good PR and AMD has suffered from bad PR disproportionately. AMD products are much better than their market share numbers suggest.

AMD really need to hire an entirely new PR department.

So much this. They are banging their heads against the wall trying to become profitable but ignore one of the most critical aspects of a successful business.

his Semi-accurate source that says all 8800gt's will fail prematurely?
It is bogus.

It is not bogus. There is a physical flaw that causes the solder to degrade as long as current is passing through the connections. Nvidia replaced the flawed GPUs with parts that had the identical problem. Which means they will also fail. This happened to many people their repaired laptop died again, and again. BIOS updates were done to increase the fan speed to slow down the failure process. But it only delays the inevitable.

 

[Abwx]

PR dpt is not that bad.