Heroin usage in America-an eye opener

[IGBT]

MDMA also is related in its structure and effects to methamphetamine, which has been shown to cause degeneration of neurons containing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Damage to these neurons is the underlying cause of the motor disturbances seen in Parkinson's disease. Symptoms of this disease begin with lack of coordination and tremors and can eventually result in a form of paralysis.








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[sandorski]

Many of the herion ODs are from Heroin being too pure. A form of Legalization/Decriminalization can counteract that.

 

[compuwiz1]

There is always gonna be someone who wants to deny or defy all medical and psychological evidence and studies. The person who does not agree that addiction is a disease is an ignorant ass_hat. I've seen many great, successful people cut down to nothing, due to drugs. They had a choice, but somehow could not make the right one. To know them, as I did, you would not understand why.....but it happened and leaves many questions behind.

The bottom line for most addicts is that they want to escape from something in their lives that haunts them...the physical addiction then follows. The physical addiction is curable...just quit giving them the drug and they will not crave it physically, once they withdraw. The emotional / psychological need will never really go away....so they go back, or relapse.

Most hospitals and rehab centers focus on the emotional / psych issues. Unfortunately, life goes on and people who do not understand what's happening to them, or do not have good coping skils are prone to addiction. Some people, just are ill equipped to deal with what comes their way. It's really not their fault.

If you are a car that came from the factory with tires that could withstand no more than 55mph, but to keep from being run over, you must be driven 80mph, something will eventually give up. Those tires are gonna blow. People are like that too. They are pushed beyond their limits, all good intentions aside. Calamity strikes, or other things they cannot foresee. Sometimes they took on more than they were really prepared to handle, to begin with.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: IGBT
MDMA also is related in its structure and effects to methamphetamine, which has been shown to cause degeneration of neurons containing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Damage to these neurons is the underlying cause of the motor disturbances seen in Parkinson's disease. Symptoms of this disease begin with lack of coordination and tremors and can eventually result in a form of paralysis.








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Related in its structure and effects doesn't say anything.

This is a common mistake made by well intentioned people, and a lot of people fall for it, but since I'm bored and the topic is something that I'm interested in and am quite knowledgeable about, I'll go ahead and educate you. I don't have a problem with you thinking ecstasy is a bad thing. It IS a dangerous drug - potentially fatal, and somewhat addictve. I do have a problem with you using misinformation as the basis for your opinion, and spreading it around as fact when you haven't the slightest clue what the fvck you're talking about.

Methamphetamines are part of the molecule group called phenethylamines, along some hallucinogens like mescaline, 2CB and DOM, and enactogens like MDMA, MDA, MBDB, etc. Thats where the similarity in structure comes from. The similarities pretty much end there, unless you count that they both can come in pill or powder form.

MDMA is short for methylenedioxymethamphetamine. For some reason, people think because they can identify the last part of MDMA to mean 'methamphetamine', that means they automatically know what the drug does to the human body because, hey, it HAS to be related to methamphetmines right?

MDMA, and other 'enactogens' primarily affect serotonin. Methamphetamine affects dopamine. Methamphetamines have more in common with Cocaine than MDMA --- Cocaine also affects dopamine regulation.

The number one reason ecstasy kills people is because of the lack of an enzyme, cytochrome P450-246. 1 in 12 people lack the enzyme, which causes them to not metabolize MDMA or its variants correctly. In some people, this causes a fatal reaction that you may have heard referred to as malignant hyperthermia. Not everyone who lacks the enzyme will have this reaction. Most of the other short-term harmful effects aren't really that harmful if you take care of yourself by drinking the right amount of water (too much is bad, not enough is worse), not overexerting yourself, and having enough common sense to keep someone sober around to get you medical attention just in case something bad happens.

I'm not saying ecstasy is safe. I've done my fair share of it, I still do every once in a great while, and I do this knowing the risks involved. The most dangerous thing about ecstasy is that people start thinking they're invincible and do stupid sh!t like having unprotected sex with people they just met, mix other drugs with E, or pop a bunch of pills at once to 'get higher'. I think if you're going to rant about how dangerous ecstasy is you should focus more on stuff like that, instead of talking about long term effects that neither you or anyone else really understand quite yet.

and please, no more comparisons of E to Heroin? Heroin is seriously baaaaaad stuff. It will either kill you or turn you into a junkie. It was made for fvcking terminally ill cancer patients so they can at least die without pain, not for consumption by people who have an interest in living.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
I have an idea. If you are drug user and you bring yourself to a point where you are committing crimes/disturbing the public order/or otherwise becoming a drain/danger to society, we execute you.

Simple, lethal injection and the problem is solved. If you can use drugs without making a nuisance of yourself..well then that's all good.

I have another idea to go along with this one. Lets legalize the drugs so that nobody has to commit a crime to use them. Then if people get fvcked up and commit a crime, we punish them for the crime they committed, instead of using drugs to trump up the charges against them. Theft is theft, murder is murder. It doesn't get any more or less excusable when drugs are involved.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

nice post nan0bug. iv never seen someone else that knows as much about e as i do.

ontopic, i know 2 kids personally from the projects in southie, both have been junkies since they were 15 so it might be a problem up there. where i am its a problem, but not in the younger crowd. i just had to goto my friends mothers wake a week or so ago. she died from a heroin od. she used to be a sniff head and maintained on that but once she started H she went down hill really bad. everone you see getting hooked on oc's will move onto heroin if they dont smarten up. iv seen it happen too many times now.

JB

 

[compuwiz1]

JB, you mean OC's like prescription, Vik's, Val's, etc, or non Pres?

 

[nan0bug]

I'm gonna guess he was referring to oxycontins.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

oc = oxycontin not vicodins or anything else.

people that build a tolerance to oc's move to H. im talking people that chew or sniff a couple oc 40's at once. they are out there.

JB

 

[IGBT]

"Given the subjective effects of ecstasy in promoting 'togetherness,' it is likely taken by people who feel socially isolated and perhaps unable to feel a sense of belonging in other ways," said study lead author Ami Rokach, Ph.D., of York University in Toronto, Ontario. "The locations in which the drug is most popularly consumed, namely at raves and parties where individuals are suddenly surrounded by hundreds of 'friends,' are also conducive to a feeling of oneness...



...are you lonely tonight???



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[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: IGBT
"Given the subjective effects of ecstasy in promoting 'togetherness,' it is likely taken by people who feel socially isolated and perhaps unable to feel a sense of belonging in other ways," said study lead author Ami Rokach, Ph.D., of York University in Toronto, Ontario. "The locations in which the drug is most popularly consumed, namely at raves and parties where individuals are suddenly surrounded by hundreds of 'friends,' are also conducive to a feeling of oneness







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Yup. And while we're throwing rediculous stereotypes around, asian girls are all golddiggers, muslims are all terrorists, anyone who listens to marilyn manson worships satan, and them awesome people will steal your car and rape your wife if you don't keep a good eye on em!

please, go fvck yourself. raves aren't all about drugs, and ecstasy isn't only a 'rave' drug. they do go hand in hand, but you'd be pleasantly surprised how many people go to raves sober these days, not to mention that ecstasy has crossed over into 'mainstream' usage.

You are obviously incapable of forming a well thought out opinion of your own, consdiering your propensity for copy & pasting other people's opinions verbatim. When your malformed brain actually attempts translating thoughts into words, we end up with witty jewels like this:

no surprise..the same dummies that think X is harmless are just as oblivious to junk's dangers...

So, until you can actually write something interesting, as opposed to just copying and pasting, I'm going to leave you to wallow in the orgy of ignorance you got going on with Dr. Rokach and the fine folks at the Mountainside Treatment facility.

Have fun.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: IGBT
"Given the subjective effects of ecstasy in promoting 'togetherness,' it is likely taken by people who feel socially isolated and perhaps unable to feel a sense of belonging in other ways," said study lead author Ami Rokach, Ph.D., of York University in Toronto, Ontario. "The locations in which the drug is most popularly consumed, namely at raves and parties where individuals are suddenly surrounded by hundreds of 'friends,' are also conducive to a feeling of oneness







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Yup. And while we're throwing rediculous stereotypes around, asian girls are all golddiggers, muslims are all terrorists, anyone who listens to marilyn manson worships satan, and them awesome people will steal your car and rape your wife if you don't keep a good eye on em!

please, go fvck yourself. raves aren't all about drugs, and ecstasy isn't only a 'rave' drug. they do go hand in hand, but you'd be pleasantly surprised how many people go to raves sober these days, not to mention that ecstasy has crossed over into 'mainstream' usage.

You are obviously incapable of forming a well thought out opinion of your own, consdiering your propensity for copy & pasting other people's opinions verbatim. When your malformed brain actually attempts translating thoughts into words, we end up with witty jewels like this:

no surprise..the same dummies that think X is harmless are just as oblivious to junk's dangers...

So, until you can actually write something interesting, as opposed to just copying and pasting, I'm going to leave you to wallow in the orgy of ignorance you got going on with Dr. Rokach and the fine folks at the Mountainside Treatment facility.

Have fun.

i take it you like raves.

btw, read again, it didn't say EVERYONE at raves were doing drugs, it says "The locations in which the drug is most popularly consumed, namely at raves and parties".

don't get so defensive dude. btw, it's not a stereotype, its an observation.

 

[jjones]

I'd like to see some stats on this report. Seems like every decade I hear the same thing. I noticed that though they like to reference the 1970s heroin use in the report they only go back in comparison to the year 2000.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: IGBT
"Given the subjective effects of ecstasy in promoting 'togetherness,' it is likely taken by people who feel socially isolated and perhaps unable to feel a sense of belonging in other ways," said study lead author Ami Rokach, Ph.D., of York University in Toronto, Ontario. "The locations in which the drug is most popularly consumed, namely at raves and parties where individuals are suddenly surrounded by hundreds of 'friends,' are also conducive to a feeling of oneness







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Yup. And while we're throwing rediculous stereotypes around, asian girls are all golddiggers, muslims are all terrorists, anyone who listens to marilyn manson worships satan, and them awesome people will steal your car and rape your wife if you don't keep a good eye on em!

please, go fvck yourself. raves aren't all about drugs, and ecstasy isn't only a 'rave' drug. they do go hand in hand, but you'd be pleasantly surprised how many people go to raves sober these days, not to mention that ecstasy has crossed over into 'mainstream' usage.

You are obviously incapable of forming a well thought out opinion of your own, consdiering your propensity for copy & pasting other people's opinions verbatim. When your malformed brain actually attempts translating thoughts into words, we end up with witty jewels like this:

no surprise..the same dummies that think X is harmless are just as oblivious to junk's dangers...

So, until you can actually write something interesting, as opposed to just copying and pasting, I'm going to leave you to wallow in the orgy of ignorance you got going on with Dr. Rokach and the fine folks at the Mountainside Treatment facility.

Have fun.

i take it you like raves.

btw, read again, it didn't say EVERYONE at raves were doing drugs, it says "The locations in which the drug is most popularly consumed, namely at raves and parties".

don't get so defensive dude. btw, it's not a stereotype, its an observation.

Its still not his observation. It's somebody elses. So far the only thing he's contributed is 'people who do E are dumb!'. The guy can't even form a cognitive opinion and he's calling me and everyone else who does E 'dumb'.

The 'observation' basically says 'if you take E, you're socially inept, which means you probbably go to raves too'.

I mean, given the leaps in logic this guy has already proven he's capable of, like for instance:
The MA in MDMA means methamphetamine. Methamphetamines give you parkinsons. Therefore, MDMA gives you parkinsons!
It's not too hard to see where he was going with that 'observation'.

 

[AvesPKS]

amnesiac makes a claim that addiction is a disease based on personal experience. He gets left alone. I make a claim that addiction is not a disease, but a personal choice. I get attacked and asked to provide information to back up my claim. I don't understand why my personal experience is not valid, while his is. I guess name-calling is the name of the game here right now. Ok, fine. I will always be assured that my dad made a choice, and I'm making a choice right now, now being unable control it.

 

[Amused]

OMG!!! How can this happen??? We've banned it, and waged a full scale war on it!! We've even signifigantly eroded the civil rights of our citizens in attempts to stop people from using it!!

Further proof that drug use ebbs and flows by fads, and the war on drugs is a pointless attack on our civil rights.

Not a single drug free person I have ever met has listed "it's illegal" as the main, or even signifigant reason why they don't do drugs.

 

[Thump553]

I wasn't really in the issue of whether addiction is a diease or not. Assuming it is, you will not "catch" it unless you try the addicting substance (ie, heroin in this case) at least once. What mystifies me is why suburbanite kids are trying heroin.

I'm speaking as someone who came of age in the Vietnam era. Illegal drugs come and out of fashion, usually because they are something new (for example, ectascy wasn't around back in the seventies). But what mystifies me about this surge in heroin usage is that it is such a well known death drug, and has been known as such for years, even decades. Why do you think it is coming back in popularity-is it purely because it is it is so pure and cheap now?

Another question-doesn't the fact that heroin is so pure and cheap on the streets now conclusively prove our drug interdiction efforts are failing? Does it mean that the druglords in Afganistan are now back into full swing?

I'm not even sure if education is the answer. I can't imagine there is anyone in America over the age of five that is not at least aware of the dangers of heroin.