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Heroin Hits Rural New England Hard

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Millenium:

"How many heroin addicts have you ever known personally?"

e, and I don't think that is relevant. As a matter of fact, I've never known anyone who was addicted to any drug other than nicotine, and I've known plenty of people that have used drugs of all kinds. But I do know what the drug feels like, having received morphine injections in the hospital for extreme pain and post-surgery once or twice. Heroin is also known as diacetylmorphine and morphine is one of it's major metabolites. It is a relevant comparison.

tcsenter:

"That one trained physician can administer to his own addiction being aware and informed of associated untoward effects of the drug and can therefore self-monitor and self-regulate his dependence for a long period of time does not mean Joe Friday iron worker or Sally Tuesday office manager can do the same."

n they obviously havn't done their homework. The real reason, however, is that the doctor had pure drug, and the stuff on the street is so terribly inconsistent. Not to mention the problem with access. If you would like to check my other links you would see that the National Institute On Drug Abuse agrees with me also. Heroin addiction and withdrawal is bad, but there are plenty of worse situations out there. How is that a "sample of one"? It is common knowledge.
 
Note the bold...

Originally posted by: justint
washingtonpost.com
Drug Is Making Deadly Inroads In New England
Once Rare, Heroin Hits Rural Areas Hard

By Pamela Ferdinand
Special to The Washington Post
Saturday, February 8, 2003; Page A03


PORTLAND, Maine -- A chef, 26, clean and sober for several months, fatally overdosed on heroin sold to her by a close friend here in January 2002. Then a financial adviser, 27, a heroin addict, was found dead from a methadone overdose. Three days later, a heroin user in his forties collapsed after overdosing and died on a step leading into his apartment building.

They were only the beginning of a deadly spiral. Last year ended with Portland setting a record for itself, with 28 drug-related deaths, two-thirds of them involving known heroin users. Meanwhile, 80 miles away in the rural community of Farmington, the drug also had made its potent presence felt with three deaths last spring, including two men in their thirties who overdosed together one night.

"Throughout the state, heroin is an epidemic. No question," said Portland Detective Sgt. Scott Pelletier, a supervisory special agent with the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency.

Maine is not alone. All across northern New England, heroin is addicting younger users, increasing other crime, and killing addicts at an unprecedented pace, according to law enforcement and public health agencies.

While not creating the number of addicts of larger metropolitan areas such as Boston and New York, heroin is especially devastating in a mostly rural and geographically isolated region. Communities in these small states lack extensive drug treatment centers, and drug-related deaths and crimes are straining the resources not only of police but also of medical examiners conducting more autopsies.

"It's a scary time for us," said George Festa, who directs the New England High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, a coalition of law enforcement agencies.

The fears once associated with big cities are unsettling teachers and parents, who say the new wave of heroin use is felt more directly in small towns.

"What's going on here has been going in urban areas for a long time," said Dale Conoscenti, a restaurant owner in Montpelier, the Vermont capital. His son, 25, a longtime heroin addict, was recently sentenced to six years in federal prison on drug and gun charges. "It's an epidemic in Vermont because you look at the population and the isolation, and it's a big deal when you have only a certain amount of kids and a certain percentage of those kids are involved in heroin."

Most heroin arrives in northern New England along Interstates 91 and 95 from New York and the Massachusetts drug-trafficking centers of Springfield, Holyoke, Lawrence and Lowell. Dose bags in the Bay State sell for as little as $4 each, getting more expensive further north, police said, but still remaining cheaper and more available than other illicit drugs or prescription opiates such as OxyContin. What's more, purity levels exceeding 80 percent are attracting a new generation of drug users who don't inject but snort or smoke it.

In Maine in 2001, admissions to heroin treatment programs outpaced cocaine-related admissions by 90 percent, and heroin abuse contributed to nearly three-quarters of the more than 80 drug-related deaths that year, authorities said. Heroin-related arrests by the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency rose by 50 percent, along with increased federal convictions for offenses involving heroin, a trend police and prosecutors said is continuing.

A second methadone clinic opened in the Portland area, and firetrucks as well as ambulances now carry naloxone, which blocks the effects of opiates to help prevent fatal overdoses.

Only a decade ago, heroin was rare in this region. Police knew local addicts by name, and prosecutors considered heroin-trafficking cases a novelty. All that has changed, to the extent that drug overdose deaths -- many of them involving heroin -- have equaled or exceeded the number of homicides in recent years; the number of heroin addicts regionwide is estimated in the thousands.

In Farmington, the rural college town of 7,700 where three people died last spring, heroin was almost unheard of when Lt. Jack Peck became a full-time police officer 18 years ago. Yet heroin-related investigations have become fairly common.

"Years ago, you pretty much knew who the users or dealers were, or at least you had information. Now we don't know who the players are at times," Peck said. "We had two people die of heroin overdoses [recently], and we never knew them until that day."

In Vermont, where 13 people died from heroin and morphine overdoses last year, the number of people ages 18 to 24 seeking treatment for heroin addiction increased roughly sixfold between 1997 and 2000, authorities said. Heroin makes up nearly half the cases investigated by the state drug task force, and heroin cases at the state forensic laboratory have risen 400 percent over the past year.

Last fall, a woman taking out the garbage one morning discovered her son, 20, had fatally overdosed in a junk car in the back yard of a house where another addict had died, and a female heroin user, 23, suffered a suspected fatal drug overdose in late December. In addition, three dozen pregnant women in Vermont have sought treatment over the past six months for heroin addiction, eight times the number reported during all of 1998.

So dire is the situation that Vermont paid $1.5 million last year to send heroin addicts to a detoxification program in Upstate New York because it lacked treatment services at home, said state Sen. James Leddy (D), who is chairman of the Health and Welfare Committee.

"Our jails are filled, our courts are closed, our emergency rooms are dealing with overdoses," said Leddy, who pushed for the opening of the state's first methadone clinic in October. "There's not a community of any size in this state that isn't experiencing a serious heroin problem."

Across the border, New Hampshire heroin treatment admissions statewide increased more than 100 percent from 1996 to 2000, and nearly half of the 31 drug-related deaths two years ago involved heroin and morphine, with victims as young as 18, authorities said. A Merrimack Valley heroin distribution ring involved an elementary school principal and a grandmother who stashed the drug under a sink for her son. Last year, a man, 44, died in the public restroom of a hospital after snorting heroin marked with a picture of a red devil.

A statewide heroin task force is being formed because of an increase in the number of teenage users, said Riley Regan, director of the New Hampshire Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse Prevention and Recovery and a former heroin addict.

"I'm beginning to find an openness to people willing to recognize the heroin problem," he said. "It's affecting the kids who are closer to home."




© 2003 The Washington Post Company


OxyContin...the root of all this evil...the street value for this drug got so high after demand skyrocketed...one of the only places all the addicted could find a subsitute...
 
Millenium: your a stupid idiot that has demonstrated this many times, care to shutup? your IQ is = to a dog, we all already know this fuvkface.
 
Originally posted by: derek2034
Millenium: your a stupid idiot that has demonstrated this many times, care to shutup? your IQ is = to a dog, we all already know this fuvkface.

I have? Interesting. Sorry but you are still wrong. 😀
 
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: geno
I'm in Rural New England - I'd better watchout for smackheads roaming the streets 😱

It beats crackheads, Heroin is relatively cheap and it's addicts non-violent and non-confrontational

Absolutely. Many people don't know/realize these facts about Horse. 🙁
 
Millenium: Can you tell me the value of antioxidents while on an uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation? Can you tell me the value of an aromatase inbititor while on AAS (anabolic/androgenic steroids). You see, I have read about 20,000 pages on AAS, and could forget more than you could ever hope to know. Can you tell me the other name for methyltestosterone? Can you tell me what the most common form liothyronine is found in? Oh I forgot, all this is coming off the top of my head WHILE I am drunk. When you have read from those that know more than your tiny brain could comprehend, those such as Dan Duchaine, Lyle McDonald, among many others, you know that you can FORGET more information than others can ever even understand. This has nothing to do with Heroin, it is simply to demonstrate, that I can forget more drug knowledge than you can ever know. Can you tell me the most common form that liothyronine is bought in? How about ethyl hydroxide? How about trimethylxanthine? Could you tell me what Nandrolone aromatizes into off the top of your head? Did you know it is DiHydroNandrolone? I think not. Did you know your brain uses approximately 40g of glucose per day? Do you know the differences between the creb's cycle and anaerobic respiration all of the top of your head? No, and that is because your a blowhard. Humor me with your knowledge, show me what you know by pure brainpower, blowhard....
 
Originally posted by: derek2034
Millenium: Can you tell me the value of antioxidents while on an uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation? Can you tell me the value of an aromatase inbititor while on AAS (anabolic/androgenic steroids). You see, I have read about 20,000 pages on AAS, and could forget more than you could ever hope to know. Can you tell me the other name for methyltestosterone? Can you tell me what the most common form liothyronine is found in? Oh I forgot, all this is coming off the top of my head WHILE I am drunk. When you have read from those that know more than your tiny brain could comprehend, those such as Dan Duchaine, Lyle McDonald, among many others, you know that you can FORGET more information than others can ever even understand. This has nothing to do with Heroin, it is simply to demonstrate, that I can forget more drug knowledge than you can ever know. Can you tell me the most common form that liothyronine is bought in? How about ethyl hydroxide? How about trimethylxanthine? Could you tell me what Nandrolone aromatizes into off the top of your head? Did you know it is DiHydroNandrolone? I think not. Did you know your brain uses approximately 40g of glucose per day? Do you know the differences between the creb's cycle and anaerobic respiration all of the top of your head? No, and that is because your a blowhard. Humor me with your knowledge, show me what you know by pure brainpower, blowhard....

OK, you're some kind of chemistry major or doctor/pharmacist in training; what are you trying to prove? That you know your way around a chem lab? Some of us (like me) don't know "half what you know" but we have seen addicts in our own families, our friends...and we know what the effects are, etc. I can look at somebody and tell you what they are stoned on...yet I dont' know half those words you used. Does that make me ignorant or stupid? Nope.
 
Hehe, Not yet, but I will be. Yes, I am hoping to be a pharmacist when I finish college. But it is amazing what homeschooling since you are 14 and having nothing to do but read books on substances such as 2, 4 dinotrophenol and liothyronine and diodothyronine and creatine monophosphate, and micellar casien ultrafiltered whey protein isolate and humalog injections (otherwise known as lispro insulin) can do for you....Reading from the most immenent source on DNP that those will never even get a chance to because he is in JAIL (last time I heard anyway). Knowing all about Sodium Usniate before it was banned. Again, if any of you even knew half of what I knew off the top of my drunken head, maybe someone would udnerstand.
 
Originally posted by: derek2034
Again, if any of you even knew half of what I knew off the top of my drunken head, maybe someone would udnerstand.

So then why don't you break it down so people can understand it? Or is it just impossible for whatever reason?

 
Originally posted by: derek2034
Millenium: Can you tell me the value of antioxidents while on an uncoupler of oxidative
phosphorylation?
Can you tell me the value of an aromatase inbititor while on AAS (anabolic/androgenic steroids). You see, I have read about 20,000 pages on AAS, and could forget more than you could ever hope to know. Can you tell me the other name for methyltestosterone? Can you tell me what the most common form liothyronine is found in? Oh I forgot, all this is coming off the top of my head WHILE I am drunk. When you have read from those that know more than your tiny brain could comprehend, those such as Dan Duchaine, Lyle McDonald, among many others, you know that you can FORGET more information than others can ever even understand. This has nothing to do with Heroin, it is simply to demonstrate, that I can forget more drug knowledge than you can ever know. Can you tell me the most common form that liothyronine is bought in? How about ethyl hydroxide? How about trimethylxanthine? Could you tell me what Nandrolone aromatizes into off the top of your head? Did you know it is DiHydroNandrolone? I think not. Did you know your brain uses approximately 40g of glucose per day? Do you know the differences between the creb's cycle and anaerobic respiration all of the top of your head? No, and that is because your a blowhard. Humor me with your knowledge, show me what you know by pure brainpower, blowhard....

Actually it is the Kreb's cycle. Why are you giving me a Bio I lecture about ATP, the Kreb's cycle(TCA), anaerobic respiration, etc?

Why are you telling me about Steroids and Thryoid medicines? Why are you telling me the chemical name for caffeine and all the brand names for certain steroids?

Oh thats right all your crap post was based on bodybuiding crap that you read in a magazine.





Dan Duchaine<-------- "Steroid Guru" certainly a highpoint of literature.

Diet guru who wrote a book about low-carbs diets? Boy I am bowled over.

So basically you are giving me a lecture on steroids and dieting. Thanks... I guess.

So do you want to actually discuss drugs or not? I could care less about steroids and dieting. Are you a bodybuilder or something? How does it have an relevance to heroin?
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I am so very impressed with your knowledge of steroids and diets...
 
tcsenter:

"That one trained physician can administer to his own addiction being aware and informed of associated untoward effects of the drug and can therefore self-monitor and self-regulate his dependence for a long period of time does not mean Joe Friday iron worker or Sally Tuesday office manager can do the same."

n they obviously havn't done their homework.
lol! Done their "homework"? You must have missed this part of my post:
Anesthesiologists and anesthetists are among the most likely of all medical personnel to abuse the narcotics and other drugs they administer every day. Why? Access is part of it, but also because their high level of training in pharmacology and physiology gives them a sense of security or confidence that they can 'self-manage' the drug without 'abusing' it. Guess what? This turns out to be a false sense of security, because it almost never works. They become careless or begin to use more of the drug than they are able to conceal.
No practicing physician or non-physician health practitioner knows more about narcotics, opiates, and benzodiazepines than a board certified anesthesiologist or registered nurse anesthetist. Certainly far more than any general practice physician, like your 84 year-old morphine junky.

So if this is the exception among trained physicians, how can you possibly reduce this to such a simplistic and misguided statement about doing one's homework (other than because your view is simplistic and misguided)?
The real reason, however, is that the doctor had pure drug, and the stuff on the street is so terribly inconsistent. Not to mention the problem with access. If you would like to check my other links you would see that the National Institute On Drug Abuse agrees with me also. Heroin addiction and withdrawal is bad, but there are plenty of worse situations out there. How is that a "sample of one"? It is common knowledge.
Your "study" detailing the experience of a single exceptionally unrepresentative and atypical person is a "study of one". The National Institute On Drug Abuse, as with most of the medical establishment, agrees that long-term, medically indicated and controlled, morphine or heroin use does not pose any significant health risks such as damage to organs or systems. That is not the issue here, it never has been.

The National Institute on Drug Abuse does NOT "agree with" the position you are both defending and advocating.
 
Me = also wondering why derek is drunk, since (according to his earlier posts) alcohol is so much worse for him than smack?
 
Originally posted by: Tallgeese
Me = wondering why derek doesn't shoot his own ass full of smack, if it's all peaches and cream?

Umm because he is talking about dieting and bodybuilding crap. He isn't actually saying anything relavent to the debate or showing any knowledge about drugs and pharmacology.

Here is a simple question for you derek. What common beverage is a CYP 3A inhibitor of alprazolam? What commonly prescribed SSRI is a CYP 3A of alprazolam?

See I can be technical and post a bunch of dribble just like you. If anyone wants to know the answers or what this actually is just PM me. I will be waiting on derek's great drug knowledge as we speak.
 
Millenium: Re-read my post. It is common knowledge (at least to those with real knowledge about drugs) that barbituate and alcohol withdrawal both are worse than heroin withdrawal. Just pointing out that nicotine addiction and withdrawal is no walk in the park either.
Not to contradict your wealth of knowledge but you are comparing apples and oranges. While it is true that barbituate and alcohol withdrawal can be fatal, NO ONE has ever died of nicotine withdrawal.

Barbituates, alcohol, opiates (heroin, morphine, codeine) all have lethal intake levels that are easily achieved. Although nicotine is toxic (and addicting) you can't smoke enough cigarettes (in a day, week, or month) to kill yourself . . . but keep trying and eventually you will achieve your goal.

Caffeine and nicotine are very habit forming and almost always produce MILD physical/psychological withdrawal symptoms. I agree with you that nicotine addiction is no walk in the park and has significant health consequences (hence it should be tightly regulated, heavily taxed, and certainly not subsidized) but it does not belong in a discussion about opiate addiction.

Alcohol is a different animal b/c it is widely advertised, widely available and widely abused. We lack proper infrastructure for fighting this addiction hence thousands die from alcohol intoxication, alcohol related trauma (typical car accidents), and alcohol withdrawal . . . granted the vast majority of those fatalities come from alcohol related trauma. Yet even Christians laud the merits of alcohol consumption. Oh Damn the Home page is even better.

 
Studies of chronic heroin addicts are completely unrealistic due to the fact that they do not require the subjects to be gainfully employed or have any responsibility other than report for their heroin and health examinations. They are even fed when they come in, they don't have to provide for themselves at all.

This is a stark contrast to the responsibilities people are expected to hold and manage in society. The issue has never been nor will it ever be 'how do drugs affect a person who doesn't have a shred of responsibility and needn't even provide for themselves at the most basic levels.'

Studies in chronic heroin addicts (a bit redundant, yes?) are quite realistic in terms of determining what is necessary to detoxify them and restore them to productivity. Such studies have little merit in America b/c our system of social support leaves much to be desired and we lack the proper infrastructure AND moral integrity to advocate effective programs. In places like the Netherlands addicts start in HEROIN maintenance programs. Not only do they get their fix but they are also provided food and shelter. Of course, they get their fix at the police station.

Swiss approach 1998

Rotterdam priest sets heroin and cocaine prices 1997
The Reverend Visser has given over his large church in Rotterdam during the day to a group of heavy drug users who are homeless, or who are too ill to buy drugs on the local street market. In his church he created space where a small group of heroin and cocaine dealers can sell drugs of good quality to the drug users present in the in church. Visser discusses price and quality with these dealers, who are actually respected in his community, considered as responsible people and not treated as criminals. I myself have met these dealers several times, and they are well aware of the fact that Visser makes the rules, not them.
 
Studies in chronic heroin addicts (a bit redundant, yes?) are quite realistic in terms of determining what is necessary to detoxify them and restore them to productivity. Such studies have little merit in America b/c our system of social support leaves much to be desired and we lack the proper infrastructure AND moral integrity to advocate effective programs.
Not necessarily redundant, there are addicts who have been addicts for a couple months or those who have been addicts for several years. Anyway, they weren't my words: "Absence of Major Medical Complications among Chronic Opiate Addicts" in _The Epidemiology of Opiate Addiction in the United States (eds J. Ball and C. Chambers), p. 301-6.)"

The studies I was particularly referring to have no merit other than to study the health effects of heroin or morphine maintenance, on which the medical community is pretty much in agreement, there are little or no significant health effects. Emotional, psychological, social, and economic are another matter. I agree that Europe has had wonderful success in taking homeless and unemployable herion addicts who have to steal to support their habit and turning them into homeless and unemployable heroin addicts who don't have to steal to support their habit.

There is no addiction that cannot be broken, when the addict is full and well ready to be free of it. There are plenty of options for addicts in the US when they are ready to stop, we just refuse to be their sugar daddy for the one, two, three, four, or how many ever years it takes them to finally decide they want to change.

Substance abuse clinics and programs have sprung up all over the place since the 1970s, there is good federal and state money to be had by operating one in an area of need.
 
Not necessarily redundant, there are addicts who have been addicts for a couple months or those who have been addicts for several years.

It's semantics . . . in order to become an addict you have to meet criteria which have an intrinisic chronicity. The use of arbitrary distinctions such as 1yr, 3yr, or 5yr are for research purposes to produce some homogeneity in samples.

I agree that Europe has had wonderful success in taking homeless and unemployable herion addicts who have to steal to support their habit and turning them into homeless and unemployable heroin addicts who don't have to steal to support their habit.

Do not distort the facts to fit your preconceived notions. Drug addiction is in part defined by the maladaptive patterns which evolve from drug use. Every reputable program starts by removing ONE element of that maladaptive pattern; eliminating the need for criminal enterprise to satisfy the cravings. Once people are no longer preoccupied with acquiring heroin (or any drug for that matter) the stage is set for other interventions.

I wouldn't use the term "grow out of" but over time the vast majority of maintenance users desire a return to society . . . family, employment, etc. The best interventional programs provide a realistic framework from which heroin addicts can reclaim their lives. Don't confuse American failures with real progress being made abroad.
 
There is no addiction that cannot be broken, when the addict is full and well ready to be free of it. There are plenty of options for addicts in the US when they are ready to stop, we just refuse to be their sugar daddy for the one, two, three, four, or how many ever years it takes them to finally decide they want to change.

I understand your moral perspective on drug addiction/maintenance programs. Unfortunately, your morals are not founded in an accurate assessment of available evidence. You won't find a single expert in molecular pharmacology that would contend NO addiction cannot be broken or a psychiatrist that would agree that ALL (or even many) addictions can be conquered by will. You will find no public health official that says plenty of VIABLE options are available for detox. I've sent patients to psychiatric hospitals b/c detox facilities were full or nonexistent.

As for your sugar daddy comment, I hate being a sugar daddy for DOD and DOT contractors who pillage the treasury but our WMD and highways are somewhat preferable to living under the Hammer and Sickle or needing a Hummer to go to the grocery store. The total costs of drug interdiction, law enforcement, and incarceration probably far exceeds the costs of a drug maintenance/welfare system. Once you include the costs of criminal activity and the loss of productivity it becomes clear that instituting a viable system of mediating harmful behaviors and reclaiming addicts as productive members of society makes far more sense than continuing failed policies of interdiction/incarceration.

Substance abuse clinics and programs have sprung up all over the place since the 1970s, there is good federal and state money to be had by operating one in an area of need.
Do you understand the contradiction in your post. You say 'there are plenty of options available for addicts when they are ready to stop' yet you follow that comment with how 'good money' is available to operate clinics in an area of need. Guess what . . . if options were already available there wouldn't be unmet need.

I don't doubt that faith in Jesus (or Allah or Buddha) cures heroin addiction. But the only way you can claim that treatment for the willing is widely available is to include faith-based initiatives and various other unreliable and unsubstantiated resources.
 
I wouldn't use the term "grow out of" but over time the vast majority of maintenance users desire a return to society . . . family, employment, etc. The best interventional programs provide a realistic framework from which heroin addicts can reclaim their lives. Don't confuse American failures with real progress being made abroad.
lol! Well when Europe can claim success at having accomplished anything more than just what I said - taking homeless and unemployable heroin addicts who have to steal to support their habit and turning them into homeless and unemployable heroin addicts who don't have to steal to support their habit - I'll give it some consideration.

Until then, I have no desire to see my tax dollars used to make life easier on heroin addicts in such a way that it removes all disincentive to continue being a drug addict and change their life. "Rock bottom" is not going to happen when you're getting free heroin, food, and shelter from the government. Hell that sounds like an almost dreamy life; you get to stay high all day, not worry about where your next fix or meal is coming from, get a nice soft cot at a warm shelter. Damn, where do I sign up for that?
 
Until then, I have no desire to see my tax dollars used to make life easier on heroin addicts in such a way that it removes all disincentive to continue being a drug addict and change their life. "Rock bottom" is not going to happen when you're getting free heroin, food, and shelter from the government. Hell that sounds like an almost dreamy life; you get to stay high all day, not worry about where your next fix or meal is coming from, get a nice soft cot at a warm shelter. Damn, where do I sign up for that?

Foreign irradication, interdiction, law enforcement, and incarceration have been boondoggles. I'm not sure how much heroin you've tried but 'rock bottom' is not a goal of any successful treatment regimen. MOST people grow weary of being stoned all the time. Heroin starts as a rush but eventually becomes an escape. If a person can see no hope then it is a DISINCENTIVE to STOP.

Government programs are no panacea. Equally important are family members or other concerned parties willing to participate in reclaiming a person. Employers willing (often subsidized) to give these people a chance. In total such coordination brings HOPE and INCENTIVE to STOP.

Said policies are successful if you define success has ending the cycle of criminality and providing a foundation for kicking the habit. I doubt you can find any program of incarceration that claims such success other than to say while incarcerated people commit fewer crimes and use less drugs . . . but of course we know that's not the truth. The very fact that drug use is such a problem in our prisons and rates of recidivism should be reason enough to admit incarceration is not the answer.


 
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