Heroes s02e01 rerun

[IHateMyJob2004]

Before Sulu got his paper where the picture of himself fell out with the symbol on it, Hando bumped into someone in the street. Hando was holdign the paper to give to Sulu. I wonder if that is the person bumping into Hando is the "bad guy".

Why else even have the scene?

EDIT: I couldn't find the other Heroes thread so to all the haters that will pop up, thanks for going off topic.

 

[PottedMeat]

Wasnt that nathan Petrelli?

 

[jw0ollard]

When I first watched it, I said "That's Nathan!". It was definitely him... thick beard, same style of dress. It was just their way of dropping the hint that he was still alive (since no one really knew for sure) before we saw him with Mama Petrelli.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Why did they repeatedly call it a "birdy thing" when playing Badminton? Are they trying to make Claire look stoopid?

 

[jw0ollard]

Erm.. because it's called a birdie? =p

Edit: I reallllllyyy dislike the Kensei storyline so far... Why couldn't they get a REAL British guy that was fluent in Japanese? :roll:

lol

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

86 straight days of sunshine, you just can't beat that.

 

[jw0ollard]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

What??

Ando got that paper from Nakamura's office. Whoever put it in there did so in the office. They even said that out loud during the scene.....

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Seeing it a second time, I do think it was in fact Sulu that was dead after the fall. The first time I saw it I couldn't tell.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

What??

Ando got that paper from Nakamura's office. Whoever put it in there did so in the office. They even said that out loud during the scene.....

You missed the person bumping into Hando in the street just prior to Hando giving Sulu the paper.

It was assumed by Sulu that someone snuck into his office and planted the picture at that time. That does not mean that it did happen that way.

 

[jw0ollard]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

What??

Ando got that paper from Nakamura's office. Whoever put it in there did so in the office. They even said that out loud during the scene.....

You missed the person bumping into Hando in the street just prior to Hando giving Sulu the paper.

It was assumed by Sulu that someone snuck into his office and planted the picture at that time. That does not mean that it did happen that way.

I'm the one who told you that it was in fact Nathan Petrelli on the street?? I didn't miss anything.

And he's also not Sulu in this show.. and it's Ando not Hando. :roll:

You tell me what's more likely:

A) A magician/pickpocket that just so happens to be Nathan Petrelli bumps into Ando on the street, and somehow gets a photo inside the paper, without being seen.

OR

B) While it was sitting on Nakamura's desk for who knows how long, somebody was able to walk in undetected and simply put the photo in the paper.

=p

Also.... Mama Petrelli was WITH Nathan when she left the apartment to find her picture out in the hallway. He must be a really good magician, then.

Not to mention Angela and Nakamura discuss that "one of the original 9" (paraphrasing) are hunting down the rest.. And to back up this point, Nakamura says something like "Out of all them, I didn't expect it to be you".

I think the coolest twist would be if it were Simon Petrelli, back from the dead and killing his own wife, no less.

So tell me what other than the street scene makes you think Nathan Petrelli is evil and hunting down his predecessors?

 

[Kadarin]

I suspect we haven't seen the last of George Takei. IIRC we don't even know what his power was at this point, and nor do we yet know the power that the Petrelli matriarch has.

Also, in an odd way, I'm rooting for them to turn Sylar into something of an anti-hero, and pit him against The Company or some other bad guy. I don't think it would be easy to do this, however.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

What??

Ando got that paper from Nakamura's office. Whoever put it in there did so in the office. They even said that out loud during the scene.....

You missed the person bumping into Hando in the street just prior to Hando giving Sulu the paper.

It was assumed by Sulu that someone snuck into his office and planted the picture at that time. That does not mean that it did happen that way.

I'm the one who told you that it was in fact Nathan Petrelli on the street?? I didn't miss anything.

And he's also not Sulu in this show.. and it's Ando not Hando. :roll:

So, because I refer to one character as Sulu and spelled Ando wrong, you obvioulsy have proven it 100% impossible for the picture to have been planted at any location other than Sulus office.

thanks for clearing that up. SHould I insert a stupid emoticon here just to further my proof of knowledge?

Oh, by the way if it was "in fact Nathan Petrelli on the street", why are you 100% sure than Nathan did not plant the picture at that time?

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I was so confused by the first episode that I have given up on trying to understand all that is going on.

 

[jw0ollard]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

What??

Ando got that paper from Nakamura's office. Whoever put it in there did so in the office. They even said that out loud during the scene.....

You missed the person bumping into Hando in the street just prior to Hando giving Sulu the paper.

It was assumed by Sulu that someone snuck into his office and planted the picture at that time. That does not mean that it did happen that way.

I'm the one who told you that it was in fact Nathan Petrelli on the street?? I didn't miss anything.

And he's also not Sulu in this show.. and it's Ando not Hando. :roll:

So, because I refer to one character as Sulu and spelled Ando wrong, you obvioulsy have proven it 100% impossible for the picture to have been planted at any location other than Sulus office.

thanks for clearing that up. SHould I insert a stupid emoticon here just to further my proof of knowledge?

Oh, by the way if it was "in fact Nathan Petrelli on the street", why are you 100% sure than Nathan did not plant the picture at that time?

OK.. well I edited my OP, but here it is so you don't have to scroll up:

You tell me what's more likely:

A) A magician/pickpocket that just so happens to be Nathan Petrelli bumps into Ando on the street, and somehow gets a photo inside the paper, without being seen.

OR

B) While it was sitting on Nakamura's desk for who knows how long, somebody was able to walk in undetected and simply put the photo in the paper.

=p

Also.... Mama Petrelli was WITH Nathan when she left the apartment to find her picture out in the hallway. He must be a really good magician, then.

Not to mention Angela and Nakamura discuss that "one of the original 9" (paraphrasing) are hunting down the rest.. And to back up this point, Nakamura says something like "Out of all them, I didn't expect it to be you".

I think the coolest twist would be if it were Simon Petrelli, back from the dead and killing his own wife, no less.

So tell me what other than the street scene makes you think Nathan Petrelli is evil and hunting down his predecessors?

I'll ignore the "stupid emoticon" comment. :roll:

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

What??

Ando got that paper from Nakamura's office. Whoever put it in there did so in the office. They even said that out loud during the scene.....

You missed the person bumping into Hando in the street just prior to Hando giving Sulu the paper.

It was assumed by Sulu that someone snuck into his office and planted the picture at that time. That does not mean that it did happen that way.

I'm the one who told you that it was in fact Nathan Petrelli on the street?? I didn't miss anything.

And he's also not Sulu in this show.. and it's Ando not Hando. :roll:

You tell me what's more likely:

A) A magician/pickpocket that just so happens to be Nathan Petrelli bumps into Ando on the street, and somehow gets a photo inside the paper, without being seen.

OR

B) While it was sitting on Nakamura's desk for who knows how long, somebody was able to walk in undetected and simply put the photo in the paper.

=p

Oh, in with the edit.

Seeing this is a fictional TV show with script writers, what was the purpose of placing Nathan in the scene. The writers are telling a story, correct?

I mean, in terms of telling a narative, which Heroes is, what is more likely? Who knows. Quit acting like odds matter. The scene was in place for a reason. To allude to the fact that Peter placed the image or to misdirect the viewer.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I was so confused by the first episode that I have given up on trying to understand all that is going on.

We talked about this at work. If you missed Season 1, the premier of season 2 did not do a good job of reintroducing old characters.

If this is the case, I highly suggest that you get Season one and watch it.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

It could be Simon Patrelli I suppose.

Tiem for bed

:yawn)

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: jw0ollard
So tell me what other than the street scene makes you think Nathan Petrelli is evil and hunting down his predecessors?

There is nothing in Season 1 to indicate that Nathan is or was evil.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I was so confused by the first episode that I have given up on trying to understand all that is going on.

We talked about this at work. If you missed Season 1, the premier of season 2 did not do a good job of reintroducing old characters.

If this is the case, I highly suggest that you get Season one and watch it.

I *did* watch season 1. The thing is that S1 tended to focus on only a few characters per episode. This new episode had pretty much every character in it and sorting them all out was confusing.

 

[jw0ollard]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: jw0ollard

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That was Nathan Patrelli? Wow. Then he might be a bad guy now?

What??

Ando got that paper from Nakamura's office. Whoever put it in there did so in the office. They even said that out loud during the scene.....

You missed the person bumping into Hando in the street just prior to Hando giving Sulu the paper.

It was assumed by Sulu that someone snuck into his office and planted the picture at that time. That does not mean that it did happen that way.

I'm the one who told you that it was in fact Nathan Petrelli on the street?? I didn't miss anything.

And he's also not Sulu in this show.. and it's Ando not Hando. :roll:

You tell me what's more likely:

A) A magician/pickpocket that just so happens to be Nathan Petrelli bumps into Ando on the street, and somehow gets a photo inside the paper, without being seen.

OR

B) While it was sitting on Nakamura's desk for who knows how long, somebody was able to walk in undetected and simply put the photo in the paper.

=p

Oh, in with the edit.

Seeing this is a fictional TV show with script writers, what was the purpose of placing Nathan in the scene. The writers are telling a story, correct?

I mean, in terms of telling a narative, which Heroes is, what is more likely? Who knows. Quit acting like odds matter. The scene was in place for a reason. To allude to the fact that Peter placed the image or to misdirect the viewer.

Like I said in my first post, the intent of placing Nathan in that scene was none other than foreshadowing that he was, in fact, ALIVE. Since nobody knew for sure the fate of Nathan (Adrian Pasdar himself would not comment on if he was in Season 2), and it's common in a story, and in a screenplay no less, to use foreshadowing.

As for "in with the edit", you'll see I decided to make it a whole new post just to be sure you'd catch it.

Yeah, so... does anybody remember the "homeless guy yelling at Nathan and Mohinder" at the very beginning of Season 1?? Well, I was active in Heroes forums then, and I can tell you that everyone had wild conspiracy theories that the homeless man was in fact SYLAR (this was before Zach Quinto had been revealed), and the only reason they made this theory was "Why else would they put him in that scene?"

So, I just want to show you that not everything that goes on in a scene has some kind of secret motive. *witty emoticon*

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: jw0ollard
So tell me what other than the street scene makes you think Nathan Petrelli is evil and hunting down his predecessors?

There is nothing in Season 1 to indicate that Nathan is or was evil.

Tell that to IHMJ2004.

Although, I think that "Phantom of the Opera" moment that Nathan had in the mirror at the bar could be portrayed as "evil/creepyish" but I think it was more a metaphor for the emotional scars he has from Peter's "death" and also, the scars did look like "nuclear blast damage"

 

[Kadarin]

We already would have figured that both Peter and Nathan Petrelli are still alive because in the episode Five Years Gone, Peter was still alive, and Sylar had managed to acquire Nathan's ability. This meant that both had to have survived the explosion.

 

[jw0ollard]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
We already would have figured that both Peter and Nathan Petrelli are still alive because in the episode Five Years Gone, Peter was still alive, and Sylar had managed to acquire Nathan's ability. This meant that both had to have survived the explosion.

No. Not necessarily.

It's been stated by the writers (I believe) that Five Years Gone takes place in an "alternate timeline", especially since nothing that happens in FYG actually happens in the finale.

Edit: I mean yes, we should know from FYG that Peter can survive his own blast, but in FYG's timeline, since "Nathan" is president, we can assume that he followed Mama Petrelli's advice and got out of NYC instead of helping Peter... placing him nowhere near NYC during the time of the blast, and that being the only reason he was alive for Sylar to kill.

With what happened in the finale, we honestly had no idea if Nathan was alive, since he could have held onto Peter up until the explosion.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Why did they repeatedly call it a "birdy thing" when playing Badminton? Are they trying to make Claire look stoopid?

Maybe the writers didn't think "shuttlecock" would get past the network censors?

 

[jw0ollard]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Why did they repeatedly call it a "birdy thing" when playing Badminton? Are they trying to make Claire look stoopid?

Maybe the writers didn't think "shuttlecock" would get past the network censors?

Lol.

And thanks.. you got me in that mindset. When I went to "Quote" your post, I saw Top/Bottom right next to it and had a giggle.