Here's the official F U to the Westboro Baptist Church

[Druidx]

The ultimate ownage of Fred Phelps and his wacko church was several years agao when his site godhatesfags.com was hacked.
Someone hacked the domain name an made it point to their site godlovesfags.com.
The hacked version offered an explanation saying he had changed his mind regarding homosexuals after he found the joys of hot man love.

Can you imagine how much that drove him nuts, no being able to remove the bogus message from his own site.

 

[1prophet]

If you have a non-profit that 100% takes in donations and spends that money 100% on buying and rehab'ing homes for the homeless, doesn't go and make speeches, doesn't donate to political campaings, doesn't fire up its members to vote and/or donate, etc etc., then I'd say they can be tax exempt. That literally means though that 100% of the people working for that non-profit spend 100% of their time doing straight non-profit work...not meddling into politics.

As soon as a for-profit and/or non-profit starts sticking its nose into public matters, they should lose their tax-exempt status.

I have no problem if that means 98% of the non-profits become tax'd. Let them each decide how much it's worth to interject themselves into the public mindset.

Chuck

Not going to happen, because it's not just the radical conservative churches that are going to take the hit, the black liberal churches also stand to lose as much if not more.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18279054

 

[dahunan]

Soon enough it will be considered hate speech or is it already

How is this place actually a church?

 

[Red Irish]

Soon enough it will be considered hate speech or is it already

How is this place actually a church?

Hatred and churches have long been partners in crime.

 

[Modelworks]

Soon enough it will be considered hate speech or is it already

How is this place actually a church?

As long as they do not incite violence they are safe. The minute they cross the line and say that someone should be attacked or beaten they lose their protected status.

They are aware of this though and so are very careful how they word things.

 

[Atreus21]

The ultimate ownage of Fred Phelps and his wacko church was several years agao when his site godhatesfags.com was hacked.
Someone hacked the domain name an made it point to their site godlovesfags.com.
The hacked version offered an explanation saying he had changed his mind regarding homosexuals after he found the joys of hot man love.

Can you imagine how much that drove him nuts, no being able to remove the bogus message from his own site.

That was freaking awesome.

 

[shrumpage]

Yes, it should.

Chuck

How do you think the abolitionist movement, or the civil rights movement would have fared under those types of laws?

 

[chucky2]

How do you think the abolitionist movement, or the civil rights movement would have fared under those types of laws?

Since their power was in the people, not the $$$, just fine.

Chuck

 

[shrumpage]

Since their power was in the people, not the $$$, just fine.

Chuck

so whats the problem then?

Pope speaks out against abortion.

Rev. MLK speaks out against racial injustice.

 

[chucky2]

so whats the problem then?

Pope speaks out against abortion.

Rev. MLK speaks out against racial injustice.

If the Rev. MLK wants to personally speak out on his own, in public, representing and speaking solely for the Rev. MLK, then no problem.

The Pope is the elected leader of the Roman Catholic church, and as such, when speaking, is speaking for the Roman Catholic church. When the Pope speaks, the RC church speaks. Unless the Pope is going to talk only to himself and/or elected/ordained members of the RC church, then the Pope is speaking to the Public, and as such, is now a politician. What he represents should now be taxed like any other public entity.

Don't like that? Fine.

Don't speak to the public.

Chuck

 

[shrumpage]

If the Rev. MLK wants to personally speak out on his own, in public, representing and speaking solely for the Rev. MLK, then no problem.

The Pope is the elected leader of the Roman Catholic church, and as such, when speaking, is speaking for the Roman Catholic church. When the Pope speaks, the RC church speaks. Unless the Pope is going to talk only to himself and/or elected/ordained members of the RC church, then the Pope is speaking to the Public, and as such, is now a politician. What he represents should now be taxed like any other public entity.

Don't like that? Fine.

Don't speak to the public.

Chuck

So using churches to push their cause was wrong? Holding meetings, and organizing at churches was also wrong? or was that ok for the civil rights movement?

 

[chucky2]

So using churches to push their cause was wrong? Holding meetings, and organizing at churches was also wrong? or was that ok for the civil rights movement?

Holding a meeting at a church isn't a problem, that's not a public place, that's a private place albeit open to the public at that churchs discretion - the public in that case determines if they'll attend or not.

When the church is holding meetings in public, it is no longer private, it's public.

When the leaders of the church are speaking in public representing the church, they are no longer private.

These F'ing douchebags went above and beyond any of that though, they deserve to get run over by the hearse.

Chuck

 

[Generator]

I have to admit it is a good angle this church has. Lets not forget its a choice war, with choice soldiers. Every christian knows thou shall not kill. We all can agree that religion is mostly a policing institution. It has its laws and I can't really fault a group of christians who remind the half christian or fake christian exactly what the good book says.

Its a horrible example of tough love. But I can't fault a group that actually believes and obeys their god.

 

[Modelworks]

I have to admit it is a good angle this church has. Lets not forget its a choice war, with choice soldiers. Every christian knows thou shall not kill. We all can agree that religion is mostly a policing institution. It has its laws and I can't really fault a group of christians who remind the half christian or fake christian exactly what the good book says.

Its a horrible example of tough love. But I can't fault a group that actually believes and obeys their god.

Thou shalt not kill is taken out of context 95% of the time. The context it is used in the bible is one of "Do not kill for sinful reasons like hate, greed, or lust" , not that if someone is shooting at you , you should just stand up and die.

 

[Modelworks]

Holding a meeting at a church isn't a problem, that's not a public place, that's a private place albeit open to the public at that churchs discretion - the public in that case determines if they'll attend or not.

When the church is holding meetings in public, it is no longer private, it's public.

When the leaders of the church are speaking in public representing the church, they are no longer private.

Nothing requires a church or religion to hold meetings in private. It is no different than people forming a group and standing on a street corner with signs and shouting what they are protesting. It is protected under free speech as long as it does not suggest using violence . You can call people names, shout how much you think you are right and jump up and down while doing it and there is nothing anyone can do. If you do that and say "If you don't do what we want then someone should kill you", you just lost your free speech rights.

These F'ing douchebags went above and beyond any of that though, they deserve to get run over by the hearse.

Chuck

Don't drop to their level. Ignore nut groups like this. They want people to get enraged, it helps their cause.

 

[shrumpage]

I have to admit it is a good angle this church has. Lets not forget its a choice war, with choice soldiers. Every christian knows thou shall not kill. We all can agree that religion is mostly a policing institution. It has its laws and I can't really fault a group of christians who remind the half christian or fake christian exactly what the good book says.

Its a horrible example of tough love. But I can't fault a group that actually believes and obeys their god.

It is not murder - not kill - there is a difference.

 

[chucky2]

Nothing requires a church or religion to hold meetings in private. It is no different than people forming a group and standing on a street corner with signs and shouting what they are protesting. It is protected under free speech as long as it does not suggest using violence . You can call people names, shout how much you think you are right and jump up and down while doing it and there is nothing anyone can do. If you do that and say "If you don't do what we want then someone should kill you", you just lost your free speech rights.

I never said they couldn't speak, protest, whatever. I just said, once they do it in public, they're not private anymore. Not private? You get taxed unless you can document you are non-profit.

Don't drop to their level. Ignore nut groups like this. They want people to get enraged, it helps their cause.

I would ignore them and would not drop to their level. I'd ignore them as I drove the hearse right over them...them being the level of scum, and I being in the drivers seat of the hearse, hence, above their level.

Chuck

 

[Harvey]

"Christians" (quotes intentional) like Phelps and his Westboro Baptist hate mob are the reason I always root for the Lions.

 

[Red Dawn]

I have to admit it is a good angle this church has. Lets not forget its a choice war, with choice soldiers. Every christian knows thou shall not kill. We all can agree that religion is mostly a policing institution. It has its laws and I can't really fault a group of christians who remind the half christian or fake christian exactly what the good book says.

Its a horrible example of tough love. But I can't fault a group that actually believes and obeys their god.

Well since IMO all religion and Gods are bullshit I have no problem faulting them

 

[Red Irish]

I have to admit it is a good angle this church has. Lets not forget its a choice war, with choice soldiers. Every christian knows thou shall not kill. We all can agree that religion is mostly a policing institution. It has its laws and I can't really fault a group of christians who remind the half christian or fake christian exactly what the good book says.

Its a horrible example of tough love. But I can't fault a group that actually believes and obeys their god.

If the "good book" tells the faithful to turn up at funerals and cause untold pain to families who are already grieving, then piss on it, piss on the God in question and piss on the followers of this religion. Thankfully, I think that most Christians are aware that they will do nothing to advance "true Christian values" by engaging in such practices. War and killing should not be encouraged, but I see nothing Christian in the practices you support.

 

[Squisher]

Do the members of the church view any hardships in their own lives as proof that they themselves are i love you lovers?

I'm all for showing up at the funeral of a member of the Westboro Baptist Church and applauding.