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JSt0rm

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The only sedition here is from people that refuse to accept the election and the idiot protestors outside of Trump's home.

Here's a clue for those that would hurt Trump: Then you have Mike Pence running things.

If in all your wildest imaginations you thought Trump was bad, Pence will be all that and twice that AND a bag of chips. LOL


Nobody here is advocating for "hurting trump".

you are a russian
 

norseamd

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Before he answers that question, could you give a full and complete definition of liberalism?

Is anti-theism liberal?
Is anti-war under all circumstances not involving existential threats liberal?
etc...

Liberalism is freedom of religion.

Liberalism is the right of individuals to be free of undue attacks on their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Liberalism is not anti-war unless that war is contrary to the tenets of liberalism. For example, were the Barbary Wars contrary to the tenets of liberalism?

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Whereas classical liberalism emphasises the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality.[4] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the prevailing social and political norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[12] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.

Prominent revolutionaries in the Glorious Revolution, the American Revolution, and the French Revolution used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. Liberalism started to spread rapidly especially after the French Revolution. The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, South America, and North America.[13] In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of classical liberalism was conservatism, but liberalism later survived major ideological challenges from new opponents, such as fascism and communism. During the 20th century, liberal ideas spread even further as liberal democracies found themselves on the winning side in both world wars. In Europe and North America, the establishment of social liberalism became a key component in the expansion of the welfare state.[14][15] Today, liberal parties continue to wield power and influence throughout the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
 

JSt0rm

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Liberalism is freedom of religion.

Liberalism is the right of individuals to be free of undue attacks on their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Liberalism is not anti-war unless that war is contrary to the tenets of liberalism. For example, were the Barbary Wars contrary to the tenets of liberalism?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

russians and tru™ patriots are against these things.
 

norseamd

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Liberalism is fine.It was for around 100 years+ Cultural Marxism is not fine and it is not liberalism.

Unfortunately Cultural Marxists have been dominating the Democratic party and making it into something it is not. Can we agree on that?

Is Poes Law not in effect when the given subjects have sprouted Nazi propaganda themselves?
 

jackstar7

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Does that include verifying that all the votes that were cast were cast by legal citizens? I don't think a good audit of the voting process in every state is a bad idea at all, it would help restore some confidence in the process. It would be expensive and take a lot of time though.
I have ZERO problem with this. I'm talking about a COMPLETE audit. If there are any illegal voters or votes, those should be rooted out. And if there are none or absurdly few, then people can STFU about it. Either way, it stops being an issue.

I don't see how it would be very expensive in terms of nationwide programs though. Vastly cheaper than the census, I'd imagine.
 
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NoCreativity

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While I'm glad that Stein got her MI recount blocked (saving us taxpayers several million dollars) I'm a little sad it didn't go all the way. It would have been nice to see if and where there were any issues with the vote.

I do find it funny that her reasoning for the recount is that almost twice as many voters in 2016 didn't vote for a presidential candidate as in 2012. Yeah, a real shocker that so many people decided not to vote for anyone from possibly the worst candidate pool in history.
 
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Ackmed

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Tennessee = the shithole the smart guys put the test nuke place in because of its geography.

modern conservatives - "Tennessee is the reason ww2 ended"

More elitism from you, not surprised. I never said TN is why WW2 ended. I said the nukes built that stopped WW2 were built there as an offering that the South has provided something of substance. There are countless examples. Only a fool would disagree. But since you didn't voice your disagreement in that, I guess I know where you stand. I refuted with facts (as did others) an ignorant claim that the South has never offered anything good. Instead of acknowledging the fact it was a dumb post, you and others attempt to pile on unsuccessfully.
 

Exophase

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While I'm glad that Stein got her MI recount blocked (saving us taxpayers several million dollars) I'm a little sad it didn't go all the way. It would have been nice to see if and where there were any issues with the vote.

Why would the recount cost taxpayers several million dollars? They were all making Stein pay for it, and she was raising funding via private donations.
 

JSt0rm

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More elitism from you, not surprised. I never said TN is why WW2 ended. I said the nukes built that stopped WW2 were built there as an offering that the South has provided something of substance. There are countless examples. Only a fool would disagree. But since you didn't voice your disagreement in that, I guess I know where you stand. I refuted with facts (as did others) an ignorant claim that the South has never offered anything good. Instead of acknowledging the fact it was a dumb post, you and others attempt to pile on unsuccessfully.

I am elite. The south did give us bicuits and gravy. But they didnt give us nukes. Them liberal scienti did that.
 

pcgeek11

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pretty much every area of the country can make the same claims though. Chicago was a music mecca for a very long time, NYC the same, Detroit, ditto. But the creation of the flag was long prior to any of that. So I ask again, what heritage are you proud of that the flag represents other than identifying it as a traitorous wannabe nation?

I agree that every area of the country has their own great contributions. I never claimed otherwise. Of course along with that goes all areas also have their bad side also, such as Chicago's slaughter of young blacks for no reason.

I haven't been discussing the flag, At All. You must have me confused with someone else. I was only talking about things the south has contributed to the country other than "slavery, sweet tea and Disneyworld". As was stated by PixelSquish:

Not really. I can't think of a goddamn thing the South has given us of a very notable nature besides slavery, sweet tea, and disneyworld.

Sorry to pop your racist rant with reality.
 
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werepossum

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Liberalism is freedom of religion.

Liberalism is the right of individuals to be free of undue attacks on their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Liberalism is not anti-war unless that war is contrary to the tenets of liberalism. For example, were the Barbary Wars contrary to the tenets of liberalism?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
For that quoted definition, I would say liberalism is practically the definition of Western enlightenment. Classical liberalism (sometimes as secular humanism, sometimes as Judeo-Christian philosophy expressed in a non-mandatory fashion) gave us virtually everything we hold dear. Classical liberalism took us from the universal concept of kings/emperors/Popes/Cardinals/etc. ruling more or less totally as a Devine right to the American ideal of every man a king and every man born equal, from the concept of might makes right (or Devine coincidence makes right) to no just rule without the consent of those ruled. Our religion gave us much of what we treasure, but without classical liberalism, we would still practice Christianity by giving Caesar his due - which is near-total rule on secular matters simply because he is Caesar.

However, your definition shows the validity of bshole's point. Proggies would argue that safe spaces and prohibition of non-approved words and even thoughts are prohibiting unreasonable attacks. They cannot be happy if anyone is allowed any diversity of opinion; therefore such dissenting opinions are unreasonable attacks. Some of them cannot be happy if a white person can be seen; therefore a dorm prohibiting whites is merely guarding against the unreasonable attacks whites commit by existing. Or if you prefer: We had to destroy classical liberalism in order to advance it.

It should be apparent from those two widely divergent definitions that any meaningful critique of liberalism requires either specific juxtapositions to other philosophies or definition within very narrow criteria.