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Here we go....UK threatens Saadam with nukes.

ThePresence

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$W4L5OSYAAAQILQFIQMGSFF4AVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2002/03/21/niraq21.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/03/21/ixport.html

EDIT: since I cant get the link to work (dunno why) here's the story:

UK warns Saddam of nuclear retaliation
By George Jones, Political Editor and Anton La Guardia
(Filed: 21/03/2002)


BRITAIN would be ready to make a nuclear strike against states such as Iraq if they used weapons of mass destruction against British forces, Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told MPs yesterday.

He issued his warning as officials in Washington and London privately predicted that military action to try to topple Saddam Hussein was likely to be launched at the end of the year.

Mr Hoon was briefing the Commons defence select committee on the threat posed by four countries Britain had identified as "states of concern": Iraq, Iran, Libya and North Korea.

He said that Saddam had already used chemical weapons against his own people. The possibility that rogue states would be prepared to use such weapons again, possibly sacrificing their own population, could not be ruled out.

He said that dictators such as Saddam "can be absolutely confident that in the right conditions we would be willing to use our nuclear weapons.

"What I cannot be absolutely confident about is whether that would be sufficient to deter them from using a weapon of mass destruction in the first place."

Mr Hoon's willingness to confirm readiness to use nuclear weapons in such circumstances was seen at Westminster as a clear sign that the Government is becoming more alarmed that Saddam is developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

A joint Ministry of Defence and Foreign Office paper to the committee said it was a "serious cause for concern" that states were developing a ballistic missile capability at the same time as they were seeking to acquire weapons of mass destruction.

Mr Hoon said that Britain could come within range of missiles fired from the Middle East within the "next few years".

Although Mr Hoon later denied in the Commons that any decision had been taken on military action against Iraq, his comments about the nuclear deterrent will add to Labour MPs' concern that such preparations are being actively considered.

His forthrightness was unexpected, because many Labour MPs are opposed to retaining nuclear weapons.

In the 1980s Labour was unilateralist and Tony Blair was briefly a member of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, although as party leader he has backed the nuclear deterrent.

Mr Hoon's comments follow similar noises from America. Two weeks ago a leaked Pentagon policy document laid out the possibility of a "devastating response" to the use of biological or chemical weapons against American troops.

The Prime Minister intends to use the large deployment of British fighting forces to Afghanistan as a political lever to push President Bush into seeking United Nations approval for any military action against Iraq.

He supports Mr Bush in his campaign to remove Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and topple Saddam, but wants to broaden the front.

Downing Street hopes the deployment to Afghanistan of 1,700 British troops, led by 45 Commando the Royal Marines, a unit specialising in Arctic warfare, will strengthen his position when he meets Mr Bush at his Texas ranch after Easter.

"The speed and size of the deployment to Afghanistan is a cheque that Blair will cash in," a source said. "He will tell Bush that he needs to carry the international community with him."

The Foreign Office, in particular, is deeply worried about the impact that a war in Iraq would have on the Middle East. But it appears to have been overruled by Mr Blair.

"The Prime Minister thinks Saddam poses a threat that has to be met with a strong response," a source said. "He is feeling gung-ho."

Whitehall officials said that America first made its request for commandos at the height of Operation Anaconda this month in a "panicky" response to the unexpectedly fierce resistance Taliban and al-Qa'eda fighters put up in the mountains south of Kabul.

The United States suffered its biggest casualties of the war on the opening day of Anaconda, when eight Americans and at least three Afghan allies were killed.

This week America said Anaconda had been successful, but British officials privately spoke of "a near disaster" and said many guerrillas appeared to have slipped away despite American claims to have killed hundreds of the enemy.

Dick Cheney, the American vice-president, headed home yesterday after an 11-day tour of the Middle East in which he received little support for an attack on Iraq. Instead he was urged to do more to end the fighting between Israel and the Palestinians.

As Iraq gloated about Mr Cheney's "bitter disappointment", the Turkish prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, said he felt greatly relieved that Washington was not planning imminent action against Iraq.

"This does not mean an operation has been ruled out," he said. "But I do not think there could be military action in the coming few months."



 


<< BRITAIN would be ready to make a nuclear strike against states such as Iraq if they used weapons of mass destruction against British forces, Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told MPs yesterday. >>



Well no shlt, as would every other country who has more than $10 invested in their national defense
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<< nothing the U.S. and USSR (or Russia now) haven't said to each other since after ww2. >>



It wasn't usually a spoken threat, it was understood by both sides.
 


<< I beg to differ.
It was spoken on multiple occasions!
>>



Really? when? (unsarcastic). Besides for the missle crisis, when was it spoken out? when did one side actually threaten to nuke the other?
 
"It wasn't usually a spoken threat, it was understood by both sides. "

**Takes off shoe, beats shoe on table, I will bury you!!!!**

Ok, now we have an understanding. 😉

Don't see how this is any surprise to anyone personally.


What's a nuc? you mean a nuke?
 


<< "It wasn't usually a spoken threat, it was understood by both sides. "

**Takes off shoe, beats shoe on table, I will bury you!!!!**

Ok, now we have an understanding. 😉

Don't see how this is any surprise to anyone personally.


What's a nuc? you mean a nuke?
>>



there Capn, I fixed the topic for you. Please excuse my temporary brain lapse.
 
It was bad politically to threaten a nuclear war, either in the Soviet Union or the US. But when you have a few thousands war heads, you really don't need to state it explicitly 😉.
 


<< It was bad politically to threaten a nuclear war, either in the Soviet Union or the US. But when you have a few thousands war heads, you really don't need to state it explicitly 😉. >>



But I'm sure it's worse when you DO state it.
 
I remember watching a Cold War show on the history channel and there were threats and rhetoric made on both sides. I will look for a a link, but it may be hard to find a link to something a senator said back in the 70's.🙂
Not like push the button threats, mostly rhetoric.
 


<< I remember watching a Cold War show on the history channel and there were threats and rhetoric made on both sides. I will look for a a link, but it may be hard to find a link to something a senator said back in the 70's.🙂
Not like push the button threats, mostly rhetoric.
>>




Those were empty threats. If the US ever launched a nuke, USSR would have launched several back in a matter of minutes and vice versa.

As we saw, no one was dumb enough to use nukes back then.

This is different, as Britain has little to fear if it uses a nuke.
 
I highly doubt that Saddam would be that stupid. He just spend his billion of dollars sponsoring terrorisms, and let some mullah take the blame.
 
wasnt it bush sr who sorta set the precedence before the gulf war that any "WMD" weapons of mass destruction, inlcuding biological or chemical that were used in that engagement would be responded with a nuclear retaliation.

they say thats 'possibly' why saddam didnt use them, that or he didnt trust the quality of his bio/chem delivery system... im sure one or two scuds went off course, probably didnt watn to risk breating in his own disease.

When bush said that, back in 1990 or whenever, that was a major policy shift.

as far as i can remember
 
i guess they're just saying they arne't like the rest of wussy europe who want to coddle saddamn😛

I think its more if Bush wants a scrap with Saddam then we do too.

BRITAIN would be ready to make a nuclear strike against states such as Iraq if they used weapons of mass destruction against British forces, Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told MPs yesterday.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
 


<< BRITAIN would be ready to make a nuclear strike against states such as Iraq if they used weapons of mass destruction against British forces, Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told MPs yesterday.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
>>

Yeah, I don't see what all the fuss is about here. The keyword here is "if". This is just a combination of the usual tough talk plus an extra-special reminder to Saddam not to do anything incredibly stupid. If there is a nuclear holocaust on the horizon I think India and Pakistan are still the top candidates to initiate it, not Iraq and the UK.
 
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