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Blue_Max

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Considering what he told him during the argument , "He (Mormon) voted for Trump and he would be gone next week" and he said this to a hispanic man. Isn't that basically hate speech?

Hate speech? What made it hate speech, other than you hated it.

This. This is why "progressives" are pushing HARD for the speech=violence narrative, including Sarkeesian whining for this same thing to the United Nations.
If someone says something you don't like (and progressives can classify it as WrongThink / HateSpeech) then it justifies them killing that offender in... *sigh* "self defense".

These Orwellian lunatics can't be allowed to run the asylum any longer.
 
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momeNt

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People that think they are sanely cheering on the anti-trump hysteria, spam posting links about all the terrible things Trump MIGHT do, and who his cabinet MIGHT be, and all the horrendous things MIGHT happen, are actually the cause of this.

You may think that you won't lose control yourself by egging on the hysteria, but you are pushing people over the edge. The man who committed this act of violence was pushed to the edge by the anti-trump propaganda that everybody is drowning themselves in so that they can feel better about the election results.
 
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IronWing

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People that think they are sanely cheering on the anti-trump hysteria, spam posting links about all the terrible things Trump MIGHT do, and who his cabinet MIGHT be, and all the horrendous things MIGHT happen, are actually the cause of this.

You may think that you won't lose control yourself by egging on the hysteria, but you are pushing people over the edge. The man who committed this act of violence was pushed to the edge by the anti-trump propaganda that everybody is drowning themselves in so that they can feel better about the election results.
Rubbish. We have no idea why the perp might have shot the guy, none. People are violent because they choose to be violent.
 

realibrad

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Hate speech? What made it hate speech, other than you hated it.

This. This is why "progressives" are pushing HARD for the speech=violence narrative, including Sarkeesian whining for this same thing to the United Nations.
If someone says something you don't like (and progressives can classify it as WrongThink / HateSpeech) then it justifies them killing that offender in... *sigh* "self defense".

These Orwellian lunatics can't be allowed to run the asylum any longer.

Bro, you hurt your image so badly.

If the comment was that he would be deported for being Mexican, then its anti-Mexican speech. Without going into the pedantic meaning of Hate vs anti, just know that this would qualify as highly insulting either way. Nobody has the right to murder someone because they feel something is disrespectful, but your point is dumb. You take a good point, and run off with it. You are literally doing a Sarkeesian when you do that.
 
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Hate speech? What made it hate speech, other than you hated it.

This. This is why "progressives" are pushing HARD for the speech=violence narrative, including Sarkeesian whining for this same thing to the United Nations.
If someone says something you don't like (and progressives can classify it as WrongThink / HateSpeech) then it justifies them killing that offender in... *sigh* "self defense".

These Orwellian lunatics can't be allowed to run the asylum any longer.
yes, we need the level minded bannon, and drumpf and preibus and gingrich to say what's right and what's wrong!! maxi-pad in meltdown from canada reporting in.
 

TechBoyJK

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Calling it murder is making the judgment. Yes there was a death, and the circumstances define whether or not it was murder.

Threatening hate speech could potentially be a viable defense for using his gun and shooting them.

You're not right.
 

HomerJS

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When did he say murder was acceptable?
The exact quote was...

"I could shoot someone in the street and my supporters wouldn't care"

Last I remember if you shoot someone in the street you not shooting to graze.
 

realibrad

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The exact quote was...

"I could shoot someone in the street and my supporters wouldn't care"

Last I remember if you shoot someone in the street you not shooting to graze.

Wait, so Trump said he could do it and people would still vote for him, and that is the same thing as saying murder is acceptable? Its no wonder so many on the Left did not turn out to vote.
 

Starbuck1975

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People need some accountability. This was not a Trump supporter killing a non Trump supporter. This is a guy killing someone for being a Trump supporter. Let that sink in. Someone was murdered for being a Trump supporter. For all the dumb shit that Trump represents, how many people have been killed for being a Hillary supporter?
No Hillary supporters have been murdered for being so, but they all continue to die a little bit more inside everyday
 

Zorba

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People need some accountability. This was not a Trump supporter killing a non Trump supporter. This is a guy killing someone for being a Trump supporter. Let that sink in. Someone was murdered for being a Trump supporter. For all the dumb shit that Trump represents, how many people have been killed for being a Hillary supporter?

Sounds much more like he got killed because he got into an argument with someone leaving a bar at 3 am, and one or both was likely drunk. The shooter should be charged, of course, but I think the motivation probably has a lot more to drunk people arguing than presidential politics. The guy was not shot for simply wearing a Trump shirt.
 
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Darwin333

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Calling it murder is making the judgment. Yes there was a death, and the circumstances define whether or not it was murder.

Threatening hate speech could potentially be a viable defense for using his gun and shooting them.

No speech whatsoever makes it acceptable or legal to leave the situation to get a gun and then come back and shoot two people, killing one. He left and came back, meaning that if there was any sort of real problem he could have called the police to handle it since he was safely away from the situation.
 

werepossum

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Calling it murder is making the judgment. Yes there was a death, and the circumstances define whether or not it was murder.

Threatening hate speech could potentially be a viable defense for using his gun and shooting them.
lol It's never murder as long as the "right" people get killed, eh?
 
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Darwin333

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going by what the story said, it was more the threat of deportation than fact he voted for drumpf. but that is solely based on the testimony from the story.
even by that, it was a heinous act of violence and the guy should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.

How do you even call that a threat since the guy has and will 99.99% never have the ability to actually deport the guy. It would be like me saying that I'm going to pass a law making your ugly haircut illegal. It's a "threat" with absolutely zero weight behind it.
 

Zaap

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No speech whatsoever makes it acceptable or legal to leave the situation to get a gun and then come back and shoot two people, killing one. He left and came back, meaning that if there was any sort of real problem he could have called the police to handle it since he was safely away from the situation.
Respect for those simply able to step back for a second and call things as they are.

If someone is to the point they are making excuses for this kind of thing... for f's sake get off your knees and get your political puppetmaster's schlong out of your throat already, its cutting off oxygen to your already feeble mind.

There's no excuse for shit like this on either side.

Party sycophants need to get a grip... on reality, not further on your puppetmaster.
 
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purbeast0

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I always forget how many stupid people post on these forums until threads like this pop up.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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You could "jokingly" say you're going to find a rope and a tall tree to a marginalized group in America, but don't complain to me when your ass gets shot.

Yes, the hispanic guy shooting him was wrong, but what the guy said was also wrong. That we can all agree on I think.

He may have not even been a Trump supporter, but he definitely knew which buttons to push.

I can push buttons here all day like the rest of us. You might say that's wrong. You could also say that if one person found out where another lived and shot them dead the guy on the internet was wrong too. You could say that, like gassing Jews and running a red light are both wrong.
 
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Wait, so Trump said he could do it and people would still vote for him, and that is the same thing as saying murder is acceptable? Its no wonder so many on the Left did not turn out to vote.

If it was unacceptable wouldnt his supports think he should be tried for murder instead of for president?
 

Corn

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Sad subject.

Even sadder to see people defending the murderer. A lot has been made about the "deplorables" that support Trump, but the majority of the most vocally racist people I have come into contact with are union workers that overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Now I witness lefties trying to justify murder over words as acceptable behavior. Even if not outright justification, there is still the racist implication that a minority individual shouldn't be expected to think rationally enough to walk away from an insult without killing someone over it.

Fuck some people are just pathetic.
 
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bshole

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Sounds much more like he got killed because he got into an argument with someone leaving a bar at 3 am, and one or both was likely drunk. The shooter should be charged, of course, but I think the motivation probably has a lot more to drunk people arguing than presidential politics. The guy was not shot for simply wearing a Trump shirt.

Yea that was my impression as well. Two belligerent drunk assholes shooting off their mouths.

I am damn lucky I got out of my 20's alive. I absolutely LOVED being a belligerent drunk asshole. Now I have to settle for belligerent sober asshole.
 
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Bird222

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People need some accountability. This was not a Trump supporter killing a non Trump supporter. This is a guy killing someone for being a Trump supporter. Let that sink in. Someone was murdered for being a Trump supporter. For all the dumb shit that Trump represents, how many people have been killed for being a Hillary supporter?

Give it time.
 

bshole

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More seriously, there may be a logical fallacy here (confirmation bias). Personally, I don't believe this incident proves anything about Trump supporters/detractors in general but it may prove something about the effect of alcohol on male subjects. Perhaps that is just my confirmation bias though....
 
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realibrad

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If it was unacceptable wouldnt his supports think he should be tried for murder instead of for president?

Using hyperbole to establish that his voting base was loyal does not in any reasonable way establish that he is saying murder is acceptable.

You honestly believe his statement that people are so loyal that he could, is the same thing as saying that its acceptable to murder people?