Here We Go Again, Texas Edition - Man Killed Trying To Pick Up Son

[shortylickens]

And again I have to say this: According to the law its not self defense if you instigate the violence. And once again the guy will probably get off because juries are made up of morons.

 

[TheVrolok]

And again I have to say this: According to the law its not self defense if you instigate the violence. And once again the guy will probably get off because juries are made up of morons.

All depends on where you define the instigation. Does the victim showing up initially count? After that's it's just escalation after escalation. Also, juries are made up from everyday average folks so as you said .. kinda morons.

 

[mikeymikec]

What gun law would you propose that would have prevented this from happening?

I have no idea; my interest is in America throwing out 2A entirely and I know that for that to happen in an ideal manner public opinion in America would have to change dramatically, the police would need to be reformed, supply of guns and ammo curtailed dramatically, huge amounts of firearms and ammo turned in for destruction, firearms licences granted to only those who need them for professional reasons. The likelihood of it happening IMO in our reality is similar to the likelihood of humanity adopting the kind of culture one sees on Star Trek.

PS: I have no interest in engaging in another 2A discussion. It's like listening to blackangst1 go on about how abortion is murder but he's ok with it in the case of rape.

 

[MrSquished]

This is the America the conservative gun nuts embrace and want. They created it, so this is who they are.

Absolutely disgusting insane people.

 

[pcgeek11]

Holy shit the most insane thing about that video is just how little reaction there is to a dude just getting killed. These people are fucking insane.

I would be surprised if the shooter didn't walk, though. Texas. Guns. "Self defense."

Two aggressive dudes, one at the home of the other, victim reaches for shooter's gun, shooter kills him. Ezpz self defense. This is the country we live in.

I was also surprised / shocked at the casual attitude of everyone after the shooting. Nobody even tried to attend to the dude that was shot.

There was plenty of crazy to go around in that family.

 

[sandorski]

He has the legal standing to defend his property from the aggressor with lethal force (I believe, in Texas) and despite presenting with a weapon, the victim took a more aggressive posture and then touched the gun. As I said earlier, I'd be shocked if this isn't self-defense easily.

What Property needed Defending?

 

[TheVrolok]

What Property needed Defending?

Shrug, who knows. Victim was trespassing, shooter was protecting person and property - or so the story I'm sure will go.

 

[sandorski]

Women are being Jailed for Miscarriages of non-sentient clumps of cells, Dudes are being heralded as Heroes for shooting mature Sentient members of society....only in America.

That said, Dude seemed way out of line. The Cops should have been called and relied upon to help resolve the issue.

 

[gothuevos]

I wonder with the increased prevalence of events like this being video'd whether that will have a generally humanizing or dehumanizing effect on the American public's perspectives on gun violence. I'm amazed at the idea that anyone could watch that video and think "good shoot", but I've been in enough 2A discussions to be confident of its inevitability.

For example, in a sane world I'd expect if a decent video was taken of a school shooting in all its horror and pointlessness that the American public would take overwhelmingly to the streets to demand a change in gun laws, but I can't help but think that the general reaction would be <shrug>.

We had 20+ kids killed at Sandy Hook and nobody batted an eye.

 

[gothuevos]

He has the legal standing to defend his property from the aggressor with lethal force (I believe, in Texas) and despite presenting with a weapon, the victim took a more aggressive posture and then touched the gun. As I said earlier, I'd be shocked if this isn't self-defense easily.

I don't disagree with you, but I wonder what would happen if let's say the victim had instead wrestled the gun away and killed the owner with it, then claimed self defense?

Like I said in the other thread, self defense goes to whoever is left standing, it seems.

 

[TheVrolok]

I don't disagree with you, but I wonder what would happen if let's say the victim had instead wrestled the gun away and killed the owner with it, then claimed self defense?

Like I said in the other thread, self defense goes to whoever is left standing, it seems.

I would agree that it's generally better to be the only one left alive in these sorts of scenarios.

 

[MrSquished]

There didn't seem to be any threat of violence about to happen until the gun came out to play.

If the guy was being jerked around by his ex wife with custody, I mean it's pretty normal to be a bit irate. He said he was going to use the courts, subpoena them - he didn't seem to make personal threats. I guess you can't even raise your voice these days to a snowflake gun nut.

But gun nuts eat this shit up. This is the society they fantasize about.

It's clear as day gun nuts just haven't evolved with much of the rest of humanity.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We had 20+ kids killed at Sandy Hook and nobody batted an eye.

That's just one example.

 

[cytg111]

that was a fucking execution.

 

[himkhan]

I'm curious what others think, too. We have some forum residents from Texas who I would think know the law down there like the back of their hand when it comes to these situations. It doesn't matter whether they were D or R or what the Fox position is Was that warning shot next to his feet legal? In response if deceased Dad had a his own pcc and put two in him first would he have been within his rights to defend himself? Why is this a thing to begin with.

What happened to fist fighting, not kicking a downed opponent in the head, and actually helping the other guy up, shaking hands and maybe even going out to have a beer? This fucking place not to mention the callousness of filming a death and not being aware or caring anyone is actually dead or rendering aid.

 

[eelw]

Yes insensitive, but once less orange monkey voter

 

[gothuevos]

I'm curious what others think, too. We have some forum residents from Texas who I would think know the law down there like the back of their hand when it comes to these situations. It doesn't matter whether they were D or R or what the Fox position is Was that warning shot next to his feet legal? In response if deceased Dad had a his own pcc and put two in him first would he have been within his rights to defend himself? Why is this a thing to begin with.

What happened to fist fighting, not kicking a downed opponent in the head, and actually helping the other guy up, shaking hands and maybe even going out to have a beer? This fucking place not to mention the callousness of filming a death and not being aware or caring anyone is actually dead or rendering aid.

The casualness afterwards is what got me.

 

[kage69]

Right in front of the kids. Could have gone inside and let the cops deal with it, but no, someone's talking shit on my lawn.

A man is dead and the shooter now probably has a lucrative culture war career ahead of him with Fox Noise appearances; this shooting will be celebrated and will happen again and again.

Texas. What a hole.

 

[soundforbjt]

The casualness afterwards is what got me.

Just like Rittenhouse, no empathy or remorse.

 

[ivwshane]

We had 20+ kids killed at Sandy Hook and nobody batted an eye.

That’s not really fair, a lot of people did give their thoughts and prayers

 

[kage69]

We had 20+ kids killed at Sandy Hook and nobody batted an eye.

You should stick to your doom and gloom predictions and love of being scared. Or maybe try researching things before you post on them, perhaps specify who you are talking about.

Everybody 'batted an eye' after Sandy Hook, communities nowhere near Sandy Hook were crying over it for weeks. It horrified parents coast to coast. Guess you didn't hear about the behind doors reaction to it from the NRA. "Chaos," was enough to create Wayne LaPierre's 'silent no more' initiative. So no, you're completely wrong.

3 seconds of google: Wayne Lapierre 'worried about going to jail'

 

[Matt390]

He shot at the guy's feet and missed. That makes it not self defense.

 

[ondma]

Duty to retreat maybe.

Maybe not a "gun law" per se, but I agree with the concept. Using lethal force should be a last resort, not the go to standard. I think it will be difficult to ever get rid of guns themselves, but certainly making a more reasonable standard for their use in "self defense" would go a long way to eliminating needless killings.

Edit: we also should have a national gun ownership and use of force law, so we dont have states that seem to think we should be back in the wild, wild west.

 

[ondma]

And again I have to say this: According to the law its not self defense if you instigate the violence. And once again the guy will probably get off because juries are made up of morons.

Well, Rittenhouse instigated the violence in Kenosha by walking around in a volatile situation openly carrying an AR-15, but he got away with it and is now a hero of the Right.

 

[ondma]

Just like Rittenhouse, no empathy or remorse.

Yea, dont want to derail this back to a KR thread, but that is what is so unforgiveable to me about KR. I could accept (somewhat) that he was overly enthusiastic and got in over his head if he showed some remorse.