HERE THE PII IS AT NEWEGG!!!!

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: gammaray

Originally posted by: Leyawiin The Empire won Luke.

Only a battle young padawan.

hard to say. always in motion is the Future.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: Geraldo8022
I don't need a quad. I'm talking value. The "apples to apples", for me, is cpu to cpu. Get it?

So comparisons are only logical according to what you think is right? Oh I get it.

If we're comparing cpu's to cpu's then I guess a Pentium=Athlon X2=C2D=C2Q=PII=CI7.

Just because you can't afford a C2Q/PII/Ci7 doesn't mean that quads are overpriced or doesn't hold any value.

And I'm sure people who are considering a ~$250 quad processor are looking at a e7300.

Its almost like saying to a dealer "I'm looking for a lambo". Then the dealer replying "Well we got these Saturns for sale".

 

[Soulkeeper]

impressive

i see this as a direct competitor to my current Q9450

what will really excite me is when AMD comes out with 6 cores solutions to compete with intel's 4 core HT enabled i7's

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
impressive

i see this as a direct competitor to my current Q9450

what will really excite me is when AMD comes out with 6 cores solutions to compete with intel's 4 core HT enabled i7's

Do you really see 6 cores as viable?

They say that AMD won't have anything new until 2011, if it can survive that long as a company.

I have a feeling we'll see something before then, but that's what they're saying officially as of right now.

 

[Soulkeeper]

6 cores would be atleast as viable as the 3 core solutions they've already released
8 cores would be pushing the transitor count too high imo

they'll survive

 

[imported_SLIM]

Isn't istanbul due this Fall?? 6 phenom II cores instead of 4 sounds decent.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
They say that AMD won't have anything new until 2011, if it can survive that long as a company.

It's survived for almost 40 years (since May 1, 1969)...

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
6 cores would be atleast as viable as the 3 core solutions they've already released
8 cores would be pushing the transitor count too high imo

they'll survive

Yield loss from random defects increases as the square of the relative die-size.

2x larger die means 4x larger likelihood of any given chip being non-functional from random defects (particles, voids, process variability, etc).

A 6core is far less viable than a 3core chip unless the ASP's are commensurately higher to account for the assured reduction in yield for the 6core chip.

Intel's price structure for Dunnington is in part a reflection of this "on the ground" reality of manufacturing processes.

The server market segment is about the only viable option for extracting the higher APS's needed to offset the significantly higher cost-basis for chips with >300mm^2 die sizes.

I can see Intel doing 8-core Beckton on 45nm and AMD doing 6-core Instanbul on 45nm but I don't see either attempting to sell these chips for less than $2k.

 

[AkumaX]

I honestly, honestly thought that you meant NewEgg put up by accident, a Pentium II for sale. I was going to say, psh, give me my Celeron 300A any time...

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
impressive

i see this as a direct competitor to my current Q9450

what will really excite me is when AMD comes out with 6 cores solutions to compete with intel's 4 core HT enabled i7's

Do you really see 6 cores as viable?

They say that AMD won't have anything new until 2011, if it can survive that long as a company.

I have a feeling we'll see something before then, but that's what they're saying officially as of right now.

AMD really needs to drop the L3 cache to have a cost competitive part. Phenom and Phenom 2 are too expensive for the performance, dropping the L3 cache would save a good percent of the die. That could translate either to cost savings, or give them the die space needed to throw on 2 more cores. Though, multithreaded performance would be hurt without the L3 cache, but until AMD adds hyperthreading they're going to need more cores to compete with the i7s.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
impressive

i see this as a direct competitor to my current Q9450

what will really excite me is when AMD comes out with 6 cores solutions to compete with intel's 4 core HT enabled i7's

Do you really see 6 cores as viable?

They say that AMD won't have anything new until 2011, if it can survive that long as a company.

I have a feeling we'll see something before then, but that's what they're saying officially as of right now.

AMD really needs to drop the L3 cache to have a cost competitive part. Phenom and Phenom 2 are too expensive for the performance, dropping the L3 cache would save a good percent of the die. That could translate either to cost savings, or give them the die space needed to throw on 2 more cores. Though, multithreaded performance would be hurt without the L3 cache, but until AMD adds hyperthreading they're going to need more cores to compete with the i7s.

If that's your logic then they should be selling crappy 45nm Phenom 1's, seeing as the only real addition to the Phenom 2 was more cache.

AMD is making a tri-core P2. IMO that will be a sweet chip if it's around $100 (and it probably will be).

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
6 cores would be atleast as viable as the 3 core solutions they've already released
8 cores would be pushing the transitor count too high imo

they'll survive

Yield loss from random defects increases as the square of the relative die-size.

2x larger die means 4x larger likelihood of any given chip being non-functional from random defects (particles, voids, process variability, etc).

A 6core is far less viable than a 3core chip unless the ASP's are commensurately higher to account for the assured reduction in yield for the 6core chip.

Intel's price structure for Dunnington is in part a reflection of this "on the ground" reality of manufacturing processes.

The server market segment is about the only viable option for extracting the higher APS's needed to offset the significantly higher cost-basis for chips with >300mm^2 die sizes.

I can see Intel doing 8-core Beckton on 45nm and AMD doing 6-core Instanbul on 45nm but I don't see either attempting to sell these chips for less than $2k.

we'll see

 

[RallyMaster]

Definitely waiting for Intel's price cuts on their quad cores.

 

[SickBeast]

Has newegg released the Phenom II 920 yet?

The 940 is overpriced IMO.

 

[Tempered81]

yah the egg has a phII 920 w/ mobo combo for $295

bottom left of screen:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103472

 

[Dorkenstein]

If I want to go quad core and not buy i7/ddr3, would a phenom II suffice or should I pay more and get a Q9550? I am just curious for upgrade ideas, haven't pored through all the Phenom II reviews to find a definitive answer. Thanks.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: Dorkenstein
If I want to go quad core and not buy i7/ddr3, would a phenom II suffice or should I pay more and get a Q9550? I am just curious for upgrade ideas, haven't pored through all the Phenom II reviews to find a definitive answer. Thanks.

According to the review, including Anandtech.

At the Phenom II's price range it edges out Intel's offerings slightly.

To remedy this, Intel plans to price cut the Q9550 so that it competes with Phenom II 940, which the Q9550 does outperform.

So you can either get the Phenom II now, or wait until the C2Q's are cheaper.

 

[OCNewbie]

Intel i7 920's are $229.99 + tax at MicroCenter B&M if you have one of those nearby.

Link

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie
Intel i7 920's are $229.99 + tax at MicroCenter B&M if you have one of those nearby.

Link

How much is the motherboard and DDR3 for that? Have they come down in price yet?

BTW, that 920 you linked says $279, not $229...

 

[Phynaz]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: OCNewbie
Intel i7 920's are $229.99 + tax at MicroCenter B&M if you have one of those nearby.

Link

How much is the motherboard and DDR3 for that? Have they come down in price yet?

BTW, that 920 you linked says $279, not $229...

Yes, they have. DDR3 is falling rapidly, while DDR2 is going up due to production cuts.

 

[OCNewbie]

I guess the $229.99 ended yesterday. Was ongoing for a few days at least.