Because these types of threads always degrade into the type of thing you see in P&N all the time, hence it should be there with all the other flaming and name calling.
Because these types of threads always degrade into the type of thing you see in P&N all the time, hence it should be there with all the other flaming and name calling.
Are you saved? If so, how long ago were you saved?
Other curious questions come to mind. Do you believe that you can gain and then lose your salvation? Do you believe in predestination? Have you been baptised in water and/or spirit?
Gunslinger08
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There's no real way to know if you're saved. I believe I am.
Yes, you can gain and lose your salvation. Not through actions, but through not believing and for not truly regretting your wrongs.
No, I do not believe in predestination.
Yes, I have been baptised. I was confirmed at the age of 14. About 8 years ago.
There's no real way to know if you're saved or not?! What?? If you doubt it, you're not. If you can't tell the difference between your dead soul and the soul sparked to life through the divine touch by grace through faith, then you are not saved.
You need to find a better "spiritual father" or pastor or whatever you want to call the person who is mentoring you in the development of your doctrine.
I'm not even going to bother touching the other subjects.
Gunslinger08
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Gunslinger08
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Sure
I've been baptized by both, skipping details on which I believe to be necessary for salvation. I grew up in the church but wasn't saved until junior high. I'm not sure whether you can lose your salvation or not, still "seeking answers" on that one. I do not believe in predestination.
Gunslinger08
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Originally posted by: Nik
Sure
I've been baptized by both, skipping details on which I believe to be necessary for salvation. I grew up in the church but wasn't saved until junior high. I'm not sure whether you can lose your salvation or not, still "seeking answers" on that one. I do not believe in predestination.
The only reason I say that you can't know for sure if you're saved is because I think it's a little overconfident. I think it's always healthy to have a little doubt, so that I don't grow complacent.
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Nik
Sure
I've been baptized by both, skipping details on which I believe to be necessary for salvation. I grew up in the church but wasn't saved until junior high. I'm not sure whether you can lose your salvation or not, still "seeking answers" on that one. I do not believe in predestination.
The only reason I say that you can't know for sure if you're saved is because I think it's a little overconfident. I think it's always healthy to have a little doubt, so that I don't grow complacent.
Ah, a system of checks-and-balances? That may work for Uncle Sam, but not necessarily for Elohim
Confidence is a two-sided sword, but doubt didn't do much for Thomas, my friend. The closer you get to a personal relationship, the more confident you'll become and it's not a bad thing.
meltdown75
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The free will is the choice to become a Christian or not. It is the choice you make to choose Jesus as your Lord and Savior. As a Christian, I put God first in my life, therefore I ask for His guidance daily through prayer and I put all of my trust in Him. My prayers have nothing to do with the free will choice. I already made my choice long ago.
I also like this:
I also like this:
Nocturnal
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Just recently I started to think like this and when I pray I try to correct myself I am being selfish. I agree with what you said. Praying and asking for a new car or what not isn't the right way to do it but as you said, pray for the wisdow to complete school for a degree or to pray for the knowledge needed to perform your job well and then you will see rewards.
Nocturnal
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Nik
Sure
I've been baptized by both, skipping details on which I believe to be necessary for salvation. I grew up in the church but wasn't saved until junior high. I'm not sure whether you can lose your salvation or not, still "seeking answers" on that one. I do not believe in predestination.
The only reason I say that you can't know for sure if you're saved is because I think it's a little overconfident. I think it's always healthy to have a little doubt, so that I don't grow complacent.
Maybe you're mixing up what you're thinking. Saved does not mean you're going straight to heaven as soon as you die. Saved is what I believe to be part of the very many requirements. However, nobody knows if he or she will get into heaven. So I'm sure you can know you're saved and not be overconfident but when you ask yourself will I make it to heaven and say yes I will, that is being overconfident.
Actually, no. That is Politics and News. Does this thread involve either? Oh wait, no, it doesn't.
Wow, so many people here are in the dark about what we, Christians, actually beleive. I'm not trying to mock anyone, it's just suprising and rather frustrating that people(nonspecific) are so willing to mock a person and system of beleifs when they don't know what they're mocking. It is sad to see the lack of respect that people have for each other, and frankly it seems a bit lopsided.
^$0.02
^$0.02
Kadarin
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Which means what, exactly?
On another note:
A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church yesterday when he was adjusting a microphone while standing in water.
God:
1. Wanted this pastor to die.
2. Could give a rat's ass about the pastor.
3. Does not exist.
If 2 or 3, then there is utterly no point to religion. If #1, then do we really want to worship this "God" anyway?
You say died like it's a bad thing. Sure, it sucks for those who are left here without him, but that's a fixation of humans- we get attached to things and would rather have them be here with us on earth than enjoying heaven. Rather selfish.
Religions differ from cults.
Cults:
-Extremist fanatical religious group that seeks to control members' thoughts and behaviour
-Don't let people think for themself
-Target vulnerable, lonely, and naive
-Employ techniques that require blind, unthinking obedience from their members
-Usually require members to cut off or strictly limit contact with families and former friends, warning that these people endager their "salvation"
-Bland diet, sleep deprivation, extremely routine tasks, and a bombardment of "loving" attention from group members adds to the numbing of a recruit's judgement
Religion:
-You are invited to establish a relationship with god
-Free to choose
-Recognize and support that religious belief as a relationship with god that one must assent freely
It must be admitted, however, that religious freedom has not always been a priority with religions and Churches. The Catholic Church today does urge religious freedom, as do most mainstream Christian Churches(aka, real ones).
"One of my main arguments with the christian religeon is praying and asking god for help. Because if he did help you in any way wouldn't that be affecting the supposed free will he has given us."
I think what you're talking about is fate. God greatly wants our fate to change from what we're born into. Moreso, he wants a relationship with us. However, he has given us the choice to do what we want to. If I'm asking God for help, isn't that the embodiment of free will?
Kadarin
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All things considered, I think both you and I would much prefer to be alive than dead. I also think the pastor in question would prefer to be alive at this point.
"than enjoying heaven" It is your belief that heaven exists; there is neither proof nor evidence (of the kind you can test, observe, or measure).
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