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Here comes metered Broadband.......suck

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IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE. When any ISP decides to charge more for the same product and do so in a way that affects future uses, 4K video will be ubiquitous in 5 years and it will be pretty easy to blow by your cap.

And 50GB for $10 is just plain highway robbery.

Eventually they will charge TV users as well. Their simply boiling the frog slowly.

PS: A family of four now has to be careful not to exceed 300 or 600 GB per month.

PSS: They say most users use 100GB per month, so why bother with this at all? Just throttle the abusers and leave the rest of use alone.

PS. No, not even close. We rarely go over 100 GB a month with 3 boys, 2 of them teenagers, 3 xbox ones, two Roku players, a wife who works from home and regularly transfers large TIFF files to other sites, etc. You really really have to try to use more than 300 GB a month. HD streaming of 1080p can use 300 GB in 76 hours. But, who does that? Who sits in front of a TV watching 80 hours of HD movies a month? No one..
 
PS. No, not even close. We rarely go over 100 GB a month with 3 boys, 2 of them teenagers, 3 xbox ones, two Roku players, a wife who works from home and regularly transfers large TIFF files to other sites, etc. You really really have to try to use more than 300 GB a month. HD streaming of 1080p can use 300 GB in 76 hours. But, who does that? Who sits in front of a TV watching 80 hours of HD movies a month? No one..

I downloaded Wolfenstein TNO and ToB to a new gaming PC and blew 80 gigs, right there.

That's just two games. Doesn't even take into account everything else going on at the same time.
 
PS. No, not even close. We rarely go over 100 GB a month with 3 boys, 2 of them teenagers, 3 xbox ones, two Roku players, a wife who works from home and regularly transfers large TIFF files to other sites, etc. You really really have to try to use more than 300 GB a month. HD streaming of 1080p can use 300 GB in 76 hours. But, who does that? Who sits in front of a TV watching 80 hours of HD movies a month? No one..

I'm the only one on my internet connection, all I do is browse forums, watch some Youtube (an hour's worth at most), play some games online, and use Steam, although last month I did stream a couple movies. My usage for the last several months according to my router is:

March: 75 GB
February: 112 GB
January: 152 GB
December: 74 GB
November: 104 GB
October: 69 GB

If there were more people in the house I'm sure that could get a lot higher a lot quicker. Granted, it wouldn't double but still just because your family doesn't typically use more than 100 GB a month doesn't mean others don't. All it takes is to buy a new game on Steam and you burn 20-50 GB or more in one go.

Sounds like you're trying to be an apologist for ISP ripoff. Why?
 
You guys need competition in the markets.

We have uverse, time warner and verizon and that allows me to have 200mb/20mb for $50 a month unlimited.

I have sony vue as well but I dont really watch tv. Its only for fox sports ufc.
 
I have Grande, which is a capless provider, and I have 200/20. Past 30 days I did 107gb. Light month for me.
 
Just this last month a local fiber company announced they were moving into my town, picked three neighborhoods to sign up for 1gig $70/mo unlimited fiber to the home with no limits, and TV service. They just had to have 25% of the neighborhood's residents sign up to win and be first.

Not a single one made it above 12%. So none of them get it.

They've picked three new neighborhoods for April, which maybe thankfully will bring the fiber closer to my home if a certain one wins, but I don't have my hopes up.

Nobody cares, nobody knows what their contract really says, and nobody understands what the service really is.
 
You guys need competition in the markets.

You aren't kidding. I wish when politicians claimed to be about less government they meant they were for less government protection for these massive telecoms that don't want to compete, as opposed to less government protection for the little guy and small business. They're only too happy to do away with that.
 
As someone who has Gigapower, I rarely hit half a TB in a month.

And this is a non-issue if you subscribe to TV service as does most of ATT uverse customers.

How do you feel about their "Internet Preferences" bullshit? Are you taking their default lower rate and allowing them to track every little thing you do?

People cannot have it both ways. You can't argue that cable/internet should be considered a utility, and not allow themselves to bill like all other utilities(metered service).

The more Congress and others push for cable to be regulated like other utilities, the more likely we will end up with truly metered service instead pseudo metered service via caps.

The days of truly unlimited bandwidth are going to be over sooner or later.

Telecoms want to act like a monopoly but they don't want to be regulated like one. You can't have it both ways.

Well, metered service isn't really that big of an enemy. I'm all for it, if there is responsible and regulated charges.

Consider: a line access fee, and then $0.05/GB. If you used 1TB, that's $50 for the metered service and then the access fee is added. Perhaps the access fee is based on line rate, so $50/month gets you 1Gbps. $20/month may get you 100Mbps. $100/month for Gigabit service and 1TB seems very generous. Perhaps the line access fee for that rate could be a bit lower. I highly doubt we'd see metered rates below $0.05/GB, but I'd love to be surprised! But of course that would vary greatly, based on local economics. You can get better than that with Google Fiber and U-verse Gigapower where Google exists, but that's a rare thing for the majority of the U.S..

This pseudo-metered bullshit is terrible. True metering isn't, but they definitely need to be regulated accordingly. And the days for this are coming fast, because internet is quickly becoming a necessity for school-age children. We need competitive regulation that affords good rates because it would still likely be a market-local monopoly like most utilities are these days.


You guys need competition in the markets.

We have uverse, time warner and verizon and that allows me to have 200mb/20mb for $50 a month unlimited.

I have sony vue as well but I dont really watch tv. Its only for fox sports ufc.

Competition in any single market is very rare, and usually a subject of different classes of providers who happened to have some kind of footprint to begin with.

U-verse Gigapower, for example, is in very few markets, and they are really only making competitive pricing where Google Fiber exists.

He have a local cable company and U-verse, because AT&T has always been the phone service provider for the region. We never had Verizon phone service, ever, so before Verizon gave up on FIOS, we were will guaranteed to never get it.

All of us WANT competition in our markets, but we cannot have it if it does not already exist in some form. And multiple cable companies in a single market is exceptionally rare, and I think if it does happen, different neighborhoods still only get one choice. I know Columbus, OH has two or three cable companies operating, but I'm pretty sure you don't get a choice.

I absolutely loathe the current state of the competition, because it is rarely competition at all for most customers. Much more regulation needs to be done, including leasing lines to other providers so more operators can move into a single market. Make it an opportunity to create the cable equivalent of MVNOs, except more often than the big boys could still be the ones sharing the lines.
 
You guys still don't get it.

According to netflix a 4K video stream consumes 7GB per hour. So let's do the math on that:

Dad watches one movie per night: 30 x 14 = 420GB
Mom loves her 4K shows: 30 x 14 = 420GB
Kids love their shows: 30 x 14 = 420GB
_______________________________________________

Total: 1,260 GB (Just for 4K streaming)




It amazes me that people can't think ahead at all.


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Today, our home Internet customers use just over 100 GB of data per month on average. So even with our smallest U-verse Internet data allowance of 300 GB the average customer has plenty of data to do more.

So it seems like anyone using a 100GB or less with a 300GB cap should get a discount...right AT&T? No? I am shocked. 🙄

-KeithP
 
Ya know, I have no idea how much bandwidth I used last month. As far as I know, they don't have a publicly viewable usage meter on the Frontier site for former Connecticut UVerse customers.
 
You guys still don't get it.

According to netflix a 4K video stream consumes 7GB per hour. So let's do the math on that:

Dad watches one movie per night: 30 x 14 = 420GB
Mom loves her 4K shows: 30 x 14 = 420GB
Kids love their shows: 30 x 14 = 420GB
_______________________________________________

Total: 1,260 GB (Just for 4K streaming)




It amazes me that people can't think ahead at all.


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Yeah it really does not take much at all to go past a cap.

I'm sitting at over 200GB for the last 30 days, and I have barely even been using my internet. I can easily go way past that if I try. Just natural traffic like ack/nack packets, port scans, remote backups, web surfing, polling NTP servers, email etc..... it adds up. Then add streaming and such on top of that.

Though I don't really trust my firewall anymore, I pushed 100TB once between two vlans as I was testing something, and the firewall did not even record close to that. It recorded a high traffic usage but the the actual amount I transferred.

Actually I do have a Minecraft and UO server, so those contribute to bandwidth usage too but it's fairly small. There's usually nobody playing.
 
You guys need competition in the markets.

We have uverse, time warner and verizon and that allows me to have 200mb/20mb for $50 a month unlimited.

I have sony vue as well but I dont really watch tv. Its only for fox sports ufc.
Unfortunately that's not how it works for most of us. In many large cities you have ONE provider with an exclusive contract for TV/Internet so you're stuck paying those shitty prices or the few providers you do have make sure to all charge the same high amount. There's a reason why the big guys are scared to Google Fiber or local towns creating their own ISP's and suing to make sure it stays that way.
 
Friends in Louisiana say they have the new deal with their local cable for internet.

$39/month - 50Mbs down/5Mps up - 250 GB cap
$49 - 100/10-350
$59 - 200/20 - No cap
$99 - 1GB/50Mps - No cap

And no contract and no bundle required. Not too shabby I think, especially the 200 plan with no cap for $59 per month.
 
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Friends in Louisiana say they have the new deal with their local cable for internet.

$39/month - 50Mbs down/5Mps up - 250 GB cap
$49 - 100/10-350
$59 - 200/20 - No cap
$99 - 1GB/50Mps - No cap

And no contract and no bundle required. Not too shabby I think, especially the 200 plan with no cap for $59 per month.

Oh man... I want that. Hell, I'm just tired of all the local (and even national) cable companies that only provide 3-5Mbps upload. Disgusting and worthless.

I like 20Mbps upload and no cap? Or 50Mbps? With 200 or 1000Mbps down, respectively? Jealous, definitely jealous. Now on the gigabit plan, sure it would be nice to have gigabit upload, but for a no-cap gigabit cable service, $100 is damn good. Not as competitive with some other services, though rarely are they priced that well, but to get it from a local cable co at that kind of pricing would be phenomenal. But even with 50Mbps upload, with friends or family who also have a no-cap plan, I could easily utilize that for an off-site backup solution. Damn, too bad. 🙁
 
http://blogs.att.net/consumerblog/story/a7801212

Today, our home Internet customers use just over 100 GB of data per month on average. So even with our smallest U-verse Internet data allowance of 300 GB the average customer has plenty of data to do more.


768 Kbps – 6 Mbps 300 GB 100 hours of HD video streaming
12 Mbps – 75Mbps 600 GB 240 hours of HD video streaming
100 Mbps – 1 Gbps 1 TB 400 hours of HD video streaming




1. Punish Cord Cutters
2. Stop streaming services
3. Slow 4K growth

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times...

There is nothing inherently evil with a pay-per-use model. You have been enjoying shit-tons of content for a very long time subsidized by those who barely use their internet yet pay the same price you do.

The person maxing out his/her bandwidth 24/7/365 absolutely should pay more than someone else who just checks email once a day.
 
You guys still don't get it.

We all "get" it, no need to shout.

You want all the greatest technologies but want it paid for by someone else. Look throughout the history of technology, early adopters have always had to pay a crap-ton to enjoy the next-best-thing. But now all of a sudden you want the next-best-thing, therefore you should be entitled to have it all for free?

The flaw in your argument is your assumption bandwidth is endless. It's not. You want to consume a higher share of it, all you have to do is pay for it.
 
In your scenario, are you archiving porn or something? I have their 1GB service. I've never hit 1TB in a single month, let alone in a few minutes.
Yes, HD requires a lot of bandwidth. I do about 3/TB a month on my 10/1 connection. I have never had to deal with data caps on anything before, though. I wouldn't sit quietly if they ever impose them on me. Though I can already live like a king with what I've already stored.
 
If you need evidence that they are not trying to fuck you over, here's the message I get when I log into my account. Guess who DOESN'T have a cap? Those that subscribe to their internet AND their UVerse packages!

Starting May 23, we’re increasing your U-verse Internet data allowance. Now you’ll have an unlimited allowance ($30 value) because you bundled DIRECTV or U-verse TV with your Internet service.

After May 23, log in to your account at att.com/myatt. There, you’ll find helpful tools you can use to check your Internet data usage. Questions? Go to att.com/internet-usage.

What is odd is I have always had their UVerse TV and internet bundled so why this message pops up now is odd. I have NEVER been capped, and I routinely use 300GB or more per month EASILY.
 
If you need evidence that they are not trying to fuck you over, here's the message I get when I log into my account. Guess who DOESN'T have a cap? Those that subscribe to their internet AND their UVerse packages!



What is odd is I have always had their UVerse TV and internet bundled so why this message pops up now is odd. I have NEVER been capped, and I routinely use 300GB or more per month EASILY.

They're just letting you know what you've got, that's all.

And technically there used to be a cap, but they could not even pretend to enforce it on TV+internet subscribers, as they cannot tell what is IPTV data and what is regular internet data.
So now, they're just making the obvious decision: just make it officially uncapped. I thoroughly bet if they could tell the difference between the two data streams, they would have enforced a cap and never made the plan uncapped. The only reason they bring DirecTV customers into the mix is because, while they can enforce a cap, they want to create parity between the TV choice - so any TV package + internet = uncapped. They wouldn't have done that if they could enforce a cap on the IPTV subscribers.

Count your blessings for that one benefit of IPTV. I'd try out U-verse but I am awfully annoyed by the prospect of IPTV, because it completely ruins the concept of a combined DVR + Media Server. I want my own personal DVR, no matter how flashy these bundled devices are.
 
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