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Here comes another one: Enemy Expatriation Act

SandEagle

SandEagle

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brought to you by Lieberman.

http://lieberman.senate.gov/assets/pdf/TEA_summary.pdf

http://presstv.com/usdetail/219844.html

The Enemy Expatriation Act aimed to remove the rights protected by U.S. citizenship from those who “support hostilities against the United States.” This act was in response to Obama's assassination of a U.S. citizen without formal charges or due process to, in effect, legalize such action by removing Constitutional protections of those suspected of supporting hostilities.
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'suspected of' not 'convicted of'. big difference there. wonder if this is going to include the Occupy WallStreet protesters?
 
And people wonder why some of us are concerned about the government gaining steadily more power.

I can't imagine why...
 
This is a good bill, and will allow those in leadership roles to effectively defend our nation from the billions that wish to do it harm.
 
Nebor said:
I'm not really in a leadership role...
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He meant to do it harm. In another thread you wanted to massacre women and children so I'd say you're not really promoting the general good.

This bill is fvcking insane, US government off its tracks. And it's not just another stupid bill that will go nowhere, as we've always seen. Already Obama can kill any US citizen if he wants, and detain indefinitely others without trial and wiretap, he's no better than the rest of them.
 
SandEagle said:
Here comes another one: Enemy Expatriation Act

brought to you by Lieberman.

http://lieberman.senate.gov/assets/pdf/TEA_summary.pdf

http://presstv.com/usdetail/219844.html



'suspected of' not 'convicted of'. big difference there. wonder if this is going to include the Occupy WallStreet protesters?
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Another one that must pass.

You have to really piss off and oppress the citizenry before they will band together in full revolt.

Lieberman and Co are doing a great job of it.
 
If you are worried by the bill then you must have a hidden agenda.

“support hostilities against the United States.”

I mean why are you worried? Unless of course you are planning hostilities against the US. So expect a knock on your door if it gets passed. The FBI got their own google as well.
 
Pick an ideology and you will find that all of them except for libertarians have parts of the Constitution they find inconvenient and have no problem ignoring or attempting to get around. From the left and their disdain for property rights in a search for "social justice" to the right and their disdain for personal liberty when it gets in the way of the "war on drugs/terrorism" they all find ways to crap all over the Constitution in pursuit of their policies.
 
"In USA they came first for those who support hostilities against the United States, and I didn't speak up because I do not support hostilities against the United States..."














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Lieberman has been proposed this act every session of Congress for nearly all of the last decade and has gotten nowhere with it.

Fortunately we in CT have to suffer through only one more year of Lieberman's purported representation of our state. He can then go onto fulltime representation of Israel.
 
This garbage is being put in place to prepare for a total breakdown. People like Lieberman should be subject to this law immediately because he is a disgusting piece of slime. His way of thinking is exactly what bankrupted this country. He is a bought and paid for shill for aipac. He and his ilk are like a virus infecting lady liberty. They have no interest in liberty at all, they jsut want to suck the wealth out of this country like a kid sucking the sugar out of a pixie stick. Once it is empty it just goes on the ground.
 
Do you guys even bother to read?

Background: An existing federal statute, 8 U.S.C. § 1481, identifies seven categories of acts for which U.S. citizens lose their citizenship if they voluntarily perform one of those acts “with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality.” The list includes acts such as:
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Serving in the armed forces of a “foreign state” if such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States;
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Formally renouncing nationality whenever the United States is in a state of war; or
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Committing treason against the United States.

The Terrorist Expatriation Act would simply add another category to the list of acts for which a U.S. national would lose his nationality, namely: providing material support or resources to a Foreign Terrorist Organization, as designated by the Secretary of State, or actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies.
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How the Existing Statute Works: Under the existing federal statute, to which this provision would be added, the State Department must make an administrative determination that an individual has lost his or her U.S. nationality. The Secretary of State must approve a certificate of loss of nationality, and a copy of the certificate must also be provided to the Attorney General. The State Department has established a Board of Appellate Review to hear appeals from administrative decisions that result in the loss of nationality. An individual may also challenge that holding in federal district court. The burden of proof, by a preponderance of evidence, would be on the party asserting that loss of citizenship has occurred. This statutory scheme has been upheld, including the burden of proof, by the United States Supreme Court in a 1980 decision, Vance v. Terrazas. In 1986, Congress amended the existing statute to codify the Supreme Court’s holding that an expatriating act must be committed with the intent of relinquishing citizenship status for loss of citizenship to occur. This bill does not alter that requirement in any way.
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Let's see, 1986. That would have under Ronald Reagan.

So tell me again how this change is a huge threat to American citizens?
 
shira said:
Do you guys even bother to read?



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Let's see, 1986. That would have under Ronald Reagan.

So tell me again how this change is a huge threat to American citizens?
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There's a pattern to all of this. The NDAA with its detention provision also explicitly refers to existing law, saying that it adds no detention powers that don't already exist. Yet that doesn't stop the "police state" paranoia. I don't know which is worse: overblown fears of terrorism, or overblown fears of the government. Either way, fear seems to be the primary component of our political culture these days.

I will say this though: Lieberman is a jackass who probably would put a totalitarian regime in place if he thought he could get away with it.
 
shira said:
Do you guys even bother to read?
The Terrorist Expatriation Act would simply add another category to the list of acts for which a U.S. national would lose his nationality
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So tell me again how this change is a huge threat to American citizens
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The category “support hostilities against the United States.” applies to every single criminal in the United States. It's a broad, generic, and all encompassing removal of human rights.

Fuck, it merely says 'support'. You don't have to be the one doing it, just a person associated with them in any way.
 
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