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Vadatajs

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Closer to 1000 years. There is no proof that Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. Carbon dating has been debunked already. All the evidence supports the notion that dinosaurs went extinct around the time of Noah's flood.

It just dawned on me your not playing and your actually this naieve. Ok, I'll call you on this, provide links showing that carbon dating and rock strata dating are invalid in the scientific community. Links from Oral Roberts won't be accepted.

Bill

Yes, links please. Faith won't win you any arguments.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Things like these are a sad reminder that religious fundamentalism is dangerous, no matter whether it's in the U.S. or Saudi Arabia.

This woman speaks the truth!
She doth. Fair dinkum from one of those distaff descendents of Adam's loaner rib. And what a guy Adam must have been. These days, the shirt off your back passes for generosity, but Adam, well . . . he'd give you a body part and never even ask where you got that apple.

Vadatajs, when I first read your OP, I thought, eh, target practice using the proverbial broad side of a barn. Then other posters reminded me (and all of us) of the hordes who regularly come into these threads and beat the Creationism drum. And I'm not just talking about the bug-eyed likes of Bugs.


So, hand me that stick, please. This horse may seem dead, but it still needs regular beating.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, newsflash, Bugs. The Bible was written by men and it does not represent the word of God as there is no God. A supreme being is merely man's manifestation of fear and ignorance.

You say that so definitively, as though it was fact. Fact demands proof, of which you have about as much of as a total faith believer does in his existence.

Oh?

Look at other ancient cultures and their mythological stories and tales. What makes the ancient Hebrews so special that theirs is not myth?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Closer to 1000 years. There is no proof that Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. Carbon dating has been debunked already. All the evidence supports the notion that dinosaurs went extinct around the time of Noah's flood.

Carbon dating has NOT been debunked.

Either prove your baseless claim or confess to being ignorant.
 

Beau

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, newsflash, Bugs. The Bible was written by men and it does not represent the word of God as there is no God. A supreme being is merely man's manifestation of fear and ignorance.

You say that so definitively, as though it was fact. Fact demands proof, of which you have about as much of as a total faith believer does in his existence.

Oh?

Look at other ancient cultures and their mythological stories and tales. What makes the ancient Hebrews so special that theirs is not myth?

a religion's failure and death does not disprove the theory of a supreme being.
 
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Carbon dating has NOT been debunked.
atmospheric changes cause long-term carbonating to change.

Honestly, you people are so bloody ignorant of how flawed evolution is that it's amazing that you don't realize that it's a faith.

I don't believe in young-earth-creationism, but that you people keep talking out your buts is just funny.

As for the bible: I the word ?day? means a period of work, ?morning? the beginning of a period of work, and ?evening? the end of a period of work.

Check English, cross-reference Hebrew.

Evolution fits quite nicely into the infallible truth of the bible

Most truly open minded institutions teach both Theory of Evolution and Intelligent Design Theory.


Moonie around? I?m in the mood for platitudes.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, newsflash, Bugs. The Bible was written by men and it does not represent the word of God as there is no God. A supreme being is merely man's manifestation of fear and ignorance.

You say that so definitively, as though it was fact. Fact demands proof, of which you have about as much of as a total faith believer does in his existence.

Oh?

Look at other ancient cultures and their mythological stories and tales. What makes the ancient Hebrews so special that theirs is not myth?

a religion's failure and death does not disprove the theory of a supreme being.

Nor does it prove the theory, hence the term "faith".
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Carbon dating has NOT been debunked.
atmospheric changes cause long-term carbonating to change.

Honestly, you people are so bloody ignorant of how flawed evolution is that it's amazing that you don't realize that it's a faith.

I don't believe in young-earth-creationism, but that you people keep talking out your buts is just funny.

As for the bible: I the word ?day? means a period of work, ?morning? the beginning of a period of work, and ?evening? the end of a period of work.

Check English, cross-reference Hebrew.

Evolution fits quite nicely into the infallible truth of the bible

Most truly open minded institutions teach both Theory of Evolution and Intelligent Design Theory.


Moonie around? I?m in the mood for platitudes.

Atmospheric carbon changes?? LOL!!

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, newsflash, Bugs. The Bible was written by men and it does not represent the word of God as there is no God. A supreme being is merely man's manifestation of fear and ignorance.
You say that so definitively, as though it was fact. Fact demands proof, of which you have about as much of as a total faith believer does in his existence.
Oh?

Look at other ancient cultures and their mythological stories and tales. What makes the ancient Hebrews so special that theirs is not myth?
a religion's failure and death does not disprove the theory of a supreme being.

It certainly leads credence to the theory there is no god, though. If 99% of the world's cultures have mythological stories and tales, why should the remaining 1% be considered valid?
 

onelove

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Easy people, there's no need to be threatened by religion. Attacking and burning at the stake is not the answer.

Until you can answer "why is there something instead of nothing?" you can't be so sure. If you think man has discovered all there is to know, that is hubris in the true sense of the word.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: Beau
Nor does it prove the theory, hence the term "faith".
exactly, which is why I said "Fact demands proof, of which you have about as much of as a total faith believer does in his [God] existence."

I agree, i didn't write that to point out this to you specifically but rather to clarify my take on the whole idea of faith and facts.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Carbon dating has NOT been debunked.
atmospheric changes cause long-term carbonating to change.

Honestly, you people are so bloody ignorant of how flawed evolution is that it's amazing that you don't realize that it's a faith.

I don't believe in young-earth-creationism, but that you people keep talking out your buts is just funny.

As for the bible: I the word ?day? means a period of work, ?morning? the beginning of a period of work, and ?evening? the end of a period of work.

Check English, cross-reference Hebrew.

Evolution fits quite nicely into the infallible truth of the bible

Most truly open minded institutions teach both Theory of Evolution and Intelligent Design Theory.


Moonie around? I?m in the mood for platitudes.

Atmospheric carbon changes?? LOL!!

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html
Quantum mechanics, that stout pillar of modern physics, which has been verified in so many different ways that I couldn't begin to list them all even if I had them at hand, gives us no theoretical reason for believing that the C-14 rate of decay has changed or can be significantly affected by any reasonable process.
you eat this tripe and call it science?

give me a break. forgetting the fact that quantum theory is anything but a 'stout pillar' the fact that c-14 doesn't change on a quantum level has nothing to do with the fact that atmospheric changes can change how carbon-dating reads millennia old materials.

if you want a self-important atheist-scoff that's been debunked by other atheist-scientist w/out an anti-thought agenda.. well please, keep on trying to gain 'knowledge' from talkeorigens.org.

otherwise become self informed and stop spewing the ignorance your theologians teach you.

but that doesn't much matter: i don't belive in YEC

As for the bible: I the word ?day? means a period of work, ?morning? the beginning of a period of work, and ?evening? the end of a period of work.

Check English, cross-reference Hebrew.
 

conjur

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The rate of c-14 decay doesn't change. It doesn't say carbon levels...it says the rate of decay.

Talkorigins.org has yet to be debunked.

The science behind carbon-dating is solid and has never been debunked.

Care to prove otherwise?

Pardon me while I don't hold my breath waiting.
 

bsobel

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Easy people, there's no need to be threatened by religion. Attacking and burning at the stake is not the answer.

Sadly, I doubt you see the irony in that statement.
Bill
 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, newsflash, Bugs. The Bible was written by men and it does not represent the word of God as there is no God. A supreme being is merely man's manifestation of fear and ignorance.
You say that so definitively, as though it was fact. Fact demands proof, of which you have about as much of as a total faith believer does in his existence.
Oh?

Look at other ancient cultures and their mythological stories and tales. What makes the ancient Hebrews so special that theirs is not myth?
a religion's failure and death does not disprove the theory of a supreme being.

It certainly leads credence to the theory there is no god, though. If 99% of the world's cultures have mythological stories and tales, why should the remaining 1% be considered valid?

It's valid because the Bible explicitely states that the Hebrews were God's CHOSEN PEOPLE, therefore, it must be true.

Most likely, the dragon bones were placed in the earth by the devil, in an attempt to confuse the simple minded among us, namely CONJUR. You had better prepare for Judgement Day, heathen....

Zephyr
 

DealMonkey

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Oh man, I just knew Bugs and LordGhengisKhan would be along to spew their ignorant drivel. It's like it's not bad enough they bought the lies and retarded theories allegedly "debunking" evolution, they have to go and spread the ignorance around some more ... Pathetic. Back up your retarded claims with FACTS gentlemen or go sit and spin somewhere else.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: conjur
It certainly leads credence to the theory there is no god, though. If 99% of the world's cultures have mythological stories and tales, why should the remaining 1% be considered valid?

It's valid because the Bible explicitely states that the Hebrews were God's CHOSEN PEOPLE, therefore, it must be true.

Most likely, the dragon bones were placed in the earth by the devil, in an attempt to confuse the simple minded among us, namely CONJUR. You had better prepare for Judgement Day, heathen....

Zephyr


teh OH NOES!!!1!11!!!!!!11
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
It's valid because the Bible explicitely states that the Hebrews were God's CHOSEN PEOPLE, therefore, it must be true.

Most likely, the dragon bones were placed in the earth by the devil, in an attempt to confuse the simple minded among us, namely CONJUR. You had better prepare for Judgement Day, heathen....

Zephyr
Zephyr, I understand the many stresses that work and your personal life can cruelly engender. Therefore, I have no overweaning desire to sit in judgement of your recent proclivity for making hopefully hilarious spoof posts. Occassionally, I myself have emitted a brief but hearty guffaw. Extremely brief. The hearty part was a polite lie. They were more like a titter.

Nevertheless, I just want you to know, that should you decide to abandon this one note tack, we the slightly less insane stand ready and willing to accept you back into the fold, no questions asked.

Be brave. Don't look back. Make the move now.

We're liberals. We love you, man.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh man, I just knew Bugs and LordGhengisKhan would be along to spew their ignorant drivel. It's like it's not bad enough they bought the lies and retarded theories allegedly "debunking" evolution, they have to go and spread the ignorance around some more ... Pathetic. Back up your retarded claims with FACTS gentlemen or go sit and spin somewhere else.

Bugsy was in another thread discussing hormone therapy, sadly he left after i posted, he won't be back in this thread either or he won't respond to conjurs post.

Blind faith requires blinders on.
 

jackschmittusa

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What's funny is that carbon dating has nothing to do with dating dinosaur fossils. They are much too old for that.
 

onelove

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Easy people, there's no need to be threatened by religion. Attacking and burning at the stake is not the answer.

Sadly, I doubt you see the irony in that statement.
Bill
I liked the irony &amp; that's why I wrote it - thanks for catching it :) I'd like to hope Enlightened humans have gone beyond base brutality, but this thread has the air of the Inquisition, don't you think?
[Edit - why the doubt?]
 

ElFenix

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i'm going to make a mint with children's books illustrating how pre-Flood people encountered dragons/dinosaurs