Here’s how you school climate deniers: The anti-science movement’s biggest fallacies,

[glenn1]

I'll happily adopt the label denier, as the MMGW crowd has been denied the implementation of their stupid "solutions" for decades now. But you guys keep talking about "consensus" and shit that voters ignore if it allows you momentary distracts from the utter political failure of your agenda.

 

[IamDavid]

So say the folks currently denying instead of adapting.

I'm adapting just fine. Investing in companies exploiting people on both sides of the argument. I may think Gore and his counterparts are the most worthless pieces of human trash but I'm not stupid, I'll always invest in whichever way the lemmings are running.

 

[piasabird]

Every year dust falls on the earth from space. This increases the volume of the planet. In fact the earthquakes in Nepal raised some areas up to 1 meter higher than they were before the quake. A lot of areas on the earth move up and down as tectonic plates move up or spread apart. Then volcanoes keep spewing volcanic ash, cinders, and lava creating more land. The point is the climate is always changing and it always has been. Doesn't matter what you believe in or whether it is man made or not. The most interesting point is that there is not much Man can do to prevent it. Blaming all of the problems we have on carbon monoxide is a bit short sided and childish.

How do you think all of that water got into the underground aquifers? It probably got there because there were lots of flooding. Man is stopping the water from getting to this natural water tanks by diverting all the water down to the sea. Aquifers are capably of storing billions of gallons of water. Mankind needs to learn to divert our excess water to the aquifers or underground storage instead of moving it all to the ocean and wasting this natural resource.

 

[master_shake_]

is the climate changing?

probably.

how many fucks do i give?

less than zero.

ac in the summer heat in the winter.

your move nature.

 

[feralkid]

is the climate changing?

probably.

how many fucks do i give?

less than zero.

ac in the summer heat in the winter.

your move Darwin.

Fixed.

 

[OverVolt]

First skeptics didn't work because the skeptics enjoyed the title.

Now they use denier which is ironic considering its use rises in lockstep with the inaccuracy of their predictions as time goes on.

If they messed up predicting the next 10 years why would anyone still trust their 50 year predictions.

 

[Subyman]

Thanks, this is what I assumed. This methodology ends up creating a chain only as strong as its weakest link? I'd be basing my findings off some other studies to further my findings and make me right. The study of human biology has proved this to be true over and over again. The scientific world is to quick to defend each other to outside questions allowing the Gores of the world to use this to their favor.

That is not the whole story. Scientists do not blindly accept a paper or methodology. With each scientist that uses it, they need to properly understand it to implement it into their studies. I never ran across a researcher that cuts and pastes code or formula. My professor in particular re-derived the entire weather model and extended it himself with the help of colleagues. The model is then compared to numerous other models and calibrated based on historic data.

Science is absolutely built upon prior knowledge and findings, but those findings are not taken at face value. They are always questioned and understood before moving forward, at least by respectable scientists.

 

[Subyman]

I've heard more times than I can recall over the last 40 years that we only had ten years left. That is something that should give people pause. The second time I heard it I knew all I needed to know.

No respectable scientist would ever claim that unless they were tracking the asteroid that would destroy earth 🙂

 

[Moonbeam]

A model is only as good as the goodness of fit of the variables used and the information fed into it. The lack of proper regression variables to get a good R^2 is the death of the model. Furthermore, the inputs into the model, such as accurate temperature data, is key. Otherwise it is a GIGO model.

Our inability to understand exactly what effects local climates is dependent on more variables than we can account for. Thus, local forecasting models are faulty.

As you can see from the climate models thus far, they have *all* been wrong. All of them. There isn't a single one that has even come close to predicting the temp, or the sea rise, or the glacial thickness. None.

Why? Because the science is "settled". Yet the regression sucks balls.


The science is *NOT* settled.

Get real. What the weather will be is profoundly important to millions of human decisions so we millions and more are spent to predict the weather. This is done because weather prediction is better than guessing. Your point that predicting the weather isn't perfect has nothing to do with anything. The whole purpose of science isn't settling things but improving our capacity to know what is happening via advancing our understanding.

 

[Jaskalas]

Doesn't matter what you believe in or whether it is man made or not. The most interesting point is that there is not much Man can do to prevent it. Blaming all of the problems we have on carbon monoxide is a bit short sided and childish.

• CO2, Carbon Dioxide.
• We can certainly address human emissions, at human expense.

The standing question is not if we can cut human emissions.
The standing question is when should we, by how much, and why?

"Climate Change" is a matter of answering those questions.

 

[Moonbeam]

Wow. Just wow.

"You sir are the definition of an internet troll. Please return to masturbating with peanut butter in your mothers basement while watching kiddy porn."

Thought it would be interesting to expose the reaction of the CBD when exposed to itself.

Personally, all those who die from the disaster of man made global climate change are my fault because I lack the energy and the wisdom and dedication to try to do something aside from my little effort here to help the defective identify their problem so they don't have to continue to be a part of it.

How many times do I have to tell you there is nobody to blame for anything. Those who are unconscious are motivated to be that way by things from the past they had no fault in causing. The CBD is a state of denial, a fear of what isn't real, a total wasted effort, a guilt like that one might feel murdering somebody in a dream.

 

[mindmajick]

is the climate changing?

probably.

how many fucks do i give?

less than zero.

ac in the summer heat in the winter.

your move nature.

And this is the real truth of the matter.

It's so much easier to just drive our gas guzzling cars cuz "the earth will just make more oil".

Fracking is fine because it creates jobs. Who cares if it pollutes the groundwater and poisons the locals. I got mine!

That's what it's all about. People don't want to have to change their lifestyle. But the democrats are the lazy ones. Smh

I hate being a conservative these days. Whole freaking republican party believes anything they hear anymore.

 

[mindmajick]

Why doesn't everyone believe in climate change?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/climate-change-acceptance/

 

[mindmajick]

That is not the whole story. Scientists do not blindly accept a paper or methodology. With each scientist that uses it, they need to properly understand it to implement it into their studies. I never ran across a researcher that cuts and pastes code or formula. My professor in particular re-derived the entire weather model and extended it himself with the help of colleagues. The model is then compared to numerous other models and calibrated based on historic data.

Science is absolutely built upon prior knowledge and findings, but those findings are not taken at face value. They are always questioned and understood before moving forward, at least by respectable scientists.

I'll post this for your friend.

The scientific method. I learned this in my 3rd grade enrichment class:

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml

 

[MongGrel]

It's a strawman term for those who have little understanding of the debate.

Those damned silly scientists, trying to be scientific and do things like land on mars and shit like that.

They have no idea what they are talking about.

I guess we'll just all give up and close down CERN and shit too.

 

[sandorski]

Why is it so important to school "denier's"?

For the record, the proper term would be skeptics, not deniers.

Incorrect. Skeptics do not accept a proposition until data is shown to support it. Deniers continue to deny regardless of the data.

 

[MongGrel]

The CBD can't face the fact that it is personally responsible for the bodies of the dead rolling over and over down rivers and gullies in Texas flooding. It fears that somebody will tax it to save others. " Let those low land fuckers take care of themselves!"

Texas floods: Enough rain to cover entire state with 8 inches of water in May

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/us/severe-weather/index.html

I guess maybe it's just natural, and God is pissed of at Dubya these days 😛

 

[MongGrel]

Incorrect. Deniers continue to deny regardless of the data.

I tend to throw those into the idiot category, personally.

 

[mindmajick]

The CBD can't face the fact that it is personally responsible for the bodies of the dead rolling over and over down rivers and gullies in Texas flooding. It fears that somebody will tax it to save others. " Let those low land fuckers take care of themselves!"

What is CBD Mr. Moonbeam? I'm really curious so that I can understand some of your posts.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Texas floods: Enough rain to cover entire state with 8 inches of water in May

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/us/severe-weather/index.html

I guess maybe it's just natural, and God is pissed of at Dubya these days 😛

Or maybe God wanted to end the drought, which after this rainy May none of Texas is in drought conditions.

 

[CZroe]

What is CBD Mr. Moonbeam? I'm really curious so that I can understand some of your posts.

I'd rather not encourage the use of such an inflammatory term because it really does shut down any chance of having a productive discussion, but here you go:
Conservative Brain Disorder.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What is CBD Mr. Moonbeam? I'm really curious so that I can understand some of your posts.

CBD = Conservative Brain Defect.

Moonie has interpreted a study that only stated the difference between conservative and liberal brains as being a brain defect.

 

[mindmajick]

I'd rather not encourage the use of such an inflammatory term because it really does shut down any chance of having a productive discussion, but here you go:
Conservative Brain Disorder.

Ah. Not a fan.. as a conservative I find it insulting.

The term he is looking for is "Republican" or "democrat", not "conservative" or CBD.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't deny the climate is changing, nor do I deny man is having some effect on the climate. However, what I do *DEBATE* is the attribution.

We cannot even forecast weather 24hours in a local area with a large degree of certainty. Yet we are supposed believe we can create a perfect attribution for man made global warming?

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between weather and climate. Your argument is like saying "you said this guy was a career .300 hitter. Why did he go 0-5 tonight?" The variance in these short term weather phenomena vs long term trends is something that people who don't understand what's going on use pretty often.

As for the effect that man is having on the climate, I'll stick with the overwhelming majority of science, compiled by thousands of different sources over the span of many decades. You can of course stick with your gut.

 

[bradley]

Denier. Denier. Denier. Baby baby stick your head in gravy. Look how mature us scientific types.

"If you want to defeat climate deniers, the first thing you need to know, without a shadow of a doubt, is that global warming is, in fact, happening."

Yes the earth has gone through warming periods and cooling periods, as Vostok clearly demonstrates. I have yet to see a single ounce of proof it's anthropomorphic warming. Having people responsible for the planet doesn't mean fraudulent science or scare tactics become necessary.

But enjoy the bubble, hope you guys are smart enough to be on the ground floor. I'm even all for the government continually getting into foolish ventures like subsidizing my solar panels. It's better than eating soy and corn.