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Henry Kissinger To Turn 100 Soon

^^That’s some delicious bourbon!! I've been looking for a bottle of that!
 

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When I was a kid, we read about Henry Kissinger in Weekly Reader or some such publication. The story was about his shuttle diplomacy and what a great and courageous peacemaker he was. When I got older and read about his involvement in the bombing of Cambodia and other actions, I understood what propaganda was. I still don't understand what the point of indoctrinating children in veneration of Henry Kissinger was to those doing the propagandizing. We we supposed to go home and ask our parents to support Nixon's secret plan for peace?
 
IronWing said:
When I was a kid, we read about Henry Kissinger in Weekly Reader or some such publication. The story was about his shuttle diplomacy and what a great and courageous peacemaker he was. When I got older and read about his involvement in the bombing of Cambodia and other actions, I understood what propaganda was. I still don't understand what the point of indoctrinating children in veneration of Henry Kissinger was to those doing the propagandizing. We we supposed to go home and ask our parents to support Nixon's secret plan for peace?
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Propaganda works far too well with people lacking in critical thinking skills or without relevant information. The fact that it didn't take for you does not mean that it hasn't at least aided in shaping some of your classmates world view to this day. "If you liked Henry Kissinger, then you'll love the new (Dick Cheney, Oliver North, Donald Rumsfeld etc.) model..."
 
Must still be working behind the scenes for Sheriff J W Pepper's release after the courtesy cards didn't work.
 
IronWing said:
When I was a kid, we read about Henry Kissinger in Weekly Reader or some such publication. The story was about his shuttle diplomacy and what a great and courageous peacemaker he was. When I got older and read about his involvement in the bombing of Cambodia and other actions, I understood what propaganda was. I still don't understand what the point of indoctrinating children in veneration of Henry Kissinger was to those doing the propagandizing. We we supposed to go home and ask our parents to support Nixon's secret plan for peace?
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This is what they are trying to enforce in Texas and Florida now, and of course what the GOP has been consistently doing since the early 90s, trying to lionize the generally hated and wildly unpopular Regan shortly after that traitorous piece of filth left office. Now, they worship that idol of human garbage as if he was the greatest thing that Republicans could ever produce--and it's not like they are wrong. He is the best of them, which shows what utter scum every fucking Republican is.
 
K1052 said:
I don't usually toast to deaths but I'm breaking out the Elijah Craig 18 year when this MFer finally kicks it.
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Have an old neighbor in Maine that has a bottle of Blue Label on standby for "when Cheney rejoins his kind in hell." He told me that Kissinger or McConnell kicking the bucket are the only other suitable uses for it.

I don't drink anymore, but when any of those fuckers is no longer in the picture I too shall be imbibing some swanky booze
 
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I'm not sure which is more depressing. That Kissinger has long outlived his (much younger) arch-critic Christopher Hitchens, or that Hitchens, before he died, ended up supporting a war as pointless and dishonest as the one he condemned Kissinger for promoting.

At the risk of going full Moonbeam, am tempted to speculate that maybe you always turn into those you most despise.
 
pmv said:
I'm not sure which is more depressing. That Kissinger has long outlived his (much younger) arch-critic Christopher Hitchens, or that Hitchens, before he died, ended up supporting a war as pointless and dishonest as the one he condemned Kissinger for promoting.

At the risk of going full Moonbeam, am tempted to speculate that maybe you always turn into those you most despise.
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Wat. You think support for the removal of Saddam Hussien is comparable to war crimes?

By some estimates Kissinger is responsible for the deaths of up to 3 million people thanks to his involvement in Vietnam, Cambodia, East Timor and Bangladesh.

What is Chris' body count? How many democratically elected governments did he help overthrow? I'm keen to know, but yes, that seems like a risky opinion in that it's a silly comparison devoid of scale.
 
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kage69 said:
Wat. You think support for the removal of Saddam Hussien is comparable to war crimes?
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The U.S. invasion of Iraq was the very definition of a war crime (okay, a crime against peace).

Nuremberg Principles
Principle VI
The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:

(a) Crimes against peace:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
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IronWing said:
The U.S. invasion of Iraq was the very definition of a war crime (okay, a crime against peace).
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I'm not saying we weren't in the wrong for that. I'm saying that a civilian journalist/writer agreeing with regime change is in no way comparable to a powerful official in office actively planning and facilitating actual fucking war crimes (throughout multiple administrations).

Hitchens was for Saddam Hussein not being able to invade, torture and kill people again. Given what we know about his stance on gay rights and violent religious fundamentalism, pretty sure he wasn't onboard with firing gay Arabic translators for instance, which kept our people sufficiently in the dark while prisoners coalesced a leadership structure that became ISIS. Hitchens championed the American ideal of a free press, Kissinger had the FBI spy on the journalists and officials of his choosing. On the karma scale they're just nowhere near each other IMO, the transformation of Hitchens into Kissinger over a single position is just nuts, sorry.
 
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kage69 said:
Wat. You think support for the removal of Saddam Hussien is comparable to war crimes?

By some estimates Kissinger is responsible for the deaths of up to 3 million people thanks to his involvement in Vietnam, Cambodia, East Timor and Bangladesh.

What is Chris' body count? I'm keen to know.
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Several hundred thousand died as a consequences of the invasion of Iraq. Of course that's not down to Hitchens on his own, but he did his bit.

He became a full-on cheerleader for Bush and the neocons. When it came down to it he sided with his fellow upper-class white people (as the privately-educated son-of-an-admiral was always likely to).

And I didn't say his role was comparable to Kissinger's, but it remains darkly ironic he ended up supporting a war as disastrously misjudged as the one he once opposed.

There's even some consistency with his one-time supposed Trotskyism - the neocons thought they could spread the revolution on the point of a bayonet, and impose their preferred system through top-down violence from above, as the Bolsheviks did. Didn't go as planned in either case.
 
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