Henry Blodget asks why pay people so little?

[JSt0rm]

clearly we need to just do away with benefits all together. Then the economy can flourish with more tax cuts at the top.

 

[blackangst1]

Start adding kids to the equation and whats the poverty line then?

and all these people who get paid below that get medicaid and suck away tax dollars while these companies you love to suck the knobs of are pulling more profits to the top.

Why is this ok with you? Why is it ok to give free medical for poor people via tax dollars so wealthy can get wealthier?

So stupid.

Sure. Family of 2 - $14,710 or $7.07/hour.
Family of 3 - $18,530 or $9.12/hour
Family of 4 - #22,350 or $11.09/hour.

So?

And, the blind moron you are, I dont even think you know what I think about it. Show me a post where I revel in the poor being poor, in context, and I'll paypal you $1000.

Idiot.

 

[blackangst1]

The Magic Phrase is "full time". The tendency is to hire people and give them as few as a three hour shift (my company does this) to keep them part time. That way they don't have to pay benefits.

And its been that way since Ive been working for the last 35 years. And its always been a smart business plan if youre an owner.

Well, unless you believe the purpose of hiring someone is to give them a chance at life...as a favor..or as a do-good for society. Im not aware of any succesful company that has, or has had in recent years, that philosophy towards employees. Last I knew, the reason a company employs someone is to...you know...work.

 

[blackangst1]

clearly we need to just do away with benefits all together. Then the economy can flourish with more tax cuts at the top.

You dont believe benefits should be exclusive of employment? Thats...shocking actually.

 

[JSt0rm]

Sure. Family of 2 - $14,710 or $7.07/hour.
Family of 3 - $18,530 or $9.12/hour
Family of 4 - #22,350 or $11.09/hour.

So?

And, the blind moron you are, I dont even think you know what I think about it. Show me a post where I revel in the poor being poor, in context, and I'll paypal you $1000.

Idiot.

strawman. I never said you revel in the poor being poor.

 

[JSt0rm]

You dont believe benefits should be exclusive of employment? Thats...shocking actually.

Thats not the world we live in.

I want to see single payer healthcare funded by the government but until that happens we have what we have.

 

[blackangst1]

strawman. I never said you revel in the poor being poor.

Here let me re-quote your own post:

and all these people who get paid below that get medicaid and suck away tax dollars while these companies you love to suck the knobs of are pulling more profits to the top.

Why is this ok with you?

Soooooo....what did you mean exactly? Your first paragraph is a little cryptic. Your final statement is clear as day, and I addressed it with my response to which you claim is a strawman.

Thats not the world we live in.

I want to see single payer healthcare funded by the government but until that happens we have what we have.

Well, we all have wants, dont we?

 

[JSt0rm]

Here let me re-quote your own post:


Soooooo....what did you mean exactly? Your first paragraph is a little cryptic. Your final statement is clear as day, and I addressed it with my response to which you claim is a strawman.



Well, we all have wants, dont we?

So you being ok with big business fucking over the little man tells me you are ok with big business fucking over the little man. It doesnt tell me you "revel in the poor being poor"

Your ideology puts you in a position to be ok with big business leveraging their might against poor people.

As a individual removed from your ideology I'm sure you dont "revel in the poor being poor". I never fucking said that. Hence its a strawman to block your true intentions and that is its ok for big business to leverage against the little guy with no government interference.

 

[blackangst1]

So you being ok with big business fucking over the little man tells me you are ok with big business fucking over the little man. It doesnt tell me you "revel in the poor being poor"

Your ideology puts you in a position to be ok with big business leveraging their might against poor people.

As a individual removed from your ideology I'm sure you dont "revel in the poor being poor". I never fucking said that. Hence its a strawman to block your true intentions and that is its ok for big business to leverage against the little guy with no government interference.

Im not sure what country you live in, but here in the USA companies have the right to pay people what theyre willing to work for, given its above the minimum wage mandate.

Agreeing with that doesnt make my ideology one of "big business fucking over the little man", or "big business leveraging their might against poor people". Youre a fucking moron if you think so. But hey...jump to whatever conclusions you'd like. Just remember what country *I* live in.

 

[JSt0rm]

Im not sure what country you live in, but here in the USA companies have the right to pay people what theyre willing to work for, given its above the minimum wage mandate.

And do you think those people have the right to join together and demand more money from these companies?

 

[Throckmorton]

In the end I will be living in Bali enjoying my retirement and you'll be living in LA........LMAO!!!!!

Can't wait until the new rules take effect. I suspect you will be enjoying a nice vacation from the forums.

Why would you retire to Bali rather than stay in America?

 

[blackangst1]

And do you think those people have the right to join together and demand more money from these companies?

Absolutely. And the companies have zero obligation to consider it. Maybe back in the 18th and possible the 19th century the majority of companies hired people to get them on their feet, help a brother out, etc...all the things you mistakenly think a company should hire people for...but sorry to break it to ya, thats not why companies hire people, nor is it their obligation.

 

[gingermeggs]

The last I checked the Caribbean is made up of 3rd world countries. The climate in the Caribbean is no different than Bali. The best part of living in Bali is you don't have to worry about a hurricane wiping out everything you own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bali

You don't have clue about bali do you?

Hope you like waking up at 5am every morning for starters.
http://www.islamicfinder.org/prayerDetail.php?country=cameroon&city=Bali&id=1401&lang=
Then there is this to worry about-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_encephalitis

 

[JSt0rm]

Absolutely. And the companies have zero obligation to consider it. Maybe back in the 18th and possible the 19th century the majority of companies hired people to get them on their feet, help a brother out, etc...all the things you mistakenly think a company should hire people for...but sorry to break it to ya, thats not why companies hire people, nor is it their obligation.

when did I ever say those are the reasons for a company to hire people?

You seem to connect a lot of dots wrongly.

I know in the America *I* live in we don't take to kindly to your misinterpretations of reality.

Do you believe a living wage should be paid for work performed?

 

[JSt0rm]

Why would you retire to Bali rather than stay in America?

Because he is poor and thinks he is stretching his dollar. hahahaha.

 

[blackangst1]

when did I ever say those are the reasons for a company to hire people?

You seem to connect a lot of dots wrongly.

I know in the America *I* live in we don't take to kindly to your misinterpretations of reality.

Do you believe a living wage should be paid for work performed?

Pot meet kettle.

As to your question, I cant answer it until such time as "living wage" is clearly defined. Its pretty vague. But I'll start here. Do I believe someone should be paid enough as a full time fry cooker at Mickey D's to afford a mortgage, car payment, utilities, and feed a family of 3? No, I dont. The work doesnt warrant it.

edit: as far as the America you and I both live in, I think its perfectly fair for a company to hire someone at what theyre willing to work for, provided its above minimum wage. As a general rule. But Ive made that clear.

 

[gingermeggs]

Pot meet kettle.

As to your question, I cant answer it until such time as "living wage" is clearly defined. Its pretty vague. But I'll start here. Do I believe someone should be paid enough as a full time fry cooker at Mickey D's to afford a mortgage, car payment, utilities, and feed a family of 3? No, I dont. The work doesnt warrant it.

edit: as far as the America you and I both live in, I think its perfectly fair for a company to hire someone at what theyre willing to work for, provided its above minimum wage. As a general rule. But Ive made that clear.

Ohhh they don't want to work!!!!!
Is this your capitalist form of jungle law?
It looks like defacto slavery to me!
What about capital gains, how much right should it have to earn a living for people that don't actually do any productive work- investors they call them, not "slave daddies" like I do.
But lets keep hitting the poor! they can't hit back, they are scum!

 

[JSt0rm]

Pot meet kettle.

As to your question, I cant answer it until such time as "living wage" is clearly defined. Its pretty vague. But I'll start here. Do I believe someone should be paid enough as a full time fry cooker at Mickey D's to afford a mortgage, car payment, utilities, and feed a family of 3? No, I dont. The work doesnt warrant it.

edit: as far as the America you and I both live in, I think its perfectly fair for a company to hire someone at what theyre willing to work for, provided its above minimum wage. As a general rule. But Ive made that clear.

do you think minimum wage should adjust for inflation?

 

[gingermeggs]

do you think minimum wage should adjust for inflation?

What about tax brackets, they should too!

But this makes it hard for bottom feeders to work the cycle of the economy, your flattening out the economy into a consistent state, it no longer will offer "easy money" or opportunities for fraud.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Man. Have you looked into what your healthcare costs will be? medicare wont cover you on foreign soil.

Thank you for leaving the country btw. Saves us some money taking care of your old ass. Just please dont come back.

Yes, I'm fully aware of the health costs. It's a pitance compared to here. I can get generic medications cheaper than Walmart pharmacies charge.

My social security and 401k checks will be deposited in US banks and I can access the money via an ATM.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why would you retire to Bali rather than stay in America?

My wife is Indonesian and this is where we've chosen to retire. Not to mention all our profits will taxed based on her citizenship and be free of US taxes.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You don't have clue about bali do you?

Hope you like waking up at 5am every morning for starters.
http://www.islamicfinder.org/prayerDetail.php?country=cameroon&city=Bali&id=1401&lang=
Then there is this to worry about-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_encephalitis

Thanks for showing your ignorance, Bali is predominately hindu. I've worked in Bali for over a year. This is how I found an outstanding deal on the property my wife and I own there.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Because he is poor and thinks he is stretching his dollar. hahahaha.

Yet I'll still be living better than you.

 

[blackangst1]

Ohhh they don't want to work!!!!!
Is this your capitalist form of jungle law?
It looks like defacto slavery to me!
What about capital gains, how much right should it have to earn a living for people that don't actually do any productive work- investors they call them, not "slave daddies" like I do.
But lets keep hitting the poor! they can't hit back, they are scum!

I hope youre being sarcastic since I didnt imply or say those things.

do you think minimum wage should adjust for inflation?

Yes based on federally published inflation rates. But, unfortunately, the net effect would be minimal since very, very few, if any, work for federal minimum wage.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yet I'll still be living better than you.

I'm young and in a high demand field with no salary cap. That is yet to be determined.