Help with Power Supply <$100, Stable Power

[VinDSL]

Bah! Now you're using dishonest tactics!

That's the 'OJ Defense'... You bury your opponent with an endless barrage of questions. Then, the first time you catch them in an inconsistency, you jump up n' down, claiming some sort of hollow victory. Sorry, Homey, don't play that game...

Howard, nobody wants to watch to a bunch of insecure white males have a pissing contest!

Back on topic, what should this guy buy?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
Bah! Now you're using dishonest tactics!

That's the 'OJ Defense'...

Better than the Chewbacca defense, I should say. And that isn't my purpose at all; I'm just refuting each of your points in a methodical manner. It beats dicking around with wiseass comments.


I'm not white, I'm not old, and I don't have dentures.

Then, the first time you catch them in an inconsistency, you jump up n' down, claiming some sort of hollow victory

And the best way to keep me from catching onto one is to move onto a new argument every time and never address my rebuttals, is that correct?

 

[VinDSL]

Well, the funny part is... this was a misunderstanding, from the get-go -- and a joke gone awry, if you will!

Originally posted by: VinDSL
I used the Calculator link that 'Baked' supplied. I *think* it's pretty accurate! It calculated 414W for my system rig...

The thing is, it has an LED output load meter on it... and my rig idles at approx 200W. That's just the 'box', not the monitor, and so forth. When I do ANYTHING intensive, it pegs the display (300W). It's VERY possible that this thing is actually using 414W at 'the wall'... maybe more...

What I meant by that was, the calculator judged my rig to consume 414W at the PSU, and that's fairly accurate, because I'm probably using that or more at the wall. I just picked 414W to be cute. I wasn't suggesting that's how YOU should calculate your power needs. It was simple an idle observation. On the other hand, if the calc said I needed a 414W PSU, and my UPS was only showing a 75W power output, that would give me pause, although the two don't have much to do with each other.

As an aside, I used to run two computers, two monitors, two modems, a hub, and a printer on this UPS, and it would run for about 5 minutes, when the power went out. With this machine, it won't even handle 'the box', even with fresh batteries -- and that amazes me -- soooo, put another way, it doesn't surprise me that this thing requires a 414W PSU.

That's all I was babbling about, but everyone jumped on that like flies on stink -- said they didn't know what I was trying to prove, except my ignorance, and so forth, so I decided to have some fun too.

Anyway, I guess I was too convincing, and I'm soory that you got caught up in it. I tried to *warn* you with the 'fish on the line' comment, e.g. I was reeling them in, but I guess that was too enigmatic. I suppose I should have PM'ed you... but I didn't... oh, well. Live n' learn!

 

[orangat]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: orangat
What people are trying to tell you is that psu's are rated for their output...

Which output is rated? All they have is a single figure -- Blah Pro 550W or whatever...

If input doesn't mean anything, why do they 'rate' the efficiency of PSUs?
And, if wall current isn't important, why do they sell meters to 'rate' that?
.............
All joking (and arguing) aside, this is what I would recommend today (3-Sept-2006)...

I never said input doesn't matter (you're getting to be as bad as dbteler or whatever is name is). And your question is about as odd as asking whether a car manufacturers takes wind resistance into account when advertising the top speed.

Its just a fact that psu's are rated on their output and its clearly stated in the atx spec. Efficiency is rated because its part of the spec as well. And the Silverstone st50ef is insufficient for a high end xfire/sli for th reasons given in my previous posts.

Look up old threads in the general hardware section for psu recommendations.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: orangat
I never said input doesn't matter...

Oh, stop it!

LoL! I was just pulling your virtual leg... :laugh:

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: orangat
And the Silverstone st50ef is insufficient for a high end xfire/sli for th reasons given in my previous posts...

Okay, that I'll comment on...

This guy said he was *thinking* about CrossFire'ing his rig in a couple of years *maybe*.

Translation: Ain't never gonna happen!

Therefore, I *think* the SilverStone SST-ST50EF-Plus would be quite sufficient.

 

[orangat]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: orangat
And the Silverstone st50ef is insufficient for a high end xfire/sli for th reasons given in my previous posts...

Okay, that I'll comment on...

This guy said he was *thinking* about CrossFire'ing his rig in a couple of years *maybe*.
Translation: Ain't never gonna happen!
Therefore, I *think* the SilverStone SST-ST50EF-Plus would be quite sufficient.

He wasn't just thinking. He said he might get another x1900xt as early as a year away and he was specifically asking for xfire compliant psu's. In which case the st50ef would not be sufficient.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: orangat
He wasn't just thinking. He said he might get another x1900xt as early as a year away and he was specifically asking for xfire compliant psu's. In which case the st50ef would not be sufficient.

Here's the official list. Got some interesting possibilities in there...

Booster X3 300W (FSP300-1E01) in conjunction
with a Sparkle 460W (FSP460-60PFN)

Thermaltake Purepower Power Express 250W* (W0130RU)
*In conjunction with a standard 450W or above Power Supply

Buy one now -- add another later!

My case is setup for two PSUs...

 

[dBTelos]

Is it just me, or does VinDSL, Jediyoda, and Orangat just go around pissing different people, one at a time?

 

[VinDSL]

Yep, it's you, dBTelos!

Here's the problem...

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
My case is setup for two PSUs...

I talked to Mountain Mods about doing this. Since they work with these dual PSU setups all the time, I asked them about running the mobo and vid card on one PSU and the HDs, optical drives, fans, pump, et cetera, on the other PSU.

They said that would work fine, expect I should run the HDs on the same PSU as the mobo -- otherwise, I would run the risk of losing/corrupting data on the HDs. They said it's happened to several customers.

Anyway, I think it's encouraging that ATI recommends doing this with CrossFire!

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
Yep, it's you, dBTelos!

Here's the problem...

What exactly are you referring to?

 

[VinDSL]

Here you go, Howie...

Originally posted by: dBTelos
Is it just me, or does VinDSL, Jediyoda, and Orangat just go around pissing different people, one at a time?

This is called an ad hominem attack. You should know that -- you do it all the time yourself!

It's clear that the purpose of dBTelos characterization is to discredit 'us', and, specifically, to invite others to do so too. By asking a rhetorical question, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, he's doing exactly what he accuses 'us' of doing. Next thing you know, we're right back into a pissing contest!

Playground debating tactics don't work on ppl like me. Save them for your GF...

 

[VinDSL]

Back on topic, what do you think about dual PSUs, Howard?

Are ATI & Mountain Mods full of it?

To my way off thinking, you can get four rails & a full KW of power for $190 (2 x SilverStone SST-ST50EF-Plus)!

How's that for a smoking deal?

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: orangat

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Your entire analysis was flawed...

If I'm wrong, please tell me why, if you can provide links then that's even better.

What people are trying to tell you is that psu's are rated for their output, no links just plain psu-commonsense.

Give up, as the ancient saying goes: you can lead a 13 year old to the internet and all he'll do is name himself after a James Bond knock off and make a tit out of himself.

 

[dBTelos]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
Here you go, Howie...

Originally posted by: dBTelos
Is it just me, or does VinDSL, Jediyoda, and Orangat just go around pissing different people, one at a time?

This is called an ad hominem attack. You should know that -- you do it all the time yourself!

It's clear that the purpose of dBTelos characterization is to discredit 'us', and, specifically, to invite others to do so too. By asking a rhetorical question, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, he's doing exactly what he accuses 'us' of doing. Next thing you know, we're right back into a pissing contest!

Playground debating tactics don't work on ppl like me. Save them for your GF...

I have no reason to get into the argument, and I was just pointing out what seems to be blatantly obvious.

 

[VinDSL]

Dual (not redundant) PSUs? :thumbsup: or :thumbsdown:

Here's an example of what I'm talking about...

 

[Howard]

Multiple PSUs doesn't quite strike me as very efficient (in more ways than one).

EDIT: The last person to call me Howie was Luckyboy. Any relation?

 

[Praxis1452]

luckyboy never seemed to learn either... or maybe it was just me. Didn't he "quit" the forum? or was he banned?

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: Howard
The last person to call me Howie was Luckyboy. Any relation?

Nope! Sorry... I guess...

Don't read too much into it. I call Zepper 'Zipper' sometimes, for no particular reason -- like calling Coca-Cola 'Coke', you know?

Heh! Look, I've been on the web for a long time -- had a web site since '96. I'm well established in several communities -- was contacting by a commissioning agent to write some books for Packt, for instance. Ask them if I'm for real...

I'm just a late arrival here -- after years of lurking... never felt like posting, until I bought a Dell 1907FP, and somebody was asking about them. Figured, as long as I took the trouble to sign-up, I might as well post.

I get a kick out of how ppl keep thinking I'm this or that person. I'm just myself. I'm not a troll. I don't use different 'nicks' on different boards, et cetera. I just have a different way of looking at things!

What have 'you' done... driven everybody off this board that offers an opposing point of view? Is that why everybody thinks I'm somebody else? This is the only board where this happens, BTW. Kind of a funny place, this is!

Anyway, how about breaking out of the mold, and giving me more than a one-liner on dual PSUs? I'm seriously thinking about doing this, and I know you have a PSU fixation. That's why you've been attacking me, right? You think I'm desecrating your alter...

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: Howard
The last person to call me Howie was Luckyboy. Any relation?

Nope! Sorry... I guess...

Anyway, how about breaking out of the mold, and giving me more than a one-liner on dual PSUs? I'm seriously thinking about doing this, and I know you have a PSU fixation. That's why you've been attacking me, right? You think I'm desecrating your alter...

You asked me what I thought, and I replied. Why would you expect a long post?

I'm not attacking you because you're "desecrating my altar", I'm attacking your ideas because I think they're wrong.

 

[Conky]

Here's a nice PC&P P/S for $99. Text

My next P/S is definitely gonna be one from this company.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
Here's a nice PC&P P/S for $99. Text

My next P/S is definitely gonna be one from this company.

$100 for a Seasonic unit with only 26A on the +12V rail? I'd pass.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
Here's a nice PC&P P/S for $99. Text

My next P/S is definitely gonna be one from this company.

Your paying for the name when win-tact doesn't even manufacture it. It's made by seasonic. and you can get Seasonic for much less.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Your paying for the name when wintech doesn't even manufacture it. It's made by seasonic. and you can get Seasonic for much less.

How much are 'we' talking about?