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Help with ICS dial up sharing

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ellisz

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OK,

I am running a D-Link 614+ wireless router to connect two computers via wired NIC's and a wireless NIC in a laptop. The main computer is running XP Pro and I went through the network set up wizard and created the setup disk for the other computers. The other computers run WIN98 SE. I can access the other computers and the other computers can access the main PC. Print sharing works fine.

The problem comes with the internet sharing. When I try and access the internet via the second computer or the laptop, I get nothing. It comes up with my normal dial up prompt or just says no page found. Do I have to configure anything special on the client computers? I have the TCP/IP setting to obtain an IP address automatically, use DHCP for WINS resolution, no gateways, DNS disabled. These are the settings that got setup by the wizard on the client computers and these same setting are shown in the Belkin NIC manual for sharing an internet connection.

Do I need to remove the previous dial up? What am I missing?

I am tring to seacrh practillynetworked.com but it is slow going.

Just to be sure I understand what ICS is supposed to do ...

Will the client computers be able to initiate the dial-up on the main computer as long as it is turned on? If this is the case, then all I have to do is just open the browser on the client computer. Right?

Thanks for the help. Everything went smooth up to this point.
 
You don?t need ICS.

ICS is software NAT for people who do not have a Router.

In the Internet browser I.E 5 or 6, pull down the Tools menu click on Internet option, click on the Connection TAB, and check "Never Dial a Connection.? You have to use the LAN.

You better off with clean settings f you don?t need dialup any more, remove it from the network.
 
I basically just used the network setup wizard and told it I wanted to share the internet connection with other computers and then selected my dial up as the source. Maybe I have my terminolgy wrong.

The manual to the router just talks about cable/DSL modems.

When I try to connect to the internet with one of the client computers, it will initiate the dial up on the main computer right? Or do I have to have a connection to the internet all the time? If I am on the internet on the main computer and I start a browser on a client computer, it will just piggy back the already on connection?

Also, should I be getting the log in for Microsoft Networking when I boot up. It does it on the two 98 machines.

Thanks
 
May be you should describe better your setting.

You don't use Cable, or DSL but you use DialUp.

Where is your modem installed?

If the modem is not an external connected to the Router, you do need ICS.

Look here: ICS Installation Win98SE


 
Ok, I will check out those links.

I don't have access to cable or DSL. I use a dial up with an internal PCI modem in the XP machine which is the main/Host computer.

I have been playing with one of the clients and I removed all the options in the config under networking. All that is left is: Client for MS networks, PCI Network Card, TCP/IP and File and Printer sharing. All the items listed in my first post are still in effect under the TCP/IP properties. I removed the dial-up and TCP/IP options for my modem. I went into IE like you said and took out the dial up setting and under the LAN settings it says automatically detect. With nothing in the proxy. Still does nothing in IE but says page not found ...

When I started the ICS, it took the IP 192.168.0.1 so I made the router 192.168.0.2 and the other two 98 computer are xxx.xxx.x.3 and xxx.xxx.x.4

File sharing and Printing work fine.

 
If I follow you correctly, I suspect you need to disable dhcp in the router -- otherwise the router and ics may be fighting with each other.

You may also want to look at the recent Dialup Router thread.
 
In my network connections, under dial up I have my ISP listed showing connected, shared and firewalled.

Under network bridge, I have 1394 connection, Local Area connection and network bridge. Not sure what the 1394 connection is for but I guess it has to do with my firewire card.

Should I have anything else listed. I saw mention of a gateway on practillynetworked.com ICS pages ...

Thanks
 
The network bridge was probably created by the XP network setup wizard. your setup is slightly confusing to me, but I'm guessing

(a) dhcp should be disabled on the router (also, you aren't using the WAN port on the router, are you? You shouldn't be). Both ics and the router may be trying to perform dhcp functions.

(b) The server PC will have to be connected to the internet in order for the other PCs to have access. I don't think you will get a convenient dial-up whenever you want it.
 
I am not using the WAN connection since I don't have a broadband connection.

What will the implications be of disabling DHCP? Will I have to make changes to my TC/IP connections or set up IP addresses?

EDIT:

I posted before testing the DHCP disable? I got the internet to come up on the client computer I had been working on 🙂 I have not tested the dial up fuctionality though.

One question I have is on the practillynetworked.com site it shows the the dial up can be initiated by the clients through the gateway and that the Gateway shows up in the network connections. I don't show this. Should I see something about this?

Thanks
 
OK, I had to post again. I booted up the laptop and success! It connected to an already on connection. I tested the dial up function on the other client and it dial up the conection just fine. Only problem I have now is when I close the browser, it does not disconnect. Seems like the stuff about the gateways have a connect/disconnect button? Anyone know about this?

It will work perfect if I can turn off the connection remotely!

Thanks for all the help so far. I aplogize for all the questions and misspelling practically so many times 🙂
 
That is interesting. I thought disabling dhcp would work but I didn't know the the clients would be able to get the main machine to dial up.

As for disconnecting, try this. Click on the downloads button, and it tells you about Twiga's remote disconnection utility. Never tried it, but it sounds like what you want, and it says it works with ics. Maybe there are other ways too.

EDIT: Also see Getting ICS to drop a dialup connection . Also, Connection Timeout Settings.

I found these links on ICS Troubleshooting.
 
I just dowloaded the Twiga program and checked the ICS drop connection link before I saw your post 🙂

I think the program will work best but not sure how it works yet. The other one seems pretty easy, it is just a registry edit but it says to remove ICS and your network components and then reinstall before you do the edit. Not sure why you have to do that but I don't particularly want to set it up all over again 🙂

I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks
 
For what ever it may worth.

It could be that at the end you will make it work, however it is probably going to be a source of ?on and off? trouble even if initially it will work.

You have state of the art Router (Wireless 22Mb/sec. new TI chip), given the nature of your Internet connection, the only part you are really enjoying is the fast wireless WAP. If this Router has an external serial port, get an external Modem. Otherwise you are going to feel like a person who drives a fancy car with one wheel missing.

If the router does not have a serial port replace it. If you like the wireless part and it is smooth and fast, get an additional simple router with serial port, and external modem.

Here is an example of what might help:

$55 - SMC 7004ABR BARRICADE 4-PORT CABLE / DSL ROUTER WITH PRINT SERVER.

You need to buy an external 56K modem to use it (shop carefully you can find one for $35 - $50).

Example: $43 - HAWKING PN5614KV 56K V.90 / K56FLEX DUAL MODE DATA / FAX / VOICE EXTERNAL MODEM .

Get only returnable items, in case it does not work.



 
Jack:

Thanks for the tip. I had read about the SMC router and there is a wireless model too. It has everything but I had read reviews of people not getting the dial up sharing to work or that the network would go down every few hours. I asked a few places for reviews but got none. I wanted something that I could try and if it did not work, I would take it back. That is why I went the BB route.

As for the setup, it is working great. The Twiga program works like a charm. I still am not sure why I need it though. Seems ICS would have something for this but hey, I can disconnect now.

Only problem I have now is I used to always have the computer in sleep mode when not in use. If I do this, the network does not function. The NIC I have has Wake on lan and it is hooked up on the Host computer but I cant get the clients to trigger the Host to wake up. I tried come settings in the BIOS to wake with PCI activity and some kind of modem/Lan setting. I have an EPOX mother board. I assume it is something simple or just can't be done. I now just have the screen saver to come on and the network goes past it no problem.

RW12055: I appreciate all your help. You have replied to every post I made and I appreciate that. This was my first attempt at a network and you helped a lot. My wife hated the time I spent working on it but tonight when she surfed the internet on the laptop with no cables attached, she liked it 🙂
 
I am glad that it is working. 😀

Nice of you to repost and summarize the outcome.

Sadly, most people don?t bother. 🙁
 
I was happy it turned out. Only took 2-3 days total 🙂

I really wanted the SMC wireless router/AP. It had everything...

Thanks again ...
 
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