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AliasX

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Parts I plan on getting:

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820227210

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103546
^note: I do not plan on overclocking it, I have no experience in doing so, and really just don't want to

Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130238
^note: It comes with a free motherboard

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813188002


I have my case, and it came with a 420watt power supply.
I am using the drives from my current DELL computer.
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Questions:

1. What is the difference between the following 3 video cards?
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130238
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130256
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130249

2. Do you think my power supply will be able to handle the load, + some case lights?

3. I plan on using the OS Install cd from my DELL, will it work?

4. Do the parts seem good? I heard doing an SLI setup of 2 6800's can be better than one 7800GT. Also, is the motherboard going to give me problems?

5. Is it possible to run an SLI setup with 2 7800GT's? Just wondering for future refference.

I am coming from a computer with:
256mb of ram
1.7ghz P4
ATI Radeon 9550

6. WIll I see major improvments?

7. Really, I want a gaming computer, but also one that will stay somewhat up to date for a little bit (hence the X2 processor), will this run BF2?

8. http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustRatin...814102483&SortField=0&Pagesize=&Page=3
compared to the 7800gt?

I know it is a lot, sorry, maybe you could type the number of the question then your answer? Thanks :)
 
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JMoore

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2.) PS might be able to handle the load. It depends on if it is a quality PSU or not (aka name Brand). WHat brand is it? The PSU is def something you do NOT want to skimp on

3.) I think so. Not sure. It def will install, I just do not know about updating.

4.) NO SLI is overratted. SLI is for the people with a shitload of money to spend.

5.) Yes, but by that time why not just get a new gfx card? Direct x 10 will be out by then and you'll want that.

6.) Totally.

7.) OF course, why wouldn't it?It just won't utilize both cores......

8.) 7800 gt all the way

*I'd prob just go with some cheap Value RAM from OCZ, Kingston, Corsair, or GSkill.
* I heard to Epox MB is the mb of choice for socket 939. Unless you want the DFI to OC really high.

Edit: Whew, that was probably my longest reply ever..... :)
 
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JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: AliasX
Questions:

1. What is the difference between the following 3 video cards?
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130238
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130256
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130249
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The first one comes with a free motherboard
The second one is the same as the first, but with composite out, but no motherboard
The third one is factory overclocked to 470/1100

2. Do you think my power supply will be able to handle the load, + some case lights?
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What brand quality supply? A 420 watt of a good brand could, a 420W cheap brand probably wouldn't take it too well.

3. I plan on using the OS Install cd from my DELL, will it work?
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NO

4. Do the parts seem good? I heard doing an SLI setup of 2 6800's can be better than one 7800GT. Also, is the motherboard going to give me problems?
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They're ok, but not the best. The 4200+ is over $100 cheaper and will perform the same. At this time, it would be a wiser choice to buy a single 7800GT. I can't speak for the quality of the eVGA motherboard as I don't own one. Definitely some room for improvement otherwhere as well. Performance ram, for example, is a complete waste of money. Value memory does just as well on A64s.

5. Is it possible to run an SLI setup with 2 7800GT's? Just wondering for future refference.
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Yes

I am coming from a computer with:
256mb of ram
1.7ghz P4
ATI Radeon 9550

6. WIll I see major improvments?
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It depends on what you do. Word processing/web browsing? No. Gaming? definitely

7. Really, I want a gaming computer, but also one that will stay somewhat up to date for a little bit (hence the X2 processor), will this run BF2?
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Yes, It will run it quite well. (All high, 1600x1200, and 4XAA if you get that 7800GT) ;)

8. http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustRatin...814102483&SortField=0&Pagesize=&Page=3
compared to the 7800gt?
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I'd just recommend getting the 7800GT.
 
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Cheaper price and free shipping on cpu...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80726-R

If you are NOT overclocking, the ram you linked to is a waste, get this...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80098-86

1. What is the difference between the following 3 video cards?

Ram and gpu speed most likely.

2. Do you think my power supply will be able to handle the load, + some case lights?

What power supply? Don't use the one with your Dell, it won't work and may cause damage to other hardware.

3. I plan on using the OS Install cd from my DELL, will it work?

It will install. You'll have to register it, it may or may not register b'c it's a Dell oem license.

4. Do the parts seem good? I heard doing an SLI setup of 2 6800's can be better than one 7800GT. Also, is the motherboard going to give me problems?

No, single 7800 GT will beat an SLI 6800 config. Why would the motherboard give you problems?

5. Is it possible to run an SLI setup with 2 7800GT's? Just wondering for future refference.

Yes, sure.

6. WIll I see major improvments?

Yes. No doubt, huge.

7. Really, I want a gaming computer, but also one that will stay somewhat up to date for a little bit (hence the X2 processor), will this run BF2?

Yes.

8. 7800 GT.
 
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Bobthelost

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It's probably crap then. Get a new one.

Seasonic 500W is nice, as are the Neo HE range, anything from PCP&C, the enermax liberty line is good.
 
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AliasX

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Get this review of the psu:
Excellent, Inexpensive Case

Comments: I've been using one of these cases for over a year now and I've had absolutely no problems with it. When I bought it I figured I would use the power supply that came with it for a while and replace it if I had any problems. In all this time, I've never had any trouble, so I'm still using the original PSU.

I'm running 4 160GB ATA/133 HDD's, a Geforce FX5900 card that requires it's own power connector, three 80mm case fans, a P4 2.8Ghz overclocked to 3.2Ghz with a gig of DDR 400, 2 Dvd+-r drives, and a high end Zalman fan/heatsink. Everything runs fairly cool and it is reasonable quiet.

As for the case itself, it's pretty sturdy and looks cool but not gaudy. It has a nice glossy finish that is quite tough and doesn't scratch easily. The plastic front panel is pretty sturdy as well, and the couple of times I managed to knock it off, it didn't break the clips and I could just push them back into place.

In short, I would highly recommend this as an excellent case that's inexpensive, but still good quality.
 
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Bobthelost

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No it doesnt. ;)

First thing to look at is the name, ultra's aren't a great name. Haven't heard anything bad about them, but i haven't heard any reputable site that has rated them either = not worth buying.

Second it's far, far too high wattage for your computer. Even with overclocking at peak load you won't break 300W. For comfort levels i'd advise a 400-450W PSU.

Look at the seasonic s12-430W PSU. It's one of the quietest PSUs there is, high efficency and good voltage regualtion. Bad points are the messy cabling, lack of modual cables and/or any bells/whistles. Also the Enermax liberty is supposed to be good, i think there is a 450W model, modular cables and still has high efficency and quiet running. The Antec Neo He is a good PSU line, there have been problems with it and some ASUS motherboards, but it's supposed to have been fixed by now.
 
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JMoore

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AliasX

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Well, I have a 420watt power supply that came with my case, but from what I heard on other forums and such, it won't be enough. Some poeple have trouble running components similar to mine on a 500watt psu.
 
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JMoore

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Watts is nto what matters on a Power Supply. Most generic PS's just blow up that figure while they are really no better than most 300 Watt Quality PS's. What you look for is how many volts are on the 12 Volt rail. (aka 12v@ ____). The higher number the better. Your system should at least have 21 on that in my opionon, and probably more.


***A BAD PSU MIGHT TAKE YOUR SYSTEM IF IT FAILS****
 
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Bobthelost

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Originally posted by: AliasX
Well, I have a 420watt power supply that came with my case, but from what I heard on other forums and such, it won't be enough. Some poeple have trouble running components similar to mine on a 500watt psu.
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Because the PSUs that ship with most cases can't do what they are rated to. Most people don't know what they are talking about when they look at power draw for computers.

Read the review of the FX-60
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2668

Look at the power draw measurements for the FX-60 and the P4 systems (as in CPU, Graphics card, HDs, everything), they don't break 300W at full load measured at the wall and the system is higher spec than yours. The bit in bold is important, as PSUs are rated by the power they give out, not take in. So assuming 80% efficency that means a 300W PSU could have powered the FX-60 system with lots of room to spare.

On second thoughts go for a good name 350-400W.
 
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AliasX

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Bah, I am still going to try it out with the 420watt power supply that came with my case. My budget was 1100, and with what it looks like I will need to buy, Windows XP and possibly a new PSU, I will be going far over that.

I am going to try to be cheap on whatever I can, just hope my power supply doesnt blow everything up if it can't handle the load.
 
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Bobthelost

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It probably won't, i used a generic PSU and when it died it just scared the living daylights out of me and needed replacing.

I wouldn't advise using the generic one for ever. Think about getting hold of a second hand FSP or antec from the sales forum here or ebay.
 
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JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: AliasX
Bah, I am still going to try it out with the 420watt power supply that came with my case. My budget was 1100, and with what it looks like I will need to buy, Windows XP and possibly a new PSU, I will be going far over that.

I am going to try to be cheap on whatever I can, just hope my power supply doesnt blow everything up if it can't handle the load.
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If you were willing to spend $470 on a processor and $240 on memory, but you can't afford a quality $50 power supply then your priorities are sorely misplaced.

Simply 'hoping for the best' is NOT something you want to do when you have over $1000 on the line. :roll:
 
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AliasX

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You are quite right, gaming definetly requires a quality power supply. No offense.
 
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AliasX

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So I am probably gonna use linux until I can afford the OS, assuming my Dell OS disk doesn't work.
I realize that is a quality PSU you linked to, but if I am going to spend more money on getting a good PSU, f***, why not go all the way.

Is the following any good?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148019

I am tempted to go with it due to high wattage, even though I have learned that that can mean ******, and because it got good reviews.

I just can't bring myself to tip my budget for 30 more watts, even if the arguement is that it is quality. and yes, I did read the anandtech article.
 
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JMoore

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That is what I like to call overkill lol..... I don't know, but I would probably not spend that much on a PSU considering you can get something just fine that is less. The only thing that might be good is that you could probably use it for anothe system 2,3 or maybe even 4 years down the line. Still, though, if you are going to spend that much money go Seasonic. They are quiet and everything awesome.
 
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Bobthelost

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Reviews on newegg mean nothing.

Where is the review on anandtech exactly? Or Bit-tech, or SPCR, or even tom's hardware?

For $100 you might as well go all the way and buy a decent PSU alright, so why the hell are you looking at that one?

BRAND NAME FIRST.
 
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JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: AliasX
Is the following any good?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148019
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The spec sheet looks good, but again, you're still looking at poor quality brands.

Really, the ONLY ones you should even be considering are:

Antec
Enermax
Fortron
OCZ
PC Power & Cooling
Seasonic
Sparkle
Zippy

I can't stress this enough. Brand name >>>>>>>>>>>>> wattage rating. I would sooner put a 300W quality power supply in my system before I threw a generic noname 500W PSU in there.

I just can't bring myself to tip my budget for 30 more watts, even if the arguement is that it is quality. and yes, I did read the anandtech article.
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There is more than a 30W difference, Quality > Quantity
 
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oynaz

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If you do not use your Dell computer, you do not have to pay for a new Windows XP. Install your old XP on your new computer, and be done with it.

Edit: That is how it works in Europe at least.
 
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