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HELP! w/ Cel 566 & mobo combo

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gummiely

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I'm helping a friend upgrade his crap*ss 233mhz 64edo dinosaur, and i immediately thought of the imfamous celeron566 o/c-ing scheme. I've done a decent amt of research, however, this would be my very first o/c project. This is what i've considered so far:

Celeron 566 (retail)
Asus P3V4X mobo
Asus S370-133 slocket
Crucial/Micron 128Mb pc133 cas2

How does that sound? Now, is it also imperative that he have a good video card? He currently has an ATI Rage Pro 8mb pci. Thanks guys!
 
The best advice I can give you is don't put a Celeron 2 on a VIA chipset board. I too would recommend the BX Master. If onboard ATA66 is not required, the MSI 6163 Pro is identical to bus speeds at a more affordable price.
 
Thanks guys, i'll look into those. Ok, so no via chipset.. y is that, btw? Is there any specific reason y they don't work w/ the celeron 566? Any more recommendations? .. on a slocket perhaps?
 
I would go for the Iwill Slocket II, and a good BX chipset board like the Aopen AX6BC PRO II. You can't beat the stability, and O/c'ing the 566 is not demanding at all due to the fact that the FSB you will be using will be in the low 100's.

Yes, he must have a good video card due to the fact that the system will only be as fast as it's weakest link. I would suggest any of the new GeForce MX boards.
 
The only caveat here is that with a VIA chipset board you will leave the possibility of upgrading your cpu in the future without entirely getting a new motherboard. Since the BX chipset only officially supports 100Mhz FSB, if you wanted to run a 133Mhz FSB PIII then you'd be out of luck. Granted we all know that the BX chipset does work at 133 in most cases but just in case you don't want ro run your AGP card way out of spec or overclock that much or whatever then you may want to go with a VIA based board.

The BX chipset is very mature and will give you the best performance though. 🙂 The Aopen AXBC Pro is a great board as is the BX Master (from what I'v heard).

I do have a PC that's running an Asus P3V4X and cel2 566 running at 1.7/850 and it's great...much nicer than my old Abit BX6-R2 and celeron 300@450.

It is only important for you to get a good video card if you want to play the newest 3d games. If you don't want to spend much, grab a Geforce 2 MX card for $115 or less or an &quot;old&quot; TNT2 card for <$75.

That's all just my opinion. =) Feel free to ignore...hehe

Gaidin
 
My vote is for Abit BE6-II or BF6.They both have FSB settings from 83 up to 200 in 1 MHz increments.BE6-II has the HPT-366 controller to support UDMA/66 (some say it doesn't make a difference I personally found out it does), has 5 PCI slots and it is a bit more expensive.BF6 has no HPT366 controller, has 6 PCI slots and is a bit cheaper.Oh, and they are both have the BX chipset.
 
gummiely
<<<<<Ok, so no via chipset.. y is that, btw? Is there any specific reason y they don't work w/ the celeron 566? Any more recommendations?>>>>>
Look at Anand's latest review of the Duron. (or any other similar review he's done recently) and you will see that CII's run about 10% slower on a Via chipset than a BX when everything else is equal.
 
If you're looking for a bargain, then get an Abit ZM6, very cheap and as a bonus you don't need an adapter.
 
After considering ur guys' suggestions, and taking a look at Tom's &quot;10 Best for Freaks&quot; bx boards, it's come down to these two boards:
  • MSI BX-Master
  • ABIT BE6-II
Can i get some votes? How upgradable r these, anyhow? It'd be nice to keep 'em for at least 10 mo.- 1 yr. I also read about the BX-133 Raid from abit.. what's that all about? It sounds good! =)
 
Having worked with only a few BE6 II's, and many BX Masters, I can point out a couple differences that would sway me to the BX Master.
The Abit has 5 pci slots, where the Bx Master has 6. The biggie, pci slot bus mastering. You can fill all 6 slots with something and make it work. I've found the BE6 II to be somewhat finicky about card placement. The MSI has the Promise ATA66 controller, vs. Abit with the Highpoint, which is not as good. 🙂
 
If you are gonna go with a p3v4x, i'd stay away from the Asus slotket... Asus themselves have admitted that their slotket is among the ones the p3v4x does not read the cpu temp correctly from.



Mike
 
Well, couple of thoughts outside the current folks opinions:

1) Might look for an 815 chipset based board (best of both worlds) but probably about $40 more than a BX board of comparable OC features. 815 will support the AGP 4x, and 133MHz bus with correct divisors and it's intel chipset so it's a bit faster than the 133MHz VIA boards (and about the same as the good'ol BX based boards). Only thing is the availability and the cost factor. The advantage is that you can start with the celeron and move up to the PIII's when they drop in price (if you are so inclined).

2) Try and get PC133MHz ram if you are purchasing new. You'd be better off for sure and it's usually very close in cost to PC100.

3) I'd go with the CEL II 533a if you can find it. Just make sure it's the FC-PGA version and you're all set. Cost is the same as the 566 but your overclock success chances will be better. In addition, you have MORE overclock options in all likely hood... the 566 is borderline success at 850MHz. The 533@8x100 is damn easy to go 800MHz and you can still try the Turbo / 103MHz and with most boards now having 1MHZ increments you can/will probably get it to 8*106MHz = 848MHz and overall performance would be faster than the 8.5*100MHz (CEL566). My 533a runs sweet at 1.6v @ 824MHz with just a standard heatsink/fan.

@103-106MHz bus, even with a BX Board your AGP won't be far out of spec and if you get a recent nvidia based AGP card you'll be ok up to 133MHz/2 AGP anyway.

4) If you can get the Golden orb fan, it seems to be the one to use for cost/cooling performance.
 
Alright, now i'm down to choosing either the MSI BX-Master or the Asus CUSL2(i815e). The bxmaster is def. cheaper but the cusl2 seems to have much more features. They both seem pretty good. I want the 1 that will be more upgradeable in the future. Will intel continue to make socket370 interface cpu's? Or is it better to stick w/ a slot1 mobo? Once again... help? =|
 
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