HELP THE BIOS IS DEAD

[lotust]

Hi guys thanks for looking. I got a ASUS mobo with a working Slot A PII 400mhz in there. I just came across a Slot kit and a PIII 500 mhz from a system that had a small mobo fire! yes a fire

I tested the PIII on another system to make sure the PIII cpu only works. But when I use the slot kit and the PIII on a different Mobo i get the Bios beeps ? Does the asus 440BX support the PIII processor?



thanks in advance

 

[sharkeeper]

Yes it does.

You may need to update your BIOS if you plan on coppermine support.

-DAK-

 

[JackBurton]

FYI - Slot A= Athlon, Slot 1= PII/PIII. BX boards have Slot 1.

Like shuttleteam said, yes, 440BX boards support PIII Coppermines but you may need a BIOS update.

 

[lotust]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
FYI - Slot A= Athlon, Slot 1= PII/PIII. BX boards have Slot 1.

Like shuttleteam said, yes, 440BX boards support PIII Coppermines but you may need a BIOS update.

Kewl yes i ment Slot 1 hehe I know that



Im pretty sure I have the latest BIOS. anyone know where to get the latest one? I went to asus but im not sure if its the latest one.

BIOS Properties
BIOS Type Award Modular
Award BIOS Type Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
Award BIOS Message ASUS P2B ACPI BIOS Revision 1012
System BIOS Date 03/03/00
Video BIOS Date 05/15/00

BIOS Manufacturer
Company Name Phoenix Technologies Ltd.
Product Information http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/default.htm

Problems & Suggestions
Suggestion System BIOS is more than 2 years old. Update it if necessary.
Suggestion Video BIOS is more than 2 years old. Update it if necessary.

 

[lotust]

NM answered my own question


Slot 1 for Intel® Pentium® II Processor (233MHz-500MHz)
Pentium III Support with BIOS Rev. 1008 or later and i have 1012 i guess its the slot kit itself

 

[DaveSimmons]

If the p2B is an old one like I had, the CPU voltage can't go below 1.8v. If the slotket has manual voltage jumpers set them to 1.8v and it should work. This is slightly overvolting the p3 but won't hurt it.

 

[lotust]

Hey thanks for that info dave. I looked in the BIOS and it pumping out 2.0 volts. I guess thats too much for the chip? Ill have to see if there is a jumped on this motherboard to use a lower voltage.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: lotust
Hey thanks for that info dave. I looked in the BIOS and it pumping out 2.0 volts. I guess thats too much for the chip? Ill have to see if there is a jumped on this motherboard to use a lower voltage.

You're welcome, but it has to be done on the slotket -- what's happening is that the P3 asks the mobo to deliver 1.7v, the mobo can't and so doesn't boot to keep from frying the chip. With slotket jumpers on a good slotket you can make the P3 seem like it's asking for 1.8v instead of 1.7v.

 

[bacillus]

just to add that the latest bios for that board is 1014 & it's available from the german assus site!

 

[oldfart]

If you want to really speed it up, get an Upgradeware Slot-T Slocket ($20) and a Tually Celeron 1.4 GHz ($60).

 

[Eug]

Some random points and questions.

1) What revision of the P2B is it? It should be printed on the mobo between the PCI slots. This mobo revision is different from the BIOS revision.

2) The latest BIOS is 1014 Beta, and works fine. However, 1012 is all that you need, unless you want to run Tualatin.

3) There are various voltage regulators on the various boards. The 1.12 revision board apparently supports normal Coppermine voltages. My 1.10 supports voltages under 1.8 V, but only in 0.1 V increments it seems. (It may not matter since eg. 1.65 V chips seem to just boot at 1.7 V.) Older boards can't provide anything below 1.8 V.

4) A slot-kit has to be the right type and has to have voltage jumpers for the older boards for Coppermine. Just set the jumpers to the right voltage for the board. For Coppermine that would be 1.8 V - higher than most Coppermine CPUs but no big deal.

5) The Coppermine advice is irrelevant, since a 500 MHz PIII is NOT Coppermine.

6) Andy has a FAQ on the P2B.

7) I am running my Asus P2B rev. 1.10 motherboard with 1014 Beta BIOS, an Upgradeware Tualatin Slot-T converter, and a Celeron 1.4 GHz CPU. Prior to that I was running a Celeron Coppermine 533A @ 800 MHz with a Slot-1 converter, set to 1.8 V. Prior to that I was running a stock Slot-1 Celeron 366 at stock speed. With a Radeon 9100 and 512 MB RAM, I can play some maps of UT2003 adequately with my latest setup.

 

[lotust]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: lotust
Hey thanks for that info dave. I looked in the BIOS and it pumping out 2.0 volts. I guess thats too much for the chip? Ill have to see if there is a jumped on this motherboard to use a lower voltage.

You're welcome, but it has to be done on the slotket -- what's happening is that the P3 asks the mobo to deliver 1.7v, the mobo can't and so doesn't boot to keep from frying the chip. With slotket jumpers on a good slotket you can make the P3 seem like it's asking for 1.8v instead of 1.7v.

I wonder why i cant adjust the voltage from the slot kit. There are no jumpers on it.

Do you guys think the latest BIOS will let me adjust the V-core voltage?

 

[oldfart]

Not all slockets have voltage jumpers. The Slocket does not adjust the Vcore. It only sends a signal to the mobo on which Vcore to use. the reason you dont see the lower vcore options now is because you are using a 2.0V CPU. Put in a CuMine or Tually CPU, and the applicable Vcore options will show.

 

[lotust]

Originally posted by: Eug
Some random points and questions.

1) What revision of the P2B is it? It should be printed on the mobo between the PCI slots. This mobo revision is different from the BIOS revision.

2) The latest BIOS is 1014 Beta, and works fine. However, 1012 is all that you need, unless you want to run Tualatin.

3) There are various voltage regulators on the various boards. The 1.12 revision board apparently supports normal Coppermine voltages. My 1.10 supports voltages under 1.8 V, but only in 0.1 V increments it seems. (It may not matter since eg. 1.65 V chips seem to just boot at 1.7 V.) Older boards can't provide anything below 1.8 V.

4) A slot-kit has to be the right type and has to have voltage jumpers for the older boards. Just set the jumpers to the right voltage for the board. For Coppermine that would be 1.8 V - higher than most Coppermine CPUs but no big deal.

5) The Coppermine advice is irrelevant, since a 500 MHz PIII is NOT Coppermine.

6) Andy has a FAQ on the P2B.

7) With my Asus P2B 1.10 with 1014 Beta, with a Upgradeware Tualatin Slot-T converter, with a Celeron 1.4 GHz. Prior to that I was running a Celeron Coppermine 533A @ 800 MHz with a Slot-1 converter, set to 1.8 V. Prior to that I was running a stock Slot-1 Celeron 366 at stock speed. With a Radeon 9100 and 512 MB RAM, I can play some maps of UT2003 adequately with my latest setup.

Thanks Eug. its a PB2 rev 1.02 I guess im out of luck unless i can reduce some voltage and the only way i can do that is by jumpers on the Slot-kit right ? the 1014 beta will not let me adjust this right ?

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: lotust

Originally posted by: Eug
Some random points and questions.

1) What revision of the P2B is it? It should be printed on the mobo between the PCI slots. This mobo revision is different from the BIOS revision.

2) The latest BIOS is 1014 Beta, and works fine. However, 1012 is all that you need, unless you want to run Tualatin.

3) There are various voltage regulators on the various boards. The 1.12 revision board apparently supports normal Coppermine voltages. My 1.10 supports voltages under 1.8 V, but only in 0.1 V increments it seems. (It may not matter since eg. 1.65 V chips seem to just boot at 1.7 V.) Older boards can't provide anything below 1.8 V.

4) A slot-kit has to be the right type and has to have voltage jumpers for the older boards. Just set the jumpers to the right voltage for the board. For Coppermine that would be 1.8 V - higher than most Coppermine CPUs but no big deal.

5) The Coppermine advice is irrelevant, since a 500 MHz PIII is NOT Coppermine.

6) Andy has a FAQ on the P2B.

7) With my Asus P2B 1.10 with 1014 Beta, with a Upgradeware Tualatin Slot-T converter, with a Celeron 1.4 GHz. Prior to that I was running a Celeron Coppermine 533A @ 800 MHz with a Slot-1 converter, set to 1.8 V. Prior to that I was running a stock Slot-1 Celeron 366 at stock speed. With a Radeon 9100 and 512 MB RAM, I can play some maps of UT2003 adequately with my latest setup.

Thanks Eug. its a PB2 rev 1.02 I guess im out of luck unless i can reduce some voltage and the only way i can do that is by jumpers on the Slot-kit right ? the 1014 beta will not let me adjust this right ?

See line 5. oldfart explained it. You don't need to run lower voltages with Katmai CPUs. Do you have everything installed correctly? I assume you've set the mobo to 100 MHz for the PIII 500. Is your memory 100 MHz capable (preferably 8 ns or better)? Have you set your AGP to 2/3rds?

What you could try is to set the bus speed to 66, the AGP to 1:1, and see if it works. If it does, then it might be the memory or AGP and not the CPU. If it doesn't, it might be the CPU or the slot-kit or else something just isn't installed correctly.

 

[butch84]

If you have a socket 370 processor in a slotket converter, then you definately have a coppermine cpu (all socket 370 pIIIs are coppermine or better). In that case, your vcore should be around 1.6v or 1.65v or something like that.

If there is no adapter and the cpu is in a black plastic case, chances are you have a slot 1 cpu, which probably likes 2.0v

hope that helps

 

[lotust]

%^%&%* i flashed it to 1014TC.001 and killed the mobo i cant evan get to the BIOS screen to reflash it back to 1012


is the only way to do this to pull the BIOS chip and put it in a working PC and reflash it? please tell me there is another way.

 

[lotust]

anyone

 

[Eug]

If you have a socket 370 processor in a slotket converter, then you definately have a coppermine cpu (all socket 370 pIIIs are coppermine or better). In that case, your vcore should be around 1.6v or 1.65v or something like that.

If there is no adapter and the cpu is in a black plastic case, chances are you have a slot 1 cpu, which probably likes 2.0v

hope that helps

I stand corrected then - that makes sense, since all the Katmai AFAIK are Slot-1. I didn't know they made 500 MHz Coppermines. (Intel had announced it, but until now I have never heard of anyone having one.) Anyways, voltage for that is probably 1.65 V.

i flashed it to 1014TC.001 and killed the mobo

Sorry to hear that. I can't help you, but we did say that 1012 was fine (unless you wanted to run Tualatin).

 

[oldfart]

Sorry to hear your flash went bad. Try Badflash.com and see if they can help.

 

[lotust]

hehe Im so luckey the system guy here at work had extra/dead PB2 that i snatched the BIOS out of :heart:


im so freeking luckey. Now should i try and reflash this 1009 to 1012

 

[lotust]

Is there a way to hot flash a BIOS? what i mean is on a working mobo get the the BIOS flash screen and pull the working chip and put in the non working chip while the computer is powered and flash the non working chip? is this possable?

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: lotust
hehe Im so luckey the system guy here at work had extra/dead PB2 that i snatched the BIOS out of :heart:

im so freeking luckey. Now should i try and reflash this 1009 to 1012

Excellent!

Yes you do need 1012 to run a Coppermine slocket. I'd suggest getting a new Coppermine compatible slocket with voltage jumpers. And make sure your memory and AGP are set correctly. (And make sure your memory is 100 MHz-capable.)