Help. Real World Gaming - Overclock & Memory Timings

[Devlyn]

Is the difference going to be significant or even noticable btwn these three memory timings at PC3200? Looking at the Patriot ram the 2-2-2 runs $225 and the 2-3-2 can be had for $160, I'm not sure how much cheaper 2.5-3-3 would be, lets say $120. Between these three, what sort of benefits are we truly seeing in FPS in gaming, or is the only true difference in benchmarks?

 

[Duvie]

At same clock speed?? Maybe 3% or less in games....May see it in fps scoring but likely not feel it....

 

[Devlyn]

Originally posted by: Duvie
At same clock speed?? Maybe 3% or less in games....May see it in fps scoring but likely not feel it....

Well, I guess it wouldn't be at the same clock speed once overclocked, since its likely a divider would be needed for the 2.5-3-3 timings... so one would expect worse performance from this, still unnoticed?

With the 2-3-2 timing, it doesn't seem much different than the TCCD chips and I thought that they would clock well (I'm shooting for a 3000+ or 3200+ 754 to hit the 2.4-2.5ghz range). I'm primarily interested in gaming, and definately uninterested in benchmarking stats, also interested in real world performance outside of games... but its doubtful ram will be as noticable here.

What would be recommended for this situation? I always see people recommend the TCCD ram no matter the requirements... but is it really necessary for those overclocking to get the most out of their chip and to game?

 

[Stormgiant]

No, you don't.

Just put the htt around 250-260, set memory to 166 and you will be running the memory almost at default.
You won't see much diference in games. Nowadays, it's much more importante video card, then anything else.

 

[Duvie]

With memory dividers all of these chips can work in a system and still get you to 2.4 to 2.5ghz.... The better ram may allow you to get to those speeds yet still run 1:1...faster ddr speed plus likely better cas timings still for the expensive stuff the gap may grow, but I don't think much more then 5% in real world apps....

The 3200+


2.4ghz

10x240 = can be done with ram equaling 400ddr (stock) pc3200 with the 166divider or 480ddr with 1:1 this is very likely with the expensive ram. If you want more out of the 3200+ drop the divider to 9x mujlti of that of the 300+ and bump the fsb to 266....That still is very easy for 6:5 ratio with the expensive ram and maybe even the moderate ram. 1:1 maybe tougher....


I say if you get the expensive ram go for the 3000+...if you go the average ram or budget get the 3200+ chip...

 

[Devlyn]

Expensive RAM being only the 2-2-2 TCCD? Or would the 2-3-2 RAM timings be good enough to get comparable results? The $160ish isn't too high for me to think about paying for the Patriot 2-3-2, but for the Patriot TCCD chips at $225 it's pushing my budget a little too much Thanks for the help btw, it's been a helluva time trying to figure out a great system on a budget that isn't outstanding (I try to keep my hobbies within reason I guess) and the RAM is really the most difficult part to understand.

 

[Tiamat]

you wont see much difference. Only reason i would get 222 is to overclock it to a higher fsb thus, in most cases, requiring a more lax mem timing of 2-3-2, or 2.5-3-3 etc.

 

[beatle]

Can someone run a few benchmarks to see how much of a gain you see in the real world apps when you go from 200mhz ram to say, 250-260mhz? Timings be damned, the extra mhz must be worth something.

 

[drpootums]

i got the Patriot pc3200LL (2-3-2-5) and it's really good. For some reason it's at 2.5 since we tried it, but that may have just been a fluke (the settings were at Auto, so that could cause it i guess, because an error came up at Auto settings)

BTW, it looks really nice and is made in the USA!!! (big + right there!)

 

[Devlyn]

Originally posted by: drpootums
i got the Patriot pc3200LL (2-3-2-5) and it's really good. For some reason it's at 2.5 since we tried it, but that may have just been a fluke (the settings were at Auto, so that could cause it i guess, because an error came up at Auto settings)

BTW, it looks really nice and is made in the USA!!! (big + right there!)

Yea, many of them seem to auto detect at 2.5. Have you started overclocking it yet? Would love to hear about some results from these chips and how high an FSB they can hit at 1:1.

 

[superkdogg]

The difference between 2-3-2 and three dueces is practically non-existent. My opinion is that it's pretty likely you could run them dang near the same speeds all around but the cheaper stuff may need more voltage. The TCCD chips are nice, but if budget is a factor (it is for me, that's why I still have Corsair VS 3200 that does 2.5-3-3 @ 230) then it's probably not cost-effective to get the best stuff.