Help please on a Intel Pentium II Question.

[Bulk Beef]

If he balks at giving up the 20 bucks, show him this.

N8Magic, that overdrive thing doesn't count.

 

[Danman]

<< Did none of you read my post above? There was a socket PII. See above. >>



I don't understand, you just said that they were only made in Slot 1's.

 

[Danman]

<< If he balks at giving up the 20 bucks, show him this.

N8Magic, that overdrive thing doesn't count. >>



BOOYAH!!! I'M RIGHT!!

 

[ThisIsMatt]

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<< My Network Administrator got in a big argument about one of the labs that has some POS Compaq Presarios. These Presarios are the model number 5034S and he claims they have SOCKET 1 Pentium II chips in there. I remember upgrading memory and they were socket processor with NO slotket sticking out with a AMD k6-2 333MHZ processor. But NOOOOOOOOO, he think he is Mr. Smarty and knows everything. I swore that PII's weren't made at a speed of 300MHZ, correct me if I am wrong. Am I right guys? >>



PII's were made at 300Mhz. (3x100MHzFSB)

They were only made in slot form because of the 512k of cache that was located on the PCB inside the slot 1 cartridge. The processors were available at speeds of 233 MHz, 266 MHz, 300MHz, 333 MHz, 350 MHz, 400 MHz and 450MHz. The only PII available in socket form was the Pentium II Overdrive chip which was available at 333MHz and was used to upgrade Socket-8 Pentium Pro motherboards. >>

PII 300's weren't 100mhz bus IIRC, they were all 66mhz. 100mhz bus didn't come untill the 350mhz.

 

[N8Magic]

<< If he balks at giving up the 20 bucks, show him this.

N8Magic, that overdrive thing doesn't count. >>



Why not?

It's called a Pentium II, and the PII and PPro cores were virtually identical. Oh and the Overdrive chips were made at 300Mhz for upgrading 150 and 180MHz PPro's and 333 for upgrading 166 and 200MHz PPros.

 

[N8Magic]

<< PII 300's weren't 100mhz bus IIRC, they were all 66mhz. 100mhz bus didn't come untill the 350mhz. >>



Oops... my bad.

 

[Danman]

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<< If he balks at giving up the 20 bucks, show him this.

N8Magic, that overdrive thing doesn't count. >>



Why not?

It's called a Pentium II, and the PII and PPro cores were virtually identical. Oh and the Overdrive chips were made at 300Mhz for upgrading 150 and 180MHz PPro's and 333 for upgrading 166 and 200MHz PPros. >>



Well he thinks that it is a Pentium II 300MHZ Socket 1. On all of the other computers, teacher, library, labs, etc. there is ONLY PII's and PIII's, no Pro chips or anything like that. Btw, these computers I'm talking about are over 4 years old, if that matters.

 

[Bulk Beef]

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<< N8Magic, that overdrive thing doesn't count. >>



Why not? >>

Because it's not on Tom's chart, and if it doesn't count to Tom, it doesn't count.

 

[toant103]

i have a PII 300. IT's from Gateway.

 

[GiGoLo]

Pentium 1, Pentium 1 MMX - Socket 7 (super 7)

Pentium 2 - all Slot 1 (300mhz was 66x4.5, not 100x3)

Pentium 3 - slot 1 and fcpga

Overdrive chip = NOT a true Pentium II... completely different architecture

 

[vi edit]

<< << PII 300's weren't 100mhz bus IIRC, they were all 66mhz. 100mhz bus didn't come untill the 350mhz. >> >>



Some 333's were 100mhz.

 

[GiGoLo]

<< Some 333's were 100mhz. >>



how would that be possible?? 333/100 = 3.33 multiplier?? i don't think so

 

[vi edit]

Ok, maybe it was some of the 300's then. I just know that there was one of the P2's before the 350's that was 100mhz.

 

[vi edit]

Guess not...Intel product specs

 

[N8Magic]

<< Overdrive chip = NOT a true Pentium II... completely different architecture >>



WRONG.

The PII Overdrive has/was the exact same core as the Pentium II. In fact, you could say it was a souped up version of the P6 core, as it had 512K of full-speed on-die cache. The regular PII had the same amount of cache, but it only ran at half the speed of the processor.

The only difference other than the cache was the packaging. (Socket-8 vs. Slot-1)

 

[vi edit]

N8, I know that there was indeed an overdrive chip, but for all practical purposes, and in the intent of this thread, it really didn't matter.

For starters, the computer in question was a presario. Second, the overdrive chips were rare, VERY rare. And third, the overdrive chips were so horribly overpriced that the cost was inhibitive of actually going out and doing a *real* upgrade.

 

[N8Magic]

<< N8, I know that there was indeed an overdrive chip, but for all practical purposes, and in the intent of this thread, it really didn't matter.

For starters, the computer in question was a presario. Second, the overdrive chips were rare, VERY rare. And third, the overdrive chips were so horribly overpriced that the cost was inhibitive of actually going out and doing a *real* upgrade.

>>



I know you knew that, I was just letting GiGoLo know about that.

And yes they were very rare. Not to mention that PPro's were never available in Compaq Presarios, only the Deskpro series. (I owned one. )

 

[Colt45]

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<< Overdrive chip = NOT a true Pentium II... completely different architecture >>



WRONG.

The PII Overdrive has/was the exact same core as the Pentium II. In fact, you could say it was a souped up version of the P6 core, as it had 512K of full-speed on-die cache. The regular PII had the same amount of cache, but it only ran at half the speed of the processor.

The only difference other than the cache was the packaging. (Socket-8 vs. Slot-1) >>




wrong. the cache is not on die. does the cache look on die to you?

 

[GiGoLo]

<< <<Overdrive chip = NOT a true pentium II... completely different architecture >>



WRONG.

The PII Overdrive has/was the exact same core as the pentium II. In fact, you could say it was a souped up version of the P6 core, as it had 512K of full-speed on-die cache. The regular PII had the same amount of cache, but it only ran at half the speed of the processor.

The only difference other than the cache was the packaging. (Socket-8 vs. Slot-1)
>>



the reason(s) i said that was(were):
1. OEM's were not allowed to sell them as Pentium II Computers (i.e. Compaq cannot sell a P2-233mhz computer using an Overdrive chip.)
2. The processor itself was a Socket 8 to fit in older motherboards, and they rigged the die to control its own voltage and multiplier so the user wouldn't have to worry about jumpers, which is basically what i meant by "completely different architecture"

you are correct, though, in that the Pentium II and the Overdrive version had the same processing core, instruction sets, etc.

just wanted to clear that up