Help me setup my Media room - Budget 3000

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funboy6942

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OH for more consideration the overstock deal comes with the H100 sub, 150 watts rms and 500 watts peek, whereas the one from Amazon has the PL200 sub, 250 watts RMS and 1000 watts peek, which is what I use. May be worth the couple extra bucks to get the better sub.
 
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purbeast0

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i ended up with a fixed frame screen and had wanted one from the get-go because i think they actually look nice, and it's in a dedicated space so i don't have to worry about anything behind it.
 

DesiPower

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How are the Yamaha receivers? they tend to be cheaper for the same feature compared to Denon or Onkyo, any complaints?
 

DesiPower

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DesiPower

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Also a question about compatibility. Are all these parts from different manufacturer compatible? As of now I am leaning towards -
Pioneer Andrew Jones Floor front, center and bookshelf back speakers
Yamaha RX-V475 AVR
Klipsch RW-12d, total cost $1200
Are all these fully compatible?
 

hans030390

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So what is the difference between this and the Pioneer Andrew Jones Designed set? its about $450 cheaper. Is BIC PL89 really worth the extra $$$?

Hard to compare. The Pioneers are fantastic budget speakers that are worth much more than you pay, IMO. The BICs are higher priced gear. You will start seeing large diminishing returns after the Pioneers from a sound quality perspective (not volume), unless perhaps you have good/trained ears.

You might be able to find frequency response measurements of the speakers mentioned in this thread. I try to compare products objectively if possible before purchasing. This is especially true of more expensive gear. I can't speak for any BIC products, but it's not uncommon to have very expensive audio equipment have rave reviews but actually measure quite poorly from an objective standpoint (or just lack measurements entirely, so you only have often flawed subjective impressions to go by). With less expensive gear, it's less risky to purchase even if you're lacking objective measurements and data for its performance. That's my line of thinking, anyway.

Sometimes it's best to start small (rather, less $) and upgrade down the road if you deem it necessary. Why spend the extra $ if something cheaper will fit your needs or more?

Also a question about compatibility. Are all these parts from different manufacturer compatible? As of now I am leaning towards -
Pioneer Andrew Jones Floor front, center and bookshelf back speakers
Yamaha RX-V475 AVR
Klipsch RW-12d, total cost $1200
Are all these fully compatible?

Yup, should be. Run a subwoofer line out from the receiver to the sub (usually goes in the left input on the sub if it doesn't have a dedicated input). Wire up the rest of the speakers like you would with any other audio setup. Adjust settings and features to your preference. Done.

Also, I've heard good things about Yamaha receivers. My parents have one from an semi-old home-theater-in-a-box, and it does quite well. I've had other friends use them with good luck. I can't speak for any individual units, though.
 

funboy6942

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Well I can say is Ive owned everything from KLH and Jensen to Polk and Klipsch and everything in between, Im 42 so its not just a little speaker here or there Ive owned, Ive owned a ton in my years, and I can say, yet again, that hands down, and hands on experience, the BIC set I have bought, over 3 years ago, is by far the best sounding set I have yet to ever own. So much so I havent even though of upgrading them for I wouldnt even know where to begin to replace them, for there isnt anything I can think of in my price range that would sound as good, or better then these. You just have to hear them and then you will be amazed, like I was when I first fired them up, and continue to everyday.

Plus keep in mind these have a 8 YEAR warranty, and the BIC America company has been around forever so not fly by night, from the white van, junk here Im pointing you to. Nobody offers a 8 year warranty other then these guys, and if they were junk, you think they would offer that ;)

http://www.bicamerica.com/

If price is a problem you can always get the smaller set that will sound just as good for under $1200, with the same kick butt PL200 sub.

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Acoustech-...pd_sim_sbs_e_7
 
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purbeast0

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Sometimes it's best to start small (rather, less $) and upgrade down the road if you deem it necessary. Why spend the extra $ if something cheaper will fit your needs or more?

i agree and disagree with this statement. to me, sometimes it's better to start "small" in the sense that it would be better to spend your entire budget on front 3 speakers instead of all of the speakers at once, so that you could get something of better quality that you REALLY want. but the thing is, you wouldn't be spending less money in the long run, it would be more, but for better product.

also OP, asking for blind opinions on forums will only get you so far. different speakers sound different to different people. we all have different preferences.

this is a pretty big purchase $$ wise, $3k is no chump change. take your time and don't rush into it. go over on AVS and ask around who has the sets you are interested in purchasing. many people will let you go over to their house and listen to the speakers and demo them.

before i purchased my stuff i was 100% set on Klipsch or B&W speakers. i had demo'd paradigm, klipsh, b&w, polk, monitor audio, salk, goldean ear, and some others. i had heard the B&W speakers in a local store that had sold me, and i then found someone on avs that had the klipsch setup i was initially interested in. i went and demo'd them and the Klipsch definitely sounded a little too bright for my likings, if it was somethign i'd watch a 2 hour movie with. i mean they sounded great, don't get me wrong, but they weren't what i wanted to spend the cash on.

so after that i did even more research, since it had been like 2 weeks since i started my search. after weeks more i was lead to JTR speakers which i had never heard of. 100% of the people i talked to on avs said that the JTR speakers blew the klipsch and B&W out of the water. problem was, i couldn't find anyone local to listen to them. but even b&w and klipsch owners told me that the JTR speakers sounded better than the ones i was looking at. hell the guy who demo'd me his klipsch setup flat out told me if he could do it all again, he would have not gotten klipsch and gone with JTR instead. and this is a huge DIY guy so he knows a lot about the innards of speakers and how they work.

to make a somewhat long story shorter, i ended up blind purchasing my LCR blindly after hearing JTR subs (which i purchased as well) since i saw the quality of the sub, and matched with the praise these speakers got, i just did it. needless to say i don't think i could be happier now. and since then i have purchased 2 rear JTR speakers as well to complete my setup. so i now have 7 JTR speakers for my 5.2 setup.

moral of the story - research and demo (if possible) because everyones tastes and needs are different. don't just jump into something for $3k because there are a couple people on the forum telling you to get them. i'm not saying they are bad speakers or anything, just that if it were me i'd do as much research as possible before spending $3k on stuff.
 

DesiPower

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yeah, AVS, that's one big waste of time. Every single dickward there has a full blown HT system stuck up their ass, permanently, what a bunch of snobs. Every serious discussion going on there is way out of my budget. Every time someone asks about cheaper or smaller speakers, people will blow them off and never provide specifics and anyone who provides specifics will always link something that costs more than $1000 a piece, or will ask you to DYI. There is a dedicated forum for HTIB and even in that people will constantly threadcrap.
If I ask them to recommend me a HT system for less then 1500, I will be called names. I have already wasted a lot of time there and eventually decided not to ask question there.
I am not that heavily into this whole sound/audio thing. I am not a enthusiast and this set up is more of a novelty for me. There is no chance of me picking this up as a hobby and I probably will never upgrade. My budget is no more than $1500 including receiver and my benchmark is a HTIB. I believe anything like a BIC Acoustech PL-89II or Pioneer Andrew Jones is more than enough for me. Also I am not interested in anything that I cannot buy from Amazon, BB or Newegg. I am still looking and researching other brands but keeping the budget 1500 including receiver.
 

purbeast0

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yeah, AVS, that's one big waste of time. Every single dickward there has a full blown HT system stuck up their ass, permanently, what a bunch of snobs. Every serious discussion going on there is way out of my budget. Every time someone asks about cheaper or smaller speakers, people will blow them off and never provide specifics and anyone who provides specifics will always link something that costs more than $1000 a piece, or will ask you to DYI. There is a dedicated forum for HTIB and even in that people will constantly threadcrap.
If I ask them to recommend me a HT system for less then 1500, I will be called names. I have already wasted a lot of time there and eventually decided not to ask question there.
I am not that heavily into this whole sound/audio thing. I am not a enthusiast and this set up is more of a novelty for me. There is no chance of me picking this up as a hobby and I probably will never upgrade. My budget is no more than $1500 including receiver and my benchmark is a HTIB. I believe anything like a BIC Acoustech PL-89II or Pioneer Andrew Jones is more than enough for me. Also I am not interested in anything that I cannot buy from Amazon, BB or Newegg. I am still looking and researching other brands but keeping the budget 1500 including receiver.

I've never once seen this behavior over there. People are always willing to help and are very knowledgable as long as you give them your budget.
 

jdoggg12

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I've never once seen this behavior over there. People are always willing to help and are very knowledgable as long as you give them your budget.

This has been my experience as well. There's always the douche crowd on every forum, so keep that in mind. I bought all of my HT stuff based on feedback from AVS.

My current setup (HTPC/Home server):

PC:
i7 4770k
8GB Corsair vengence RAM
MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming
Samsung 256GB 840pro SSD
2x Seagate 3 TB Black HDD
MSI GTX 760 OC
Asus Blu-Ray player
500w Antec in a 1st gen cooler master stacker

Audio/Video:
Receiver: Denon 1612
Fronts: Klipsch RF-3 II (kept since college, 10 years ago)
Center: RC-52 II (recently added to match RF-3's)
Rear: Definitive BP2002 towers (hand-me-downs from my dad, yes they're not a great match for the klipsch, they overpower them sometimes, but they have powered 12"s in each, till I get the sub I want
Projector: BenQ W070 (best bang for the buck PJ on the market, IMO)
Screen: 110" DIY wood frame with black out cloth. (tried spandex but the pic quality wasn't good enough to make the acoustic transparency)

Even though my setup is a bit of a mutt, it sounds/plays/performs better than many systems I've experienced that cost 30% more. I spent 1200 on the pc, 300 on receiver, 300 on the center speaker, 800 on the front mains, $150 on screen/stand, 900 on the PJ and about $150 for the wires, connectors and such. $3800 over the course of a couple years to get to this point. (especially not bad when you consider one could sub the $1200 pc for a $200 ps3/blu-ray)

My biggest piece of advice is research every item you buy. Speakers as a set... receiver... screen/pj/tv... optimal seating/layout... keep the "measure twice, cut once" mentality. AVS forum is an invaluable resource for opinions, reviews, and support. IMO it's the go-to place to learn about audio/visual gear that falls out of the realm of best-buy level equipment. You don't need to spend a ton of money... but with a bit of research, a willingness to get your hands dirty, and a REALISTIC set of expectations... you can really stretch your dollar.
 

jdoggg12

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did you make a thread asking for advice or are you just going off what you read in a bunch of random posts?

Both. I'd search the general stuff to see what kind of opinions existed about the products I was researching (ie a receiver) and narrow down my choices to a couple that I felt were best reviewed/praised by the community. I then look into the details/features of my narrowed list to be knowledgeable about them from a "big picture" perspective. From there, I post questions about which one would likely fit my particular needs the best.

If you just start asking questions, chances are you'll ask the wrong questions. For example, asking, "What's the best projector under $xxxx?" when you should be qualifying the scope of your situation in the Q you're asking, "The BenQ W1070 and Panasonic PT-AR100U seem to be great entry-level projectors. I'd like to project onto 100" screen. Which would likely be the better choice for FPS gaming in a 15'Lx14'Wx9'H room with poor light control" Here, the census would probably be that the BenQ is the overall better picture quality winner, but for the dimensions of this room, the Panny might be the only option due to throw ratio demands to reach the desired picture size.

All of this research can be done with a little Google-Fu. Using it intelligently, I search until I find the types of forums that will yield the best answers (Anand for PC stuff, AVS for home theater, etc) then use google search within that site "site:www.avsforum.com projector under $xxxx".

Because I do this, I rarely get a product that I'm not very satisfied with. It takes a lot of time, but it undoubtedly saves money and maximizes the value of the items I purchase per dollar I spend.
 

Anubis

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tbqhwy.com
that question was directed at the OP because my experience with AVS as I'm an avid poster does not reflect his post about it. Hell ive met nearly 100 people from the community in real life and they are all extremely chill. some have way to much money but none of them are dickwads
 

jdoggg12

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Well fine, be that way! :p

At any rate, I hope my response to you helps OP understand a useful, methodical approach to learning about his gear :)
 

DesiPower

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Looking at Onkyo HT-S5600, has overall good reviews, its a fairly new system so couldn't find anything on AVSForum. I know speakers are smaller than Andrew Jones or BIC Acoustech PL-89II and the sound quality will not be comparable, but still for $580 it looks like a bargain. There is another Onkyo HT-S9400THX for $900.

Both are 7.1 and since my media room is pre-wired for 7.1 I though why not go all the way! Any thoughts? Does anyone own one of these or have heard one of these anywhere?
 

purbeast0

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i would definitely NOT go with a HTIB but that is just me. no matter what my budget is i just wouldn't do that.
 

gar655

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Looking at Onkyo HT-S5600, has overall good reviews, its a fairly new system so couldn't find anything on AVSForum. I know speakers are smaller than Andrew Jones or BIC Acoustech PL-89II and the sound quality will not be comparable, but still for $580 it looks like a bargain. There is another Onkyo HT-S9400THX for $900.

Both are 7.1 and since my media room is pre-wired for 7.1 I though why not go all the way! Any thoughts? Does anyone own one of these or have heard one of these anywhere?

In the end it's YOUR money. But......

The Pioneer bookshelfs are $90 a pair and the center $70 at Amazon. Even for 7 channels it's only $340 for speakers. Get a better AVR like a Denon 1613 for about $300 (probably less at Newegg). So that's $640 leaves you with $360 from your original $1000 budget for a sub.

This one has gotten some rave reviews from users and sound and vision magazine.
http://www.amazon.com/NXG-Technology...=nxg+subwoofer

And you're a $100 under budget with a system much, much better than any HTIB.

And this is the type of advice you get at AVS forums. I know, I post there.