Help me setup my Media room - Budget 3000

DesiPower

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Room Size - 18 x 13 pre-wired for 5.1 and projector

Planning to spend no more than 1000 on sound system and 2000 on TV/Projector/screen

Open to buying speakers and receiver separately, budget 1k, already have 3D blu-ray player

Debating Projector or TV, for a 1080p 60" TV under 2k, there are a lot of choices, projector not so much, from browsing bestbuy.com I found only 3, but the advantage will be size, I can go bigger than 60.
How is the budget of 1000 for the sound system? can I take some money out of it and put towards projector?
 

purbeast0

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how much bigger than 60" can you go? like what is the max size you can go?

i have a 60" tv in my living room and a 120" screen/projector in my HT, so that is a pretty significant difference. but if you could only get to like 80" i don't know if a projector would really be worth it.

also, the lighting in the room could be a factor. if there is a lot of light in the room during the day time and you watch tv during the day time, then a projector also may not be the best idea.
 

DesiPower

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how much bigger than 60" can you go? like what is the max size you can go?

i have a 60" tv in my living room and a 120" screen/projector in my HT, so that is a pretty significant difference. but if you could only get to like 80" i don't know if a projector would really be worth it.

also, the lighting in the room could be a factor. if there is a lot of light in the room during the day time and you watch tv during the day time, then a projector also may not be the best idea.

Room width is 13' the width of a 120" screen would be like 8.5'? I think that would be doable but maybe not desirable... I was thinking 80-90", saw some 84" screens on bestbuy that that my intention.
As its a dedicated media room, there are no windows, one door that is light and sound proof. Room has fancy dim-able wall illuminations.. so light is not a problem.
 

DesiPower

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no i mean buying all the parts cutting some wood and assembling stuff yourself

No that would be too much for me... I have read that one can buy receiver and speakers separately and that provides better quality sound, that is that max i am willing to do...
 

Anubis

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your budget is pretty tight if you are only leaving 1000 for speakers and a AVR

pretty much pick any AVR in the 2-400$ range from a major brand (Denon, onkyo, pioneer) if you dont mind a refurb Accessories4less often has really good deals

that only really leaves you 600$ for speakers, for 5 at that price id recommend the pioneers

2 of these
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...4417872&sr=8-4

one of these
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...4417872&sr=8-4

2 of these
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...4417872&sr=8-4

puts you pretty close to 500.

doesn't have a sub, the Klipsch RW-12d is pretty much always on sale for 299 on newegg. and it is considered one of the best budget subs out there. if thats too much there are cheaper options from BIC Energy and Polk
 

richardycc

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you should take some of the money out of video portion and put more toward the speakers. a nice projector can be had around $1k, screen around $300.
 

DesiPower

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your budget is pretty tight if you are only leaving 1000 for speakers and a AVR

pretty much pick any AVR in the 2-400$ range from a major brand (Denon, onkyo, pioneer) if you dont mind a refurb Accessories4less often has really good deals

that only really leaves you 600$ for speakers, for 5 at that price id recommend the pioneers

2 of these
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...4417872&sr=8-4

one of these
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...4417872&sr=8-4

2 of these
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS5...4417872&sr=8-4

puts you pretty close to 500.

doesn't have a sub, the Klipsch RW-12d is pretty much always on sale for 299 on newegg. and it is considered one of the best budget subs out there. if thats too much there are cheaper options from BIC Energy and Polk

I have very little to no knowledge about audio system, looking at BB it looked like I can get "Home Theater in a Box" type system for 1000, they had lot of choices, that's why I said 1000, but I can raise that.

So going by your recommendation, its 500 for the speakers, 400 for AVR and 300 for sub woofer, that's 1200, that definitely doable. If I raised the budget a bit more, what are the better options?
Also, as you mentioned, Amazon has Pioneer AVR's from 200 - 900, what is the difference? What would be ideal for a 5.1 you listed earlier?
 

Anubis

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more features, brighter, different backend tech for making the display slightly higher contrast brand name... a bunch of stuff you prob wont even notice. seeing as you have a light controlled room i doubt you would notice much of a PQ difference. like the difference between a 1k and 3k LCD or Plasma, the difference is pretty small but its there.

as for your speaker question the main differences in AVRs that go up in price is the power they can deliver, the number of channels they can use and the features they have

if this is your first setup you dont have to go all out. the 400$ denon 1713 is a popular option. powers 5.1 will decode everything has enough inputs and such, it also has some decent room correction Audyssey MultEQ XT which helps with speaker setup and getting things balanced out, the 1613 would also prob be fine and save 100$

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1713.../dp/B007R8U5W6

the pioneer VSX-823-K is their model similar to the denon
 

DesiPower

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Thanks a lot this is good progress, it seems, for what's useful to me, 1613 is lacking multi zone feature and has 5 less watts, both I guess are ignorable for me.

For the earlier Pioneer speaker link, it seems you are suggesting buying couple of floor standing speakers for the front, are there any other smaller wall hanging options?
 
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hans030390

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I can definitely vouch for the Pioneer bookshelf speakers, as I have a pair. They sound quite good, even compared to the DIY Dayton BR-1 kit from Parts Express. That kit is around $150-160, and the Dayton speakers would easily cost and compete with $300-400 retail speakers. The Daytons have a darker sound than the Pioneers do, but I was honestly very impressed with the Pioneers! I'm not sure if you can still find them, but the first version of the Andrew Jones designed speakers (the ones I have) used to be on sale for $50 a pair. To me, that was one of the best values in bookshelf speakers around. It follows that the floor standing and center speaker versions also sound good. I've heard the latest revisions are even better, but you won't find them as cheap. :) They're still a great deal either way.

Personally, I'd recommend two floorstandings for front left and right, a center speaker, and two bookshelf speakers in the back. Substitute out the floor standing speakers with bookshelf speakers if you need to. If the bookshelf speakers are too large to mount to a wall, get stands for them.

I've also heard good things about the Pioneer sub. You can also find decent budget subs on Parts Express. I got a 12" HT sub for $110. It doesn't have the tightest, clearest sound, but it's good for a budget sub.

If you're looking for smaller speakers that are guaranteed to be able to hang on the wall, you should be aware that there's a good chance you're going to have to spend a lot more for the same sound quality as larger speakers. Not always, though, but even sometimes it's just hard for speakers that size to match the quality of larger ones.

Most home theaters in-a-box tend to come with wimpy speakers. Can't say I'd recommend that if you have the space for better speakers.

For the receiver, I actually got a 6.1 Insignia receiver off Craigslist a few years ago for $60. This was before HDMI, but most devices I've seen still offer SPDIF for surround sound audio. It turns out it actually has some high quality components in it, and I've always thought it sounded pretty nice and didn't have any background noise or hiss when nothing was playing. My point behind all this is that you can get some really nice surround sound receivers for cheap...certainly less than $300. Maybe even $200 or less. I've found that when the cost goes up on a receiver, it's usually because A) it has more bells and whistles or B) because of the brand name. Usually extra money doesn't translate into noticeable audio gains and is more around additional features. But if you need those features...go for it.

As for the TV or whatever else, I just got a Panasonic TC-50PS64 from Costco for around $680 after tax. They have a 65" model for $1300. I would recommend plasma over anything else, really, as I think it offers the best picture quality for the price. If you game, though, be careful. A lot of the newer plasma TVs (from any company) have strangely high input lag. I found the Panasonic S60 (or S64) TVs don't have nearly as high input lag. I believe the ST60 TVs have problems with input lag. The nice thing about the S64 plasma TVs is that they use the S60 panels with the anti-glare/infinite black feature from the more expensive ST60 TVs.

I'm personally not a fan of projectors. It's harder to get the picture right (takes more than just a dim room), and bulb replacements can be costly and annoying.

In summary:
- Pioneer has really sweet budget speakers and subs out that are very well received. That would be my first pick. You'd have to spend a LOT extra to get something noticeably better.
- Parts Express also has good deals on budget subs and, sometimes, speakers (more DIY, though, when it comes to speakers).
- Looks for used and/or budget-oriented stereo receivers. As long as it has the features you want, there's a very good chance the receiver will sound and power your speakers just fine.
- I'd go with a plasma TV. Just do research on input lag and specific models if you plan on gaming on it.

I would focus more of your money on the display than the audio. Even then, you will probably start seeing large diminishing returns for your entire HT past the $1800-2000 mark or so.
 
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Sidekicknichola

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Keep on eye on craigslist too...

I just sold my Optoma HD20 (1080p projector), 100 ft of hdmi, ceiling mount, 110" screen for $700... everything was in perfect shape and I had about 2200 hours on the bulb.
 

funboy6942

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Get these speakers:

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Acoustech-...s=bic+speakers

with this HT Radio:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Onkyo-TX-NR...10793?pt=Receivers_Tuners&hash=item3383c754e9

For its what I have and I never for a second regret buying it all. It will blow your mind how loud you can push it all and it will make your ears bleed and still sound great.

Get this projector for its bright, has a kick ass picture, bulbs last 4000 hours and are cheap to replace.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&sku=V11H373120-N

Review of said projector:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-8350/

Here is an electric 119" screen:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...850&CatId=2433

And here is a manual screen just encase youre not lazy:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...562&CatId=2433

I done saved you a ton to put towards the sound for its as important, or more important then the picture, but with what I linked you, you can have your cake and eat it too.
 
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gar655

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Spend at least half your speaker budget on the sub. It's the most important part of getting that home theater experience.

Look for one of last year's or maybe even a 2 yo Epson projector.

Just about any decent AVR will do for now.

You don't say how big the room is other that 13' wide. If it's not that big you can get away with smaller speakers depending on your expectations.
 

DesiPower

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Thanks funboy6942, that a lot of really helpful information. btw, high ear bleed volume is not important for me, my requirement is great quality and effect at medium volume.

gar655, as mentioned in OP, room is 18' x 13', can you give example of smaller speakers?
 

funboy6942

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Oh it will do it all, but if you ever feel the need to bleed it will do that as well. TRUST ME, the sub is tight, the highs are bright, and the mids are not muddy. Everyone who has heard it is jealous and then when I tell them what I paid for the entire set they are really envy. Music and movies never sounded so good, and when you think you have pushed them to the limit they beg for more. I can max out the receiver I linked you to, for I own it, and there is NO distortion, and bass can be heard 4 doors down from me. It fills my room which is 18'x35' with ease. Of course it can all be controlled and dont have to play it like me ;) I just cannot say enough good things about the matching set of speakers, if you read the reviews on them its all true. They also come with a 8 year warranty, best one in the business.
 
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Kaido

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Here is an electric 119" screen:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...850&CatId=2433

And here is a manual screen just encase youre not lazy:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...562&CatId=2433

I have an electric screen, and while I don't regret it, I do wish I had gone with a manual screen. It's cool when you're showing it off, but the rest of the time you just have to sit there and wait for it to come down. My buddy setup a manual screen in his living room in front of the storage closets - he just yanks it down and boom, it's movie time. No waiting, as trivial as a minute of roll-down time may be. I also like that he has a hook on the bottom of his, so it kind of straightens out the screen - my electric one has a weighted bar and can get ripples in it.