Help me OC the AMD x4 620 & Gigabyte 785GM

LOUISSSSS

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Looking for some help on my first AMD OC

What do i do with the HT ____ settings: 8/16 bit? When i set to 2ghz, my CPU-Z tells me something different

my stock is 200x13 = 2.6 ghz @ 1.45v RAM is DDR2 800

Update: Currently i am stress testing at 240x13 = 3.120ghz, x3.33 RAM multiplier = 800mhz

if i can go to 275 mhz FSB, what should my RAM multi be without going above 800mhz?
 

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Looking for some help on my first AMD OC

What do i do with the HT ____ settings: 8/16 bit? When i set to 2ghz, my CPU-Z tells me something different

my stock is 200x13 = 2.6 ghz @ 1.45v RAM is DDR2 800

Update: Currently i am stress testing at 240x13 = 3.120ghz, x3.33 RAM multiplier = 800mhz

if i can go to 275 mhz FSB, what should my RAM multi be without going above 800mhz?

lower the HT multiplier to get the link as close to 2000MHz as possible. since 200 at 10x gives 2000MHz, at 240 you'd need to set it to 8x, and at 275 7x. leave the other ht settings on auto. as for the ram multi, to figure this out, multiply the FSB by the ram multiplier. So 240 * 3.33 = 799.2 ~ 800. So, 275 * 2.66 = 731.5 or 275 * 3.33 = 915.8.

Maybe consider lowering your CPU multiplier to kick up the FSB if you want to hit 3.5GHz. If you kick the system clock up to 300MHz, lower the CPU multi to 11.5, that's 3.45GHz. Then set your ram multiplier to 266, you'd get DDR2 800. Also set your HT multi to 6 or 7.
 
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I have the same board+cpu combo, the easiest oc for this board is the FSB=250, set the ram divider to 3.33 or so (gets ram to about 832, if unstable use 2.66 divider). Use a lower HT link i.e. under 2000 to compensate for the higher than default fsb, like say 1200 HT etc.

At 275FSB drop the ram divider to 2.66 or DDR731 to keep under 800.
 

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oh okay and on the same subject as HT, whats the right setting 8 bit or 16bit and whats the diff?
 

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Where can you usually find the RAM multiplier? Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything in my BIOS (ECS A780GM-A Ultra) or AMD Overdrive...
 
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Where can you usually find the RAM multiplier? Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything in my BIOS (ECS A780GM-A Ultra) or AMD Overdrive...

idk...you kinda just gotta know about this stuff to find it. There should be some setting somewhere that changes DDR2-800 to DDR2-666 or something. And changing the FSB will change those numbers-- 800 might become 820, 666 might become 688, etc.
If I had your board I could fiddle with the BIOS for 45 seconds and tell you if you could do it or not. But it's hard not having it.
 
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3.5ghz and I'd be happy (that's the speed I set before I got my 720 and I reached it and not an inch more, and I'm happy).
3.8g would be ideal but that's more the C3 chips that get that.
 

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3.5ghz and I'd be happy (that's the speed I set before I got my 720 and I reached it and not an inch more, and I'm happy).
3.8g would be ideal but that's more the C3 chips that get that.
That seems reasonable. Looking at reviews for 550BEs and 955BEs, not many seem to make it to 4GHz. Even 3.8GHz is kinda pushing it.

My unlocked 550BE was unstable at 3.7GHz, though I was able to boot into windows. But just getting that far took 1.525Vcore.
 

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Where can you usually find the RAM multiplier? Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything in my BIOS (ECS A780GM-A Ultra) or AMD Overdrive...

On my MSI 785GM - E65 mobo it's in the RAM settings and is expressed as a ratio:

1:1, 1:2, 1:3 etc.


Unless I totally misunderstand what I'm looking at.
 

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3.5ghz and I'd be happy (that's the speed I set before I got my 720 and I reached it and not an inch more, and I'm happy).
3.8g would be ideal but that's more the C3 chips that get that.

I have the 620 as well and I thought I had read that 3.25ghz was the sweet spot. I'd be thrilled with 3.5ghz (I haven't completed my OC yet - mobo is being RMA'd). Are we talking on air with stock heatsink?
 
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I have the 620 as well and I thought I had read that 3.25ghz was the sweet spot. I'd be thrilled with 3.5ghz (I haven't completed my OC yet - mobo is being RMA'd). Are we talking on air with stock heatsink?

sorry, no, not with stock heatsink I forgot about that! I've had mine for so long...bought it way back with my LGA775 mobo. Bought a bracket for AM2+, which works for AM3. Here's to hoping they keep AM3 for bulldozer and I'll be able to use it again!

With cooling I think 3.5 would be easily obtainable. With the stock heatsink, might be more limited. From an engineering standpoint there's no reason the chip shouldn't be able to hit 3.5Ghz...AMD's process capability is there.
 

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oh okay and on the same subject as HT, whats the right setting 8 bit or 16bit and whats the diff?
I'm not entirely sure what that is, but I imagine it's something like PCI-e x8 versus x16. The bus runs at a certain speed, but x8 and x16 just dictates how wide the bus is. I left that setting on auto.

sorry, no, not with stock heatsink I forgot about that! I've had mine for so long...bought it way back with my LGA775 mobo. Bought a bracket for AM2+, which works for AM3. Here's to hoping they keep AM3 for bulldozer and I'll be able to use it again!

With cooling I think 3.5 would be easily obtainable. With the stock heatsink, might be more limited. From an engineering standpoint there's no reason the chip shouldn't be able to hit 3.5Ghz...AMD's process capability is there.
What voltage would you expect for 3.5GHz? I was able to hit 3.6GHz "stable" with 1.475V. I didn't actually test that for very long so it may or may not be fully stable.

And since we're on the topic of OCing AMD cpus, is there much to gain in OCing the cpu-nb if you're using DDR2? I've noticed many of the reviews/guides I've looked at used AMD cpu + DDR3 1333/1600.

Also, what voltage did you have to set for 2.6GHz cpu-nb? I was able to get 2.4GHz using 1.25V (from 1.15V default).
 
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oh okay and on the same subject as HT, whats the right setting 8 bit or 16bit and whats the diff?
I'm not entirely sure what that is, but I imagine it's something like PCI-e x8 versus x16. The bus runs at a certain speed, but x8 and x16 just dictates how wide the bus is. I left that setting on auto.


What voltage would you expect for 3.5GHz? I was able to hit 3.6GHz "stable" with 1.475V. I didn't actually test that for very long so it may or may not be fully stable.

And since we're on the topic of OCing AMD cpus, is there much to gain in OCing the cpu-nb if you're using DDR2? I've noticed many of the reviews/guides I've looked at used AMD cpu + DDR3 1333/1600.

Also, what voltage did you have to set for 2.6GHz cpu-nb? I was able to get 2.4GHz using 1.25V (from 1.15V default).

how did you find out what the stock voltage was for your CPU-NB?

You will definitely gain performance from the CPU-NB while using DDR2.
The L3 cache is separate from the memory-- the type of memory has no impact on it.
I had to give mine +0.2v to get it to 2.6ghz. I'm not sure what stock for it was. 1.1? 1.2? Either way the voltage with +0.2v was, at worst case only 1.4v, and I'm comfortable with that. Further, with the program "PhenomMSRTweaker" I can control both voltages-- CPU core voltage, and the CPU-NB/L3cache voltage. I have 2 settings, one "full speed" (3.5ghz) and the other my cores at 2.2ghz, CPU-NB still at 2.6ghz [can't control the frequency of it with this program], but I am able to decrease the voltage back down 0.0625v to 1.3375v. Note that with this program, the voltages are in reference to the voltages in the BIOS-- so the program starts at 1.2v for the CPU-NB, but that's actually 1.4v because I've got it set to +0.2v in the BIOS. You can do the Cores frequency overclocking with this program, however, and the voltage adjustment of the cores as well-- so when you give it 1.45v in the program, you'll get 1.45v to the CPU cores.

I don't have enough experience to say what voltage would be required for 3.5ghz, best thing is to just fire up prime95 and start stressing while watching your temps. Increase the voltage-- 1.45v is the max AMD recommends, but with good cooling a little more than that is ok-- and see what it does to the temperature. I found no amount of voltage past 1.45v matters if my temps go above ~63C-- but 1.45v works and I can let the CPU go to 68-69C without getting prime errors. This is something a lot of other reviewers/overclockers found as well-- the chips really prefer low temps [I would append "above 1.45vcore" to that, personally-- as I seem to be fine with 1.45v even at 69C].

If I could tell you all the answers for your chip I don't know that I would, overclocking and getting a "better than average" chip is so much fun in the first place, I wouldn't want to ruin it.
 

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how did you find out what the stock voltage was for your CPU-NB?
So far, I love the "M.I.T." sub-menu and BIOS profiles. However, I hate how the "dual BIOS" feature hasn't been doing me any good. All except one time, I've been having to reset BIOS manually after trying some non-POST-able settings.

Anyways, under the "M.I.T." sub-menu, I don't normally see the CPU-NB voltage. Once I bump up the CPU-NB voltage, I get the resulting voltage popping up next to the increment value. Something like this: CPU-NB VID +0.025V 1.175V

You will definitely gain performance from the CPU-NB while using DDR2.
The L3 cache is separate from the memory-- the type of memory has no impact on it.
Geez, I knew that.... I've been doing quite some reading on this, but I still had the idea that it has something to do with memory.

If I could tell you all the answers for your chip I don't know that I would, overclocking and getting a "better than average" chip is so much fun in the first place, I wouldn't want to ruin it.
It's ok! I already got two free cores. That's good enough for me.
 

InfoTiger

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Yes, indeed.
I'm happy with my less than 1 day old x4 BE55 @3.6 GHz without bump up Vcore.
 

hans030390

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I've hit a wall with my Athlon II 240. It shouldn't be temperature related (though any software I try can't read my CPU temp...when it did work, it was usually low). I've lowered my memory speed, lowered the HT multiplier, and increased the CPU voltage.

Where should I go from here? Should I increase the voltage on the NB and NB core? Anything else?
 

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I have an Athlon II X4 620 too, only I have an Asus M4A77TD Pro. Any hints for overclocking?

My memory is Team Xtreme DDR3-2000 low voltage memory. Not a brand name I'd heard of before, but it looks like quality stuff. I set it to 1600MHz (might be the board's limit?), but the timings went to 11-11-11-27 or something. That was the motherboard's auto adjust though, I didnt manually set them. Is it worth trying for 1600Mhz and 9-9-9-24 timings? The memory is rated for 9-9-9-24, I hope they mean at 2000MHz, I dont actually know.

I dont see a memory divider setting, but I can set the memory clock to several predefined settings, such as 800Mhz, 1066MHz, 1333MHz and 1600MHz.

My HSF is an Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro v2. Idle temps sit at about 35 - 45 degrees C depending on ambient temperature (is that high?). What should I aim for if I want a stable overclock with no voltage increase?

Also, it has an option listed under Advanced Clock Calibration called Unleash CPU, and warns me this could be unstable. I'm guessing this would unlock cores on a triple core or extra cash if you are lucky enough to have a Phenom downgraded to an Athlon. Could anything permanently bad happen if I tried it out?

EDIT: This is the RAM I have. I see its 1600Mhz 7-7-7-21.
 
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InfoTiger

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Also, it has an option listed under Advanced Clock Calibration called Unleash CPU, and warns me this could be unstable. I'm guessing this would unlock cores on a triple core or extra cash if you are lucky enough to have a Phenom downgraded to an Athlon. Could anything permanently bad happen if I tried it out?

EDIT: This is the RAM I have. I see its 1600Mhz 7-7-7-21.

Yes, yes, yes. Try it.