Wow, this thread kind of exploded while I finished my shift. Thanks for all the feedback!
What I meant is that yes, I'm willing to throw bang for the buck out of the window for performance. The thing is, the price gap between the 580 and the 6970 is so massive that I don't know what to do. In some games, the 6970 is right up there trading blows with the 580, whereas in others it's trailing behind the 570 and this bothers me greatly. I really appreciate the consistent performance of the 580, but the 6970's rollercoaster performance leads me to think that it's something that could drastically be improved with drivers.
Then again, it could not and I would be wasting my time.
I didn't mention anything about dual GPUs, it was my bad and sorry for overlooking that. After having tried both SLI and more recently, Crossfire, I've pretty much decided to avoid multiple-GPU setups. Micro-stuttering is the bane of my existence and I just cannot stand it. I would much rather play a game in a single GPU card at 45 FPS than play with a Crossfire or SLI setup at 60 but with micro stuttering.
This is the way I'm leaning right now. However, as much as I like to have the absolute best, there's always the very real possibility of more mature AMD drivers and I'd feel like an idiot for having spent $150 or so more than a 6970. D:
This is a very good point, and I've been considering it. The thing is, my previous experiences with multiple GPU setups have all been sour: yeah, FPS is great, but as soon as microstuttering kicks in I feel a single GPU solution with slightly lower FPS would be more enjoyable.
With that said, I've heard that AMD has vastly improved their Crossfire scaling with the 6000 series. I'm still worried about microstuttering ruining my experience though.
The really interesting thing is that I tend to favor AMD over NVIDIA when it comes to my video card purchases because all of my NVIDIA card purchases have been disasters (card arriving dead, driver conflicts with the games I currently want to play). To be fair, I don't really blame NVIDIA for this; it was probably bad luck on my part on the card that arrived dead, and me wanting to play Fallout 3 with the 190 drivers.
I've taken notice, but 2 things: 1) the relative performance also applies to minimum FPS, so even if 28% is not by any means an earth-shattering difference, the increase in minimum FPS might make particularly intensive segments in some games much more tolerable, and 2) Microstuttering.
You always seem to be the voice of reason in these forums when it comes to video cards. I appreciate that!
This card looks very nice, and more and more people keep recommending Crossifre or SLI setups. From a performance/price point of view, it seems like a pair of 6950s or 570s would be a very wise investment right now over a single 580 or 6970.
Still, the idea that microstuttering might creep in keeps bothering me.
You say that money is not an issue, are you saying that you don't mind throwing bang for the buck out of the window, or you still want bang for the buck but don't mind spending the money for either card?
If money is truly not an issue, then I would go with the GTX580, there is no reason not to. The extra video ram won't likely make that big of a deal.
If you don't want to spend the extra money just to spend it, then the 6970 will likely give you plenty of performance at 1080P and save you some money.
What I meant is that yes, I'm willing to throw bang for the buck out of the window for performance. The thing is, the price gap between the 580 and the 6970 is so massive that I don't know what to do. In some games, the 6970 is right up there trading blows with the 580, whereas in others it's trailing behind the 570 and this bothers me greatly. I really appreciate the consistent performance of the 580, but the 6970's rollercoaster performance leads me to think that it's something that could drastically be improved with drivers.
Then again, it could not and I would be wasting my time.
Just another thought. I didn't see you mention anything about running multiple cards one way or another. Seeing as you already have a 5870, what might be your best option is to grab a second one. You'll spend the least amount as well as have a faster setup then either the 6970 or GTX580. Two 6950's would be incredible performance as well if you wanted to go 69xx.
I didn't mention anything about dual GPUs, it was my bad and sorry for overlooking that. After having tried both SLI and more recently, Crossfire, I've pretty much decided to avoid multiple-GPU setups. Micro-stuttering is the bane of my existence and I just cannot stand it. I would much rather play a game in a single GPU card at 45 FPS than play with a Crossfire or SLI setup at 60 but with micro stuttering.
If MONEY is no object, then theres only 1 choice the gtx580.
Thats easy.
This is the way I'm leaning right now. However, as much as I like to have the absolute best, there's always the very real possibility of more mature AMD drivers and I'd feel like an idiot for having spent $150 or so more than a 6970. D:
I would spend $70 more and get two 6950s instead of a 580. The two 6950s are about 170% faster than a single 580 and will allow you to max everything with AA at your resolution.
The 580 will not, it's an awkward card if you are looking for a rig that can max everything, two of them is too much for anything but 2560x1600 and one is not enough below that resolution.
This is a very good point, and I've been considering it. The thing is, my previous experiences with multiple GPU setups have all been sour: yeah, FPS is great, but as soon as microstuttering kicks in I feel a single GPU solution with slightly lower FPS would be more enjoyable.
With that said, I've heard that AMD has vastly improved their Crossfire scaling with the 6000 series. I'm still worried about microstuttering ruining my experience though.
The only thing i like about the 6970 is the 2GB of Memory. If only Amd could make drivers that are decent like fermi's.
The really interesting thing is that I tend to favor AMD over NVIDIA when it comes to my video card purchases because all of my NVIDIA card purchases have been disasters (card arriving dead, driver conflicts with the games I currently want to play). To be fair, I don't really blame NVIDIA for this; it was probably bad luck on my part on the card that arrived dead, and me wanting to play Fallout 3 with the 190 drivers.
Have you noticed that at 1920x1200 (on the chart presented) the GTX580 is only 28% faster than your 5870? The 6970 is even less.
I wouldn't consider an upgrade so expensive for such low performance gains.
I would either get a second 5870 for CF, if your motherboard support it or go all the way for 6950CF (possibly unlocking them to 6970), especially if multi monitor gaming is in your future plans and/or your second box really wants a 5870.
Another option is wait just a bit more until for the 6990 and the 595 (not sure if this is the name) and see what those bring to the table.
Otherwise, these cards seem really bad upgrade values to the 5870.
I've taken notice, but 2 things: 1) the relative performance also applies to minimum FPS, so even if 28% is not by any means an earth-shattering difference, the increase in minimum FPS might make particularly intensive segments in some games much more tolerable, and 2) Microstuttering.
:thumbsup: Agreed. If he is going to spend $500 on a GTX580, might as well try HD6950 in CF for $60 more. It will wipe the floor with the 580 at 1920x1080. HD6970/570 cards are much better values. The 797 mhz EVGA GTX570 should be very close to the GTX580 in performance for $370. Then if you want more performance down the line, just grab HD7000/Kepler closer towards the end of the year. You'll put $150 saved now towards those much faster cards.
You always seem to be the voice of reason in these forums when it comes to video cards. I appreciate that!
This card looks very nice, and more and more people keep recommending Crossifre or SLI setups. From a performance/price point of view, it seems like a pair of 6950s or 570s would be a very wise investment right now over a single 580 or 6970.
Still, the idea that microstuttering might creep in keeps bothering me.