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Help Me Choose A SportBike

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If you want a little style and don't want to be another cookie cutter GSXR/CBR/YZF/ZX/etc....

Take a look at:
Triumph Speed Triple 1050
Triumph Street Triple 675 and Street Triple 675R
Triumph Daytona 675

All have a unique 3cyl triple that makes torque like a twin and spins up like an inline-4. All are unique and fanatically loved by owners. The Speed and Street are naked's that offer all day comfort and supersport performance.
 
Originally posted by: MiataNC
If you want a little style and don't want to be another cookie cutter GSXR/CBR/YZF/ZX/etc....

Take a look at:
Triumph Speed Triple 1050
Triumph Street Triple 675 and Street Triple 675R
Triumph Daytona 675

All have a unique 3cyl triple that makes torque like a twin and spins up like an inline-4. All are unique and fanatically loved by owners. The Speed and Street are naked's that offer all day comfort and supersport performance.

I would look at the 2009 Ducati Monster too. The new 1100 v-twin is a sweet machine weighing in at around 380lbs dry and making over 100hp with lots of usable torque. I am planning on giving this bike a serious look in the next year or so.

I do love the Triumph Street and Speed Triple. They nailed it with both of those bikes.

Here is my bike

Ducati Monster 696 The 1100 looks very similar and uses the same frame.
 
Nice SV Jules! What year is that?? My last SV (04 S) also had a fender elminiator kit and an M4 exhaust on it, along with Galfer SS brake lines.
 
Originally posted by: kabob983
Nice SV Jules! What year is that?? My last SV (04 S) also had a fender elminiator kit and an M4 exhaust on it, along with Galfer SS brake lines.

Thanks, it's a 2008. I bought it last April and have about 4,500 miles on it now.
 
Originally posted by: caspur
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I'm curious why you're not looking at 600cc bikes. They're light and have more power than anyone needs for cruising (just over 3 seconds from 0 to 60 and 160-170 mph top speeds) and will have better fuel economy than a 1000cc+ bike. If you're looking for a sport bike cruiser, I can't imagine why you'd want a 1000cc+ bike... it just doesn't make any sense IMHO.

Thats the main problem with using a 600cc bike for cruising, they don't make enough power.

In sixth gear, at about 40 mph a 600cc bike has almost no go. You have to down shift, rev it like crazy to get any sort of speed out of it. While this is fine for the racetrack, where you can keep the engine in the powerband, for street riding, 600 cc sportbikes are terrible cruisers. (If you look at the dyno charts below 5-6k RPMs modern 600cc sportbikes make very little power).

Its not until you get into the 750 or 1000cc bike where they develop enough torque to use at lower RPMs around town. In addition to the higher torque numbers in the larger displacement engines, they are also enormously flexible in being able to rev past 12k rpms...which means you'll have ample power in any gear. Its what makes cruising in a 1k bike much more enjoyable than a smaller displacement engine.

Not to seem combative, but you don't need to put 100hp and 50lbs/ft to the pavement to get "any sort of speed" out of 600 pounds of bike and rider.
 
I wouldn't recommend a liter bike for anyone I don't know personally and who has ridden a 500-750cc for the previous two seasons.

 
My brother owns a GSXR1000 and my cousin owns an R1. Both great bikes. It comes down to personal preference.
My brother got some kind of kit to use regular bars on his GSXR, raising the handlebars an inch or two. He says it makes a tremendous difference in riding comfort. Something you may want to look into.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
My brother owns a GSXR1000 and my cousin owns an R1. Both great bikes. It comes down to personal preference.
My brother got some kind of kit to use regular bars on his GSXR, raising the handlebars an inch or two. He says it makes a tremendous difference in riding comfort. Something you may want to look into.

helibars ... a lot people use them for sport bikes. Another thing for comfort you may want to look into are lower pegs. The combination of the 2 gives you a better seated position where you aren't hunched over nearly as much
 
Originally posted by: kabob983
Originally posted by: Izusaga
Err, neither. If you want the fastest bike, get a '08 ZX10R. I wouldn't touch anything else in the liter bike category and it'll smoke the Busa and 14R on the track.

Of course, unless you're a fantastic rider you're going to go about exactly the same speed on any of the literbikes.

We were just having this discussion this morning about how little of a liter bike's potential the "average" rider uses, heck, even the typical club racer isn't going to use 30% of what the bike can do. Unless you're a seasoned superbike racer you're "lap times" are going to be identical. Go with what you like, don't look at performance numbers.

Both the GSX-R1000 and the YZF-R1 are going to be fantastic street bikes. Go check them both out, see which one you feel more comfortable on. The new crossplane crankshaft on the R1 will be interesting, and (honestly) might make the bike's powerband more street-friendly, but I'm sure they've made a plethora of improvements on the big Gixxer as well.

Once again, ignore performance numbers and such, just find what you like the most.


*edit* (after reading more)

As stated, a supersport is NOT what you're going to want to go "cruising" for long distances on either. Your lower back will hate you after two hours on an R1. Surprisingly the Hayabusa is MUCH more comfortable as it's not a supersport, it's a sport touring bike...just a really fast sport touring bike. An SV650/FZR600 or something will also be more comfortable.


Originally posted by: Sad Clown
I am not sure the SV650 will have the power I need when I do hit the freeway.

This kind of statement always makes me laugh, I hear it SO often on various MC forums (usually in the New Rider sections) and in sketchy bike shops. What exactly is "the power you need?" Is there some concrete number? Horsepower, acceleration, torque, 0-60, 60-80? I'm just curious. As the SV will get you up to highway cruising speeds about 1/2 to 3/4 of a second slower than a 1000cc bike (aka, roughly the speed of a Porsche 911 Turbo of Nissan GT-R), and the torque curve is very well suited for highway speeds. It doesn't have the ego boosting top speed figures, but how often do you plan on going 175 mph?

I've owned 2 SV650's, and I'll probably own a third if they ever update the bike. Fantastic bikes for learner, pro, or racer. Not trying to push you towards it, but I think you need to evaluate what you want your bike to do before deciding on the bike, as just reading your arguements seems that a 1000cc superbike may not be the best option. And in 99.9% of situations you won't have a problem keeping up with the "fast" bikes you mentioned.

And elganja, I'm not very familiar with drag times and such, but in stock form (from what I've read) the ZX-10R out-accelerated both the Hayabusa and ZX-14 all the way up to 100 or so, then the others flew past. Don't remember exactly where I read it.

This is exactly what I was thinking.
 
Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Greenman
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I'm curious why you're not looking at 600cc bikes. They're light and have more power than anyone needs for cruising (just over 3 seconds from 0 to 60 and 160-170 mph top speeds) and will have better fuel economy than a 1000cc+ bike. If you're looking for a sport bike cruiser, I can't imagine why you'd want a 1000cc+ bike... it just doesn't make any sense IMHO.

The problem is the 600cc bikes have no torque. They produce horse power by revving to 14000 rpm's. Torque is everything, that's what makes you grin when you twist the throttle. Huge rpm's are fine for racing, but for day to day riding and just all around fun, the more torque the better.

not like liter bikes have a ton of tq either...

edit:
*busa/zx14 have around ~110
*liter bikes have around ~70
*750 bikes have around ~55
*600 bikes have around ~45

OP i think you really should take a look at the gsxr750 ... you're not a heavy guy and I think the 750 will be plenty of power.

You don't think 110 ft lbs of torque is a lot? My bike produces about 80 ft lbs of torque, weighs a ton, and is still hard to hold on to when you twist the throttle. Though the torque curve is pretty flat, so you get it all at much lower rpm's than the inline fours.
 
Originally posted by: Greenman
You don't think 110 ft lbs of torque is a lot? My bike produces about 80 ft lbs of torque, weighs a ton, and is still hard to hold on to when you twist the throttle. Though the torque curve is pretty flat, so you get it all at much lower rpm's than the inline fours.

no i am saying the difference between a 600cc/750cc and 1000cc isn't much

i have a busa... i know what tq feels like on a bike that weighs a little over 650lbs (with me on it)
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
I wouldn't recommend a liter bike for anyone I don't know personally and who has ridden a 500-750cc for the previous two seasons.

I wouldn't recommend anything smaller than a 1000cc's. You don't have to twist the throttle.
 
Originally posted by: Greenman
Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Greenman
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I'm curious why you're not looking at 600cc bikes. They're light and have more power than anyone needs for cruising (just over 3 seconds from 0 to 60 and 160-170 mph top speeds) and will have better fuel economy than a 1000cc+ bike. If you're looking for a sport bike cruiser, I can't imagine why you'd want a 1000cc+ bike... it just doesn't make any sense IMHO.

The problem is the 600cc bikes have no torque. They produce horse power by revving to 14000 rpm's. Torque is everything, that's what makes you grin when you twist the throttle. Huge rpm's are fine for racing, but for day to day riding and just all around fun, the more torque the better.

not like liter bikes have a ton of tq either...

edit:
*busa/zx14 have around ~110
*liter bikes have around ~70
*750 bikes have around ~55
*600 bikes have around ~45

OP i think you really should take a look at the gsxr750 ... you're not a heavy guy and I think the 750 will be plenty of power.

You don't think 110 ft lbs of torque is a lot? My bike produces about 80 ft lbs of torque, weighs a ton, and is still hard to hold on to when you twist the throttle. Though the torque curve is pretty flat, so you get it all at much lower rpm's than the inline fours.

i guess he forgot the part where you have 50 ft-lbs on something that weighs a total of 500lbs, including the rider.
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

i guess he forgot the part where you have 50 ft-lbs on something that weighs a total of 500lbs, including the rider.

you must be kidding yourself... the OP weighs 190 lbs... so are you saying the liter bikes weigh 310lbs???

the 08 gsxr 1000 weighs 379 DRY... closer to 410-420 wet, probably even more

 
Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Greenman
You don't think 110 ft lbs of torque is a lot? My bike produces about 80 ft lbs of torque, weighs a ton, and is still hard to hold on to when you twist the throttle. Though the torque curve is pretty flat, so you get it all at much lower rpm's than the inline fours.

no i am saying the difference between a 600cc/750cc and 1000cc isn't much

i have a busa... i know what tq feels like on a bike that weighs a little over 650lbs (with me on it)

I don't ride a sport bike, so I'll have to take your word on it not being much difference, but I know that on the bike I ride another 20 ft lbs of torque is HUGE.

Again, I'm talking about low end torque. I've seen bikes that will do 125mph and can barley pull themselves out of the gutter.
 
Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

i guess he forgot the part where you have 50 ft-lbs on something that weighs a total of 500lbs, including the rider.

you must be kidding yourself... the OP weighs 190 lbs... so are you saying the liter bikes weigh 310lbs???

the 08 gsxr 1000 weighs 379 DRY... closer to 410-420 wet, probably even more

Well, the tank I ride weighs in at around 685 with a tank of gas, I need all the torque I can get. And like I said, torque is what makes you smile.
 
Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

i guess he forgot the part where you have 50 ft-lbs on something that weighs a total of 500lbs, including the rider.

you must be kidding yourself... the OP weighs 190 lbs... so are you saying the liter bikes weigh 310lbs???

the 08 gsxr 1000 weighs 379 DRY... closer to 410-420 wet, probably even more

my point is the OP doesn't necessarily need a liter bike to move around. a yamaha R6 has 41 ft-lbs and takes off like hell. obviously something that's designed more for cruising, like jules' SV650 or the ducati monster, will have better low-end torque while still allowing for corner-carving.

and for what it's worth, a busa's curb weight is 573lbs according to suzuki's website, so unless you weigh 90lbs, you're looking at ~700-750lbs to move when you're riding.
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
my point is the OP doesn't necessarily need a liter bike to move around. a yamaha R6 has 41 ft-lbs and takes off like hell. obviously something that's designed more for cruising, like jules SV650 or the ducati monster, will have better low-end torque while still allowing for corner-carving.

and for what it's worth, a busa's curb weight is 573lbs according to suzuki's website, so unless you weigh 90lbs, you're looking at ~750lbs to move when you're riding.

you assume my bike is stock... my bike weighed in at 649 lbs with me on it in full race trim (drag racing)

and I think you and I are on the same page ... I suggest the OP get a 750 not a liter bike
 
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