Help me choose a processor

[conlan]

Been outta the game for awhile so i need a little help deciding between these:

A64 5000+ 65W

C2D E4400

C2D E4500

Should i decide on the C2D, how's this mobo for the o/c?

How's this C2D CPU Cooler

 

[Quiksilver]

None of the above.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115031

That is cheaper than another you limited it down too and offers better performance.

 

[qliveur]

Hope you haven't bought an AM2 motherboard already.

And I'd suggest the E4400 instead of the E4500. It's ~$20.00 cheaper and you shouldn't need a multi any higher than 10x. You should still be able to get really high overclocks on cheap RAM with it.

 

[NoSoup4You]

For AM2, I'd probably go for either the 65nm 5600+ or the 90nm 6000+.

 

[conlan]

Thanks for the replies, after a little reading, i've decided on a 65nm proc. either the C2D E4400/4500 or the A64 5000+ (don't think they make a 65nm 5600+)
.
The 5000+ runs @ 2.6 gHz right out of the box, while the C2Ds require a serious o/c. I read that these C2Ds o/c very well, but don't want to get stuck w/ a bum chip that won't.

Should i decide on the C2D, how's this mobo for the o/c?

How's this C2D CPU Cooler

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: conlan
Should i decide on the C2D, how's this mobo for the o/c?

...no.

Better mobo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813127031

...and your under-estimating just how well these chips can overclock even on stock cooling.

 

[darkfalz]

Do not waste your time/money on AMD, their chips are junk.


I love how it says "throw another workload on the barbie" - perfect analogy for these hot running pieces of under powered junk.

 

[Quiksilver]

I'm sorry but if your going to criticize AMD by saying their processors run hot but apparently you need to pick up a Netburst based Presscot or even a Q6600.

My AMD 4000+ has been running just fine for over 3 years in a house that has no air-conditioning the hottest it's ever been was 42C when their was a small heatwave where the temperature was around 92F on the inside of the house. Granted I'm using a aftermarket heatsink but it wasn't for better cooling it was cause I haver never liked stock cooling solutions whether its AMD or Intel.

By that post you sound more like a <insert six letter f word here>

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
I'm sorry but if your going to criticize AMD by saying their processors run hot but apparently you need to pick up a Netburst based Presscot or even a Q6600.

My AMD 4000+ has been running just fine for over 3 years in a house that has no air-conditioning the hottest it's ever been was 42C when their was a small heatwave where the temperature was around 92F on the inside of the house. Granted I'm using a aftermarket heatsink but it wasn't for better cooling it was cause I haver never liked stock cooling solutions whether its AMD or Intel.

By that post you sound more like a <insert six letter f word here>

im sorry if your going to dogg a C2D then you need to relook at his situation.

If i had to start out fresh, theres no fat chance in hell i would recomend any AMD to anyone.

Why? because the C2D is FASTER per clock, more power efficent.

That AMD running at 2.6 will get BLOWN away by a C2D 2.2ghz.

Dont look at AMD. The company is in big touble, barcelona wont compare JACK on desktop application, and market. The only good it does is in backroom servers on there opty line.

Get a E4400 or a E6600. And watch it pwn the AMD.

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
I'm sorry but if your going to criticize AMD by saying their processors run hot but apparently you need to pick up a Netburst based Presscot or even a Q6600.

My AMD 4000+ has been running just fine for over 3 years in a house that has no air-conditioning the hottest it's ever been was 42C when their was a small heatwave where the temperature was around 92F on the inside of the house. Granted I'm using a aftermarket heatsink but it wasn't for better cooling it was cause I haver never liked stock cooling solutions whether its AMD or Intel.

By that post you sound more like a <insert six letter f word here>

im sorry if your going to dogg a C2D then you need to relook at his situation.

If i had to start out fresh, theres no fat chance in hell i would recomend any AMD to anyone.

Why? because the C2D is FASTER per clock, more power efficent.

That AMD running at 2.6 will get BLOWN away by a C2D 2.2ghz.

Dont look at AMD. The company is in big touble, barcelona wont compare JACK on desktop application, and market. The only good it does is in backroom servers on there opty line.

Get a E4400 or a E6600. And watch it pwn the AMD.

In this review, it doesn't look like the two Core 2 cpu's you mentioned ( pwn the two AMD's mentioned at all ) except maybe for power consumption. But that is what nice psu's are for.

X2 vs. Core 2 Review...........Tech Report

 

[cputeq]

While I can't claim to be the market analyst aigomorla apparently is, I do agree it's pointless, if starting fresh, to go AMD at this point and time.

A quick look at Tom's Hardware CPU charts will show you how these 2 processors perform. The E6600 pretty much beats the 65nm 5000+ in all tests.

I'm a fan of AMD, but I give Intel credit-- their CPUs have definitely caught up and surpassed AMD in a big way. I'm hoping AMD comes back strong, because competition is a good thing ;-)

However, as it stands, AMD is getting trampled. This is the exact reason I'm actually piecing out my current system on Ebay and moving to either an E6600 or Q6600.
Because socket 939 4600+ is so hard to find, it might actually not cost me much to do such a move ;-)

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
I'm sorry but if your going to criticize AMD by saying their processors run hot but apparently you need to pick up a Netburst based Presscot or even a Q6600.

My AMD 4000+ has been running just fine for over 3 years in a house that has no air-conditioning the hottest it's ever been was 42C when their was a small heatwave where the temperature was around 92F on the inside of the house. Granted I'm using a aftermarket heatsink but it wasn't for better cooling it was cause I haver never liked stock cooling solutions whether its AMD or Intel.

By that post you sound more like a <insert six letter f word here>

im sorry if your going to dogg a C2D then you need to relook at his situation.

If i had to start out fresh, theres no fat chance in hell i would recomend any AMD to anyone.

Why? because the C2D is FASTER per clock, more power efficent.

That AMD running at 2.6 will get BLOWN away by a C2D 2.2ghz.

Dont look at AMD. The company is in big touble, barcelona wont compare JACK on desktop application, and market. The only good it does is in backroom servers on there opty line.

Get a E4400 or a E6600. And watch it pwn the AMD.

Yes I know he's starting fresh and intel is the way to go but that wasn't the case not all that long ago when AMD was leading the market; I mean intel wouldn't be were it is right now if AMD didn't push and shove them to this point.

So having someone call their processors "junk" isn't necessarily true. Especially when intel has had hotter running chips.

Oh and I didn't dog a c2d, it was a c2q.

 

[conlan]

Thanks for the replies, but let's try to refrain from the flame wars and have an mature intelligent conversation here please

At the moment, i'm leaning heavily towards the E4400, any other thoughts?

 

[Regs]

G.Skill DDR2 800 is a good bargin if you need RAM.

And yeah, I would also agree not to touch AMD right now if you want performance. Apparently AMD forgot what that was.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
I'm sorry but if your going to criticize AMD by saying their processors run hot but apparently you need to pick up a Netburst based Presscot or even a Q6600.

My AMD 4000+ has been running just fine for over 3 years in a house that has no air-conditioning the hottest it's ever been was 42C when their was a small heatwave where the temperature was around 92F on the inside of the house. Granted I'm using a aftermarket heatsink but it wasn't for better cooling it was cause I haver never liked stock cooling solutions whether its AMD or Intel.

By that post you sound more like a <insert six letter f word here>

im sorry if your going to dogg a C2D then you need to relook at his situation.

If i had to start out fresh, theres no fat chance in hell i would recomend any AMD to anyone.

Why? because the C2D is FASTER per clock, more power efficent.

That AMD running at 2.6 will get BLOWN away by a C2D 2.2ghz.

Dont look at AMD. The company is in big touble, barcelona wont compare JACK on desktop application, and market. The only good it does is in backroom servers on there opty line.

Get a E4400 or a E6600. And watch it pwn the AMD.

Yes I know he's starting fresh and intel is the way to go but that wasn't the case not all that long ago when AMD was leading the market; I mean intel wouldn't be were it is right now if AMD didn't push and shove them to this point.

So having someone call their processors "junk" isn't necessarily true. Especially when intel has had hotter running chips.

Oh and I didn't dog a c2d, it was a c2q.

OH... lol...

You making fun of my C2Q? :[

http://i125.photobucket.com/al.../aigomorla/3.73ghz.jpg

She's sad now. Very very sad.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: conlan
Thanks for the replies, after a little reading, i've decided on a 65nm proc. either the C2D E4400/4500 or the A64 5000+ (don't think they make a 65nm 5600+)
.
The 5000+ runs @ 2.6 gHz right out of the box, while the C2Ds require a serious o/c. I read that these C2Ds o/c very well, but don't want to get stuck w/ a bum chip that won't.

Should i decide on the C2D, how's this mobo for the o/c?

How's this C2D CPU Cooler

The C2D's may require serious OC'ing, but its easy to do. Start with stock vcore, and just crank up the fsb. Most I hear will do 2.8 on stock vcore and cooling.

 

[darkfalz]

They don't require overclocking, they are already faster than AMD's best at default clocks. Full stop. Overclocking is just a bonus, especially when you are pretty much guaranteed a free 600-1200 MHz.

 

[Arkaign]

If you're overclocking, C2D > X2 all the way. You also get guaranteed quad-core path, which is something sort of iffy on the AM2 side. Even if Phenom functions in current AM2 boards, it may incur significant performance penalties as opposed to the next-gen AM2+/AM3 chipsets.

I think it's wise to either put the extra few bucks and grab a E6420 (4mb L2, easy to hit 3-3.2ghz ice cold). The 6xx0 series has a soldered IHS which conducts heat better than the 2xx0 and 4xx0 series. Higher bus, and 4mb instead of 1mb or 2mb L2 make a nice boost. The other way is a 2160 or so, and boost to 3ghz and be happy. For $70-$80, you've just outran even liquid-cooled X2 6400+ AM2 chips. No joke.

Enjoy your build!

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
If you're overclocking, C2D > X2 all the way. You also get guaranteed quad-core path, which is something sort of iffy on the AM2 side. Even if Phenom functions in current AM2 boards, it may incur significant performance penalties as opposed to the next-gen AM2+/AM3 chipsets.

I think it's wise to either put the extra few bucks and grab a E6420 (4mb L2, easy to hit 3-3.2ghz ice cold). The 6xx0 series has a soldered IHS which conducts heat better than the 2xx0 and 4xx0 series. Higher bus, and 4mb instead of 1mb or 2mb L2 make a nice boost. The other way is a 2160 or so, and boost to 3ghz and be happy. For $70-$80, you've just outran even liquid-cooled X2 6400+ AM2 chips. No joke.

Enjoy your build!

That's a good point, even though I don't think there will be a performance impact, but AMD looks like they won't have Barc cores out in any quantities at least until AM3 shows up which will likely come with more incentives.

 

[qliveur]

In a valiant attempt to rescue this thread, I'll point out that SerpentRoyal has done a great review on a great overclocking motherboard that happens to be uber-cheap. Check out this thread and see what you think. It would be perfect for an E4400.

 

[owensdj]

An Intel E6600 *should* be faster than a AMD X2 5000+. It's $111 more. Nearly double the cost. In terms of price/performance the AMD processor wins.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
I'm sorry but if your going to criticize AMD by saying their processors run hot but apparently you need to pick up a Netburst based Presscot or even a Q6600.

My AMD 4000+ has been running just fine for over 3 years in a house that has no air-conditioning the hottest it's ever been was 42C when their was a small heatwave where the temperature was around 92F on the inside of the house. Granted I'm using a aftermarket heatsink but it wasn't for better cooling it was cause I haver never liked stock cooling solutions whether its AMD or Intel.

By that post you sound more like a <insert six letter f word here>

im sorry if your going to dogg a C2D then you need to relook at his situation.

If i had to start out fresh, theres no fat chance in hell i would recomend any AMD to anyone.

Why? because the C2D is FASTER per clock, more power efficent.

That AMD running at 2.6 will get BLOWN away by a C2D 2.2ghz.

Dont look at AMD. The company is in big touble, barcelona wont compare JACK on desktop application, and market. The only good it does is in backroom servers on there opty line.

Get a E4400 or a E6600. And watch it pwn the AMD.

Yes I know he's starting fresh and intel is the way to go but that wasn't the case not all that long ago when AMD was leading the market; I mean intel wouldn't be were it is right now if AMD didn't push and shove them to this point.

So having someone call their processors "junk" isn't necessarily true. Especially when intel has had hotter running chips.

Oh and I didn't dog a c2d, it was a c2q.

OH... lol...

You making fun of my C2Q? :[

http://i125.photobucket.com/al.../aigomorla/3.73ghz.jpg

She's sad now. Very very sad.

I almost shed a tear then I realized I too will own a q6600 soon ( I could get it now but with me moving at end of this week no point in ordering now ;p)

 

[AsusGuy]

Why buy an overpriced Intel 4400 when you can get a faster chip (e.g. the X2 5000+ or 5200+) both come in 65nm configurations and can be overclocked 600-800mhz with good stepping. Don't bash AMD just because Intel's high end chips are the "fastest" on the market. AMD still has some very good products to offer, many that are faster and less expensive than C2D. And AM2 buyers can upgrade to AM2+ by simply upgrading the bios.

 

[bryanW1995]

seriously? are you seriously recommending that the OP get an am2 mobo right now??? The only reason to go am2 now is if you get a 4000+ and an uber-cheap overclocking board to crank it up. At any price point about the cheapest of the cheap the intel wins. That, of course, is assuming that you are willing to do a bare minimum of overclocking (not messing with voltages for example).

I would get an e2160 and an ip35-e for now. Overclock the everliving **** out of it, then buy a penryn quad in Q1 and sell the e2160.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: AsusGuy
Why buy an overpriced Intel 4400 when you can get a faster chip (e.g. the X2 5000+ or 5200+) both come in 65nm configurations and can be overclocked 600-800mhz with good stepping. Don't bash AMD just because Intel's high end chips are the "fastest" on the market. AMD still has some very good products to offer, many that are faster and less expensive than C2D. And AM2 buyers can upgrade to AM2+ by simply upgrading the bios.

Stupidest comment and recommendation of the thread winner right here.... and no I don't have anything against AMD (as I am using one of their processors right now) but why would he want to overclock a X2 5000+ just so it can beat a stock e4400 when he could do the same with a e4400 and it will kill a majority of the current AMD processors.

Also is $130 is "overpriced" then you got some serious issues.