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Help me Build Super-Machine :p

fir3wir3

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Ok, I'm looking to build a monster machine.

Want some recommendations.

Processor - I'm stuck on either dual 800, 866, or 933 P3 (No need for Xeon)

Motherboard- Clueless??? -- Obviously need something w/ dual Socket370. 4 dimms,agp, more pci the better. Not sure about Onboard SCSI.

Ram - - Was Thinking of using 512mb Of that PC143 Mushkin stuff. Other reccomendations?

Hard drives - - I was thinking the x15 was the best drive out right now. But I'm REALLY REALLY not up on SCSI drives. Would need around 80-100gb.

CDRW - Decided on Plextor 12x10x32s (any others?)

CDROM - Plextor 40x Ultra

SCSI Card - Please suggest a scsi card for the hard drives...and maybe one for the cdrw.
Probably the Adaptec 29160?

Case and Powersupply I think I've got But maybe you can give advice on that as well

Think that covers it

Please help me out...need to make sure I'm getting the best of everything.
 
My thoughts:

CPUs: Dualie P3 933's

Mobo: I think MSI has a good dualie S370 board out

RAM: Why not go with a gig?

HD's: If you want X15's, you'll need to use RAID. There are no single X15's that will fulfill your storage requirements. Unless it doesn't have to be one continuous volume, then you could use multiple 18 gig X15's. Or just span the drives in RAID...

CDRW: Plextor should be out with their 16x before too long

CDROM: If you have to have SCSI, then that should be fine... If not, the Kenwood 72X's kick ass

SCSI card: Depends on whether you want raid or not.

Case & P/S: SuperMicro SC750A, 450W Enermax P/S.

Viper GTS
 


<< Hell, I'd go with the 1.5ghz P4 over the dual P3's. >>



Any reason as to why you'd want only 2/3 of the dualy's performance?
 
Ok

I was planning on doing raid, no matter what

I'm thinking the x15 drives.

also thinking about that seagate cheetah 73.4 gb or whatever...Still debating.

I know ASUS has a board to that I might go w/.
 
Yeah, I think just 18

I was talking about the 10k rpm one

but if I could do raid on like...maybe 6 of the x15...I dunno

Oh, and the pc143 only comes in 128mb modules.

So I'm gonna gave to go elsewhere for ram.
 
hmm, now I need THE BEST scsi card for the burner and cdromw (which I guess the asus CUR-DLS comes w/ scsi2 ultra so wouldnt have to worry about that.

but what about a raid for the x15?
 
I'm pretty sure Adaptec doesn't have any hardware RAID solutions, so unless you want to run software RAID you'll need to look elsewhere.

I think there's only one company offering hardware Ultra160 RAID controllers, but I don't remember which one it was.

Viper GTS
 
For SCSI RAID: ICP Vortex Raid controller. starts with 16 mb, can be upgraded to 64...

RAM: Crucial. The more the merrier..

Mainboard: Tyan Tiger 200 Dual FC-PGA with onboard dual intel LAN..nice..

Drives: U160 drives from IBM or Seagate.. Go for RAID 5...

 
Oh, and VIPER, Adaptec has an Hardware RAID solution for Ata 66..
and a HUGE ADD for their RAID solutions:

SUB.Entry Level: RAID AAA ATA66
Entry Level:2100s (Ultra 160 Raid with 32 MB cache upgradeable to 128)

Mid-Range Server:3400S U160 for up to 60 drives..

High End Server: DPT Millennium Fibre with up to 2 channels,Support for up to 256MB of hardware cache...
 
Get a Serverwork HE-SL chipset Mobo like Supermicro 370DE6 or Tyan Thunder 2500. They have 64 bit PCI, which is a must if you wanna raid more than 3 of those x15 babies. They will give you the better stability and compatibility over those micky mouse VIA dual boards. Plus they will have onboard SCSI that will take care of your CDROM and other SCSI peripherals.

Only problem, they are hard to find and expansive. Thunder 2500 is selling for $799, but hey you are looking for a monster system and money is no object right?

And ummm...you are not going to run win9x on this system right??
 
Viper GTS: the 2100s, 3200s, 3400s series are very new, but adaptec had another hardware RAID series available before that (Ultra2-LVD, not Ultra160), and they also recently purchased DPT, which had their own Ultra160 RAID line, which the new adaptec series is based on.

fir3wir3, here're my recommendations:

Motherboard: Supermicro makes some excellent dual proc motherboards, I have a PIIIDME that I'm very happy with, but they also have a serverworks chipset board which has socket 370, vs. the PIIIDME w/ the i840 chipset, and slot 1.


Processors: I've got dual 650Es cB0 running at 866 rock stable, at default voltage, running at like 35-40 degrees each. If you were dead set on the choices you brought up though, I would go with the 933s. Dual PIIIs are unquestionably faster (at least where SMP is supported) than either an T-bird 1.2G or a P4 1.5G, not to mention more available than the T-bird, and cheaper than the P4.

RAM: 512 MBs would be good, not sure if the PC143 in your post was a typo, or faster RAM, no need to get anything faster than PC133 though, since you will not be overclocking it. If you go with the 840 chipset, the memory bus runs at 100MHz, but interleaves for performance, so it's not as slow as PC100, but you will need to install RAM in pairs. You should go with Cas-222 ram with a 6 layer PCB.

Hard drives: the Cheetah x15 is the fastest, but is only available in 18GB. The cheetah 73 is also very fast, and has 73 GB, but is 1.6&quot; high.
You'd probably be best off w/ dual X15s in RAID 0 for booting, and dual Cheetah 36LP or Quantum Atlas 10K II 36 GB drives in RAID 0 for data.

CD-RW: this should be between the yamaha 16x/10x/40x SCSI and the Plextor 12/10/32S I'm considering this upgrade as well, and I'm not sure which is better. I'd probably go with the yamaha if I knew it was compatible with clonecd, as it is faster, and the 8MB buffer on it probably offsets the lack of burn proof.

CD-ROM: Plextor 40x Max, I wouldn't get the ultra-wide version because the 40x max has a newer hardware revision that reads faster than spec (Paritcularly with CD-Rs, and DAE), and the ultra reads at the same speed as the original 40x max. Any new one you buy should have the new hardware rev., but check on plextor's website, and you'll see that they have two different firmware tracks, the latest ones only work on the new hardware.

DVD-ROM: not sure if you want one or not, but I have the pioneer 304S 10x/40x SCSI dvd, which is an excellent drive. I have the plextor 40x max also for clonecd compatibility.

SCSI card: the Adaptec 29160 is an excellent card, but offers no hardware RAID. I'm really only familiar with the Adaptec RAID line, so if someone disagrees with me on this, please let me know, as I'm in the market for a RAID card as well. With 4 drives, you'd be best off with either the Adaptec 2100S, or 3200S, they both come with 32MB stock, and are upgradeable to 128MB. The 2100S is single channel, the 3200S is dual channel, the 3200S also allows for a backup battery add-on module. From the pictures I've seen (I can't find any proof though), it appears as though the 2100S takes 168 pin DIMMS, and the 3200S takes 144 pin SO-DIMMs. The big differences between this case would be that the 2100S is a 32-bit/33MHz PCI card, and the 3200S is a 64-bit/66MHz PCI card, and the single vs. dual channel. With 2 X15s, and 2 10K IIs or 36LPs in that system, you'd probably be able to max out the Ultra 160 interface. The 133 MB/sec 33MHz PCI bandwidth might bottleneck you. Additionally, if you put the data drives on a seperate channel from the boot drives, you'd squeeze more performance out of it due to having 320MB/sec from dual U160 channels. Keep in mind that neither of these RAID cards have 50 pin connectors on them, so you will need another scsi card such as the Adaptec 2940U or better to run your CD drives. I would stay away from onboard SCSI, since it seems to cost more than a card, and is not as flexible.

Case/Powersupply:
This depends mostly on what space you're sticking it in, whether you want rackmount, wheels, etc. but the Supermicro SC760A is an excellent case, which would have more than enough drive bays, fan mounts, and space for good airflow in the case. It also includes a 300 watt or 400 watt Redundant cooling power supply, which has dual fans in it, and senses when one of them fails, lights up an alarm light, and initiates the second one. I'm using an SC750A case right now, with a Pioneer 304S, a Plextor 40x max, a Plextor 8/20, and 4 10k rpm hard drives in it. I still have space for 3 more hard drives. The 750A case is built exactly like the 760A case.

Last notes:
You might want to consider getting 80 pin SCA-2 hard drives, and buying an SCA backplane for this system. Supermicro, and chieftec both have good SCA backplane/cages available. I have a Chieftec CT-1034 backplane in my system.
This would give you cooling for your hard drives, additional breathing room in the case, and would allow you to hot swap the hard drives, or easily switch in new drives. If you go with the 760A case, and the chieftec backplane though, you'll need to modify your case slightly. (the case has drive rails in between every 2 drives, and the chieftec backplane takes up 3 bays)

I hope this helps, good luck with your system, and let me know if you have any questions regarding these recommendations.


 
Please consider the Quantum Atlas 10KII over the Seagate X15

the X15 might spin faster but it doesnt really offer faster performance than the 10KII.

 
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