DVDdude, I'm not going to step in and say who was right/who was wrong, I just wanted to thank you for posting the link to the BIOS upgrade, thanks 🙂
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HELP: EPOX 8k3a Temperature Problems (I WAS RIGHT !!!!!)
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Mikewarrior2
Diamond Member
Explain where you are right...
Let me run down your various posts in this thread:
6/4/2002 5:45 PM PST: Complaint about temp readings being high. NO mention of complaint about 75C shutdown temp in bios
06/04/2002 6:56 PM PST: Again, complaint about high temp readings. No mention of complaint about shutdown temp of 75C in bios.
06/05/2002 10:06 AM PST: Once again, no mention of shutdown temp of 75C.
06/05/2002 11:36 AM PST: Once agian, no mention of shutdown temp of 75C.
06/06/2002 8:07 AM: finally, mention of 75C shutdown temp. HOwever, if you look at the hardocp tbred o/cing review, the chips are crashing at 75C internal diode temp. That makes a 75C bios "limit" very logical.
Various other blabbing posts complaining about Epox "dropping the ball".
Obviously, if cpu's are starting to crash around 75C-80C internal diode temps are the limits of a CPU, then 75C bios limit should be set. It is a user option to disable motherboard shutdown. If you are willing to risk your cpu about 75C, then it is the user choice to do so.
and you mentioned hte shutdown problem a total of ONE TIME. Just because epox changed it does nto make it a problem before.
And also to further examine your posts, you claim you have good cooling adn a great air conditioner, etc. Well, if that's the case, why is your case temp 34C (or 93F). Ever think that your high case temp was a reason for your 68C internal diode reading?
Mike
P.S. I don't see EPox going "Fixed Temperature problem of shutdown over 75C". That's because the 75C shutdown wasn't a problem. The only thing epox did is what htey've been doing for quite a while now, listening to the enthusiast crowd. They gave the enthusiast crowd willing to risk their cpu with an 80C shutdown temp. No real shock if you followed the epox mb's starting with teh 8k7a and the plethora of enthusiast pleasing bios' releases.
P.S.2. I dont' see anyone at AMDmb Epox Forums praising this bios as the save-all fixed the temperature problem bios. In fact, looking at the more knowledgeable posters, they don't believe anything is wrong with the 8k3a temperature readings, ala this thread http://www.amdmb.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135510
Let me run down your various posts in this thread:
6/4/2002 5:45 PM PST: Complaint about temp readings being high. NO mention of complaint about 75C shutdown temp in bios
06/04/2002 6:56 PM PST: Again, complaint about high temp readings. No mention of complaint about shutdown temp of 75C in bios.
06/05/2002 10:06 AM PST: Once again, no mention of shutdown temp of 75C.
06/05/2002 11:36 AM PST: Once agian, no mention of shutdown temp of 75C.
06/06/2002 8:07 AM: finally, mention of 75C shutdown temp. HOwever, if you look at the hardocp tbred o/cing review, the chips are crashing at 75C internal diode temp. That makes a 75C bios "limit" very logical.
Various other blabbing posts complaining about Epox "dropping the ball".
Obviously, if cpu's are starting to crash around 75C-80C internal diode temps are the limits of a CPU, then 75C bios limit should be set. It is a user option to disable motherboard shutdown. If you are willing to risk your cpu about 75C, then it is the user choice to do so.
and you mentioned hte shutdown problem a total of ONE TIME. Just because epox changed it does nto make it a problem before.
And also to further examine your posts, you claim you have good cooling adn a great air conditioner, etc. Well, if that's the case, why is your case temp 34C (or 93F). Ever think that your high case temp was a reason for your 68C internal diode reading?
Mike
P.S. I don't see EPox going "Fixed Temperature problem of shutdown over 75C". That's because the 75C shutdown wasn't a problem. The only thing epox did is what htey've been doing for quite a while now, listening to the enthusiast crowd. They gave the enthusiast crowd willing to risk their cpu with an 80C shutdown temp. No real shock if you followed the epox mb's starting with teh 8k7a and the plethora of enthusiast pleasing bios' releases.
P.S.2. I dont' see anyone at AMDmb Epox Forums praising this bios as the save-all fixed the temperature problem bios. In fact, looking at the more knowledgeable posters, they don't believe anything is wrong with the 8k3a temperature readings, ala this thread http://www.amdmb.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135510
Don't be a sore loser dude. They obviously did this because people were complaining about it (or they realized it was reading a little too high) - take your pick. A phone conversion with an Epox customer sevice representative seems to confirm this. Sorry to ruin yours (and everyone else's) dreams that this is the most perfect AMD board ever invented, but it does have a small problem. Does this board work? - yes. Is it fast? - yes. Does it have temp readout problems? - yes. Does Epox realize that this might be a problem? - yes. Did they release a new Bios to address this problem (and other fixes)? - yes. Problem solved. (And for the record, I am not an anti-Epox person, I have an old epox 8K7A that works perfectly and I still like it.)
Don't be a sore loser dude. 7000 posts does not make you god. I'm really sorry that you that don't know everything. Deal with it.
Don't be a sore loser dude. 7000 posts does not make you god. I'm really sorry that you that don't know everything. Deal with it.
Mikewarrior2
Diamond Member
Wow, i'm hurt by your words over the INTERNET.
Once again, you're bitching about
Once again, there are no temp readout problems. Just because they are higher does not make htem wrong.
Mike
Once again, you're bitching about
Once again, there are no temp readout problems. Just because they are higher does not make htem wrong.
Mike
Mikewarrior2
Diamond Member
Johnnie,
It is not a problem. The fact that the temperature readings are higher is due to the readings being internal diode. Everyone's been "brainwashed" by artificially low socket-thermistor readings.
mike
It is not a problem. The fact that the temperature readings are higher is due to the readings being internal diode. Everyone's been "brainwashed" by artificially low socket-thermistor readings.
mike
Mikewarrior2
Diamond Member
I never said i was smarter than hte EPox engineers, you did.
And once again, you're complaining about how the board is reporting temps. Once agian, and this is for all people, especially hte ones who said I didn't read your earlier posts, IT IS NOT A PROBLEM.
If you follow EpoxTEch's posts in the AMDmb' Epox forum, you'll notice that the temp readings and how they are reported is a NON-issue. EpoxTech works for epox. End of story. Stop saying that how the board is reporting temps is wrong, because it is not.
And yes, i'm a disgrace. I'm a disgrace because I "dont' read posts". Whatever. You keep complaining about a problem that is only a problem IN YOUR EYES. I dont' see a fix to lower temp readings from epox, because the temp readings are fine.
Mike
And once again, you're complaining about how the board is reporting temps. Once agian, and this is for all people, especially hte ones who said I didn't read your earlier posts, IT IS NOT A PROBLEM.
If you follow EpoxTEch's posts in the AMDmb' Epox forum, you'll notice that the temp readings and how they are reported is a NON-issue. EpoxTech works for epox. End of story. Stop saying that how the board is reporting temps is wrong, because it is not.
And yes, i'm a disgrace. I'm a disgrace because I "dont' read posts". Whatever. You keep complaining about a problem that is only a problem IN YOUR EYES. I dont' see a fix to lower temp readings from epox, because the temp readings are fine.
Mike
If you are hitting a max temp of 68C, what is wrong about enabling a 75C shutdown temp in the BIOS? I normally run ~50-52C on my overclocked P4 and have a shutdown temp of 60C. Hasn't gone off yet, and the only way it could would be if one of my case fans or heatsink fan failed.
It seems to me that you are putting a bandaid on a gaping wound just to make yourself feel better.
FACTS:
1. Your case temps are terrible. Get better cooling. I consider my case cooling extremely subpar with case temps about 4-5C above room temp. It is extremely easy to get this down to 1-2C above ambient.
2. Your heatsink absolutely sucks. Yes it is the retail heatsink, yes AMD deemed it "sufficient" for use with their processor. But this is the absolute BARE MINIMUM(hence, sufficient) you can really use to cool your processor. They are not offering an aggressive cooling solution, and it appears you are uneasy about these "reported" temps. The motherboard is not at fault, it is your cooling setup. You should first the problem, not bully the messenger into telling you something that will make you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Enabling a higher shutdown temperature is not getting rid of the problem. If you want a shutdown temp, I'd set it to something reasonable like.... say 75C. Anything higher for extended periods of time and you are definitely risking permanent damage to your chip.
I'd also suggest you listen to Mikewarrior, as he definitely knows what he is talking about in the realm of PC cooling. It appears you are lacking on some of the "finer points."
PS. Don't bother responding to me saying that I consider myself "smarter than AMD's engineers." If this post made you mad, maybe it did so because you paid ~$15 for a $2 heatsink and a warranty and now you want to point fingers at something because you are observing temperatures which don't seem up to your standards. If you were concerned about how hot your new computer would be running, you should have researched things more thoroughly and chosen a heatsink + case cooling combo which would give you enough cooling power at an acceptable noise level. Badgering people online and publicly bashing a product for no logical reason will not do anything to correct the problem at hand.
Defster
It seems to me that you are putting a bandaid on a gaping wound just to make yourself feel better.
FACTS:
1. Your case temps are terrible. Get better cooling. I consider my case cooling extremely subpar with case temps about 4-5C above room temp. It is extremely easy to get this down to 1-2C above ambient.
2. Your heatsink absolutely sucks. Yes it is the retail heatsink, yes AMD deemed it "sufficient" for use with their processor. But this is the absolute BARE MINIMUM(hence, sufficient) you can really use to cool your processor. They are not offering an aggressive cooling solution, and it appears you are uneasy about these "reported" temps. The motherboard is not at fault, it is your cooling setup. You should first the problem, not bully the messenger into telling you something that will make you all warm and fuzzy inside.
Enabling a higher shutdown temperature is not getting rid of the problem. If you want a shutdown temp, I'd set it to something reasonable like.... say 75C. Anything higher for extended periods of time and you are definitely risking permanent damage to your chip.
I'd also suggest you listen to Mikewarrior, as he definitely knows what he is talking about in the realm of PC cooling. It appears you are lacking on some of the "finer points."
PS. Don't bother responding to me saying that I consider myself "smarter than AMD's engineers." If this post made you mad, maybe it did so because you paid ~$15 for a $2 heatsink and a warranty and now you want to point fingers at something because you are observing temperatures which don't seem up to your standards. If you were concerned about how hot your new computer would be running, you should have researched things more thoroughly and chosen a heatsink + case cooling combo which would give you enough cooling power at an acceptable noise level. Badgering people online and publicly bashing a product for no logical reason will not do anything to correct the problem at hand.
Defster
FACT: I am not using the retail AMD heatsink with this motherboard. I just TESTED IT (read the whole post MORON) with it (among other CPUs and various heatsinks). Also, read the AMDMB boards and you will see that this IS a concern for many people.
I am not "badgering" anyone. I just WANT this idiot mike to STOP posting in this thread (and for that matter - you can stop also).
This original post was intended FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THIS BOARD, not "senior status" members that want to believe they know everything about everything.
If this bothers you, then don't post in this thread anymore and let the thread die.
Damn, you think a "senior status" member would have figured this out?
I am not "badgering" anyone. I just WANT this idiot mike to STOP posting in this thread (and for that matter - you can stop also).
This original post was intended FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THIS BOARD, not "senior status" members that want to believe they know everything about everything.
If this bothers you, then don't post in this thread anymore and let the thread die.
Damn, you think a "senior status" member would have figured this out?
stop calling names..you're not going to make any friends here that way
i have the board
i like the board
eventually i'll probably upgrade the tbird 1.4 i have in the board to something with an onboard diode and i'll be very glad that my board reads it
setting your shutdown temp over 75 c is very unwise, running anywhere near 75 is bad
my 1.4 tbird has been running around 40 lately+ correction factor for thermistor vs diode roughly 15=55 degrees(trying to get an apples to apples comparison here), but my ambient temps are close to 90 F
(around 32-34 C) no ac either
i have my shutoff temp at 55, roughly equivalent to 70 for you
you might need better case cooling because your case temp is only one degree lower than mine and you're in an air conditioned room
i also question your heatsinks efficiency when you have a delta t of 19C...that seems too high to me
i have the board
i like the board
eventually i'll probably upgrade the tbird 1.4 i have in the board to something with an onboard diode and i'll be very glad that my board reads it
setting your shutdown temp over 75 c is very unwise, running anywhere near 75 is bad
my 1.4 tbird has been running around 40 lately+ correction factor for thermistor vs diode roughly 15=55 degrees(trying to get an apples to apples comparison here), but my ambient temps are close to 90 F
(around 32-34 C) no ac either
i have my shutoff temp at 55, roughly equivalent to 70 for you
you might need better case cooling because your case temp is only one degree lower than mine and you're in an air conditioned room
i also question your heatsinks efficiency when you have a delta t of 19C...that seems too high to me
Someone hit DVDretard over the head with a large hammer...maybe he will get it through his thick skull that way... Let's review this in a very very simple manner so DVDidiot can comprehend...
8K3A boards read a higher temp because they read the internal diode temp of the CPU. This is the correct temperature, as opposed to boards that read from a socket thermistor. However, DVDfagboy is sure it's not reporting correctly because it's higher. Second, the full load temp is getting very high..68C or so, which points to inadequate cooling, but nooooooooooo, it's Epox's fault that the shutdown temp is not set to go any higher than 79C. Maybe it's at the level for a reason...getiing over 79C is really pushing the thermal limits of the core. However, Epox decides to raise the temp threshold for retards like DVDa-hole so they can keep running their systems at too high of a temp, but it's Epox's fault right?
Go back under your rock....
And my post count and status have nothing to do with my replies...
8K3A boards read a higher temp because they read the internal diode temp of the CPU. This is the correct temperature, as opposed to boards that read from a socket thermistor. However, DVDfagboy is sure it's not reporting correctly because it's higher. Second, the full load temp is getting very high..68C or so, which points to inadequate cooling, but nooooooooooo, it's Epox's fault that the shutdown temp is not set to go any higher than 79C. Maybe it's at the level for a reason...getiing over 79C is really pushing the thermal limits of the core. However, Epox decides to raise the temp threshold for retards like DVDa-hole so they can keep running their systems at too high of a temp, but it's Epox's fault right?
Go back under your rock....
And my post count and status have nothing to do with my replies...
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