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HELP display problems in Linux !!

So I sold my X800XL PCI-e on the basis that I am not gaming anymore and it would be nice to have a card that would be supported in Linux, and more precisley Fedora Core 4.
Building on that info I try a friends PNY Geforce 6600 PCI-e 356 MB card, and it runs smoothly in widows, now I come to install Fedora Core 4, and I can't get into anaconda without getting a cirrupt display, so I try installing Fedorea Core 4 in text mode, everything goes nice up untill the end it crashes, I try all the options nofb, no probe, resolution= 800x600 / 1024x768 ...etc , I have tried all of the linux <options> available but nothing seems to work, Ubuntu fails after install too, at login it gives me a corrupt screen.

Fedora Core 4 used to install like butter when I used to have my X800XL in there so what's te problem here ?

I was planing to get a basic Nvidia PCI-e card for some simple Linux games like nexzius ..etc nothing big, what am I missing ?
 
first when installing try using the text mode installer. If you already have an installed system, then boot into single user mode and open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and change the driver to "nv" this should fix your graphics problem.
 
Before I have seen you guys's posts I think I had a similar approach in mind, I am as I speak installing Fedora Core 4 in text mode, and what is new here is that I am not going to install neither GNOME nor KDE that way I stick to a non-GUI enviroment, now I need assistance in the terminal part, after I login to my account (after the install is done) how can I load the NV drivers ? After that how do I install the latest version of GNOME ?
 
I can't beleive it I have installed Fedora Core 4 without Gnome nor KDE just X and I still got a crapy non-workable screen, I think my best solution would be to get some old NV MX4000 PCI card and then remove the 6600 and then install the 6600 in the system and then install the NV drivers, unless someone here has a better idea, then please telll me right up.

And what pisses me off is that SuSe 10.0 installed without a hitch, but that could be due to it being newer and with newer drivers available, but what I also can't understand, shouldn't the standard VESA driver in Fedora Core 4 work on MY 6600 card the same way it did on the X800XL or amI missing something ? Or is it that it's loading the 6600 drivers since I know that the 6200.6600,6600LE,6800Ultra are actually available in the graphics card list in Fedora Core 4, and I think it's the 6600 drivers issue, why ? Well becasue before the Fedora Core 4 installer loads I can see it identifying my graphics card it says NVidia 6600. So maybe the best approach here is to stop the installer from identifying my card and make it use the VESA driver instead, and then install the NV driver in there.
 
Originally posted by: TGS
alt-ctrl-backspace


I tried that, and it made me struggle because everytime that I do that it shows me the lgin screen, and then it gives me an error message saying that the display driver crashed, so it's official it's the driver.

OK the good news is that thanx to the alt ctrl backspace, and now what should I do ?
I don't have GNOME nor KDE, and all I have is this nice terminal, but I do have access to my laptop how am I supposed to install the NV drivers and followed by GNOME here ?
 
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
So maybe the best approach here is to stop the installer from identifying my card and make it use the VESA driver instead, and then install the NV driver in there.
That's what I was going to suggest. It sounds like the open source "nv" driver in xorg doesn't play well with the 6600 chipset. Just choose VESA and install the nvidia binary driver later.
 
I haven't installed FC4 before, but doesn't the installer let you change the video card after it detects the 6600?
 
There is an option called " linux dd" and that option is used if I have a driver disk , and BTW I have tried the noprobe option the card is still identified.
 
OK I have tried the linux dd option, all I did was download the latest Nvidia driver from here, then I burned it alone onto a CD , then I tried the linux dd option it asks me to insert the driver disk I do and nothing happens it asks me again and again 🙁
 
I don't knwo what the problem is...

So when you installed Fedora core it corrupted the display during the install???

At that point I don't think that Nvidia's drivers or Nv has anything to do with it all.

If it was to do with the nvidia drivers then you'd only get the problem after you finished the install and after you isntalled the nvidia drivers. Fedora does not provide the nvidia drivers by default in anyway.

For fedora to have it boot up with no X you can go ahead and install all the X stuff. Install Gnome or KDE or whatever you want.

The trick is to get Fedora to boot up in to 'Runlevel 3'. In Linux a 'runlevel' is a mode of operation. You have different modes for bootup, normal operation, and shutdown.

The default runlevel for most RPM-using distros is Runlevel 5. Runlevel 5 is basicly called something like 'multiuser with network and X'. Runlevel 3 is usually 'multiuser with network and without X'. So that way you can easily configure the system to disable the graphical login screen without having to be paticular about how you install the software.


There are two ways to acheive this. One is to issue a command to change runlevels while the system is running. The init program is the initial program, the grandfather off all other systems in Linux. So you have to tell init to change the runlevel.

telinit 3

is effective. This is usefull for when you need to manually install nvidia drivers, but it won't help you here.

the second method is to edit the /etc/inittab file to instruct init at bootup time that the default runlevel is 3. You'll see a line similar to id:5:initdefault: and you'll want to change that 5 into a 3.


To try to figure out what is going on you have to understand the borked-up nature of the Linux display drivers. Ever wonder why people complain about it? This is why.

Currently we have to impliment several drivers to acheive any one thing with the video card.

There is the VGA console driver, the framebuffer driver, the X windows driver, and the kernel-level X driver for hardware access. All these things need to work together to provide the functionality we are accustomed to in the Linux system.

It seems likely to me that:
1. Fedora has some funky framebuffer driver enabled at bootup time that screws your card up when you try to display X.
2. the Video card itself is damaged. Maybe you shocked it or maybe accidently broke off a capacitor or something.. it's broke enough that it works in compatability mode with the VGA console, but it's broke enough to gimp out when you try something more complex.


There are also some settings you can check out in your BIOS. Stuff like disabling AGP access or other AGP advanced AGP features can help with stability.


However I found this bug report while looking up stuff. Your card and similar ones are very common and many people must use it for Fedora Core 4. So if your having problems and it's due to software your probably not alone.

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/120272
- Fix for the infamous "libvgahw" bug, which was caused
by a gcc compiler bug. Many users were affected by this
issue, exhibiting symptoms such as X server crash or
corrupted display during OS installation or during X
server startup after performing a text mode install.
Green or blue border/banding on screen for mga and
some other hardware. A variety of video hardware that
was affected by this issue should now work. Some users
may still experience problems with similar sounding
symptoms after this update, and should query bugzilla
to find out if the particular issue is already
reported in a separate bug, or file a new report
if they still experience problems.

This sounds very similar to what your issues are. Especially the corrupt display at install time. That's unusual.


So maybe try to get FC 4 all the way up to date and see if you can get it working with the default "nv" drivers.

If you can't get it working try Knoppix. If it corrupts in Knoppix then you know it's not a Fedora-specific bug, but a driver or video card specific bug.

Try the card in Windows or on another machine, see if that works.

I recently had a problem with a onboard nvidia chipset with a friend's computer. The onboard video would work, but corrupt X immediately in Linux. In Windows it would work mostly, but crap out after a while with random reboots and driver warning displays. The only solution was to install a different nvidia card I took out earlier (because the goal was a quiet machine, but the agp card had a whiny fan.)


 
Originally posted by: The Linuxator
OK I have tried the linux dd option, all I did was download the latest Nvidia driver from here, then I burned it alone onto a CD , then I tried the linux dd option it asks me to insert the driver disk I do and nothing happens it asks me again and again 🙁

I think that's the wrong approach...
 
Originally posted by: drag
I don't knwo what the problem is...

So when you installed Fedora core it corrupted the display during the install???

At that point I don't think that Nvidia's drivers or Nv has anything to do with it all.

If it was to do with the nvidia drivers then you'd only get the problem after you finished the install and after you isntalled the nvidia drivers. Fedora does not provide the nvidia drivers by default in anyway.

For fedora to have it boot up with no X you can go ahead and install all the X stuff. Install Gnome or KDE or whatever you want.

The trick is to get Fedora to boot up in to 'Runlevel 3'. In Linux a 'runlevel' is a mode of operation. You have different modes for bootup, normal operation, and shutdown.

The default runlevel for most RPM-using distros is Runlevel 5. Runlevel 5 is basicly called something like 'multiuser with network and X'. Runlevel 3 is usually 'multiuser with network and without X'. So that way you can easily configure the system to disable the graphical login screen without having to be paticular about how you install the software.


There are two ways to acheive this. One is to issue a command to change runlevels while the system is running. The init program is the initial program, the grandfather off all other systems in Linux. So you have to tell init to change the runlevel.

telinit 3

is effective. This is usefull for when you need to manually install nvidia drivers, but it won't help you here.

the second method is to edit the /etc/inittab file to instruct init at bootup time that the default runlevel is 3. You'll see a line similar to id:5:initdefault: and you'll want to change that 5 into a 3.


To try to figure out what is going on you have to understand the borked-up nature of the Linux display drivers. Ever wonder why people complain about it? This is why.

Currently we have to impliment several drivers to acheive any one thing with the video card.

There is the VGA console driver, the framebuffer driver, the X windows driver, and the kernel-level X driver for hardware access. All these things need to work together to provide the functionality we are accustomed to in the Linux system.

It seems likely to me that:
1. Fedora has some funky framebuffer driver enabled at bootup time that screws your card up when you try to display X.
2. the Video card itself is damaged. Maybe you shocked it or maybe accidently broke off a capacitor or something.. it's broke enough that it works in compatability mode with the VGA console, but it's broke enough to gimp out when you try something more complex.


There are also some settings you can check out in your BIOS. Stuff like disabling AGP access or other AGP advanced AGP features can help with stability.


However I found this bug report while looking up stuff. Your card and similar ones are very common and many people must use it for Fedora Core 4. So if your having problems and it's due to software your probably not alone.

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/120272
- Fix for the infamous "libvgahw" bug, which was caused
by a gcc compiler bug. Many users were affected by this
issue, exhibiting symptoms such as X server crash or
corrupted display during OS installation or during X
server startup after performing a text mode install.
Green or blue border/banding on screen for mga and
some other hardware. A variety of video hardware that
was affected by this issue should now work. Some users
may still experience problems with similar sounding
symptoms after this update, and should query bugzilla
to find out if the particular issue is already
reported in a separate bug, or file a new report
if they still experience problems.

This sounds very similar to what your issues are. Especially the corrupt display at install time. That's unusual.


So maybe try to get FC 4 all the way up to date and see if you can get it working with the default "nv" drivers.

If you can't get it working try Knoppix. If it corrupts in Knoppix then you know it's not a Fedora-specific bug, but a driver or video card specific bug.

Try the card in Windows or on another machine, see if that works.

I recently had a problem with a onboard nvidia chipset with a friend's computer. The onboard video would work, but corrupt X immediately in Linux. In Windows it would work mostly, but crap out after a while with random reboots and driver warning displays. The only solution was to install a different nvidia card I took out earlier (because the goal was a quiet machine, but the agp card had a whiny fan.)


I have the machine running in Windows and no problem with the card, SUSE installs smoothly, it's defenitly a driver issue and I will quote myself from above :

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
Originally posted by: TGS
alt-ctrl-backspace


I tried that, and it made me struggle because everytime that I do that it shows me the lgin screen, and then it gives me an error message saying that the display driver crashed, so it's official it's the driver.



I wanted the 6600 because I can get a nice 256MB 6600 PCI-e from newegg for $ 72 it's a steal and performs great in windows and Linux (well I tried it in SUSE) so getting the 6600 to work is essential to me, unless I can find a similar substitute for the performance and price , otherwise it's a cheapo PCI-e 6200TC 🙁

And yes that bug report describes my problem pretty much.
 
The problem I linked to was with a compile-time error in X.org caused by GCC compiler.

Try upgrading Fedora to include the latest updates to X.org aviable from them and see if that helps. that paticular bug I showed you was fixed by a update.

to turn off X switch to a console by going ctrl-alt-F2, login as root, and issue the 'telinit 3' command. Then run the yum update command, then see if you can get it to work with the default nv drivers.

(edit: you may have reboot to put the video card back into a usable state)
 
I know it's a rather odd claim, but I swear I always see the most peculiar occurances with fedora...

driver

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run

You have to kill X to load the driver anyways. Beware the kernel interface if you are running a custom kernel.

readme
 
I have tried telinit 3 , then ran yum update, updated everything, the kernel is now the latest one, but still the problems didn't change.
I have the Nvidia driver alone on a CD how do I acess it from the terminal so I can run

 
mount the cdrom, if it isn't automounted. cd to the directory it was mounted at. sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run

mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt
cd /mnt
sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run
 
The terminal is not responding it's locking up even after I kill X . And I have already updated my system so I don't know what else I can do.
 
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