Help! AMD 1.4Ghz doesn't POST

[vipersky]

I just received my AMD 1.4Ghz and MSI K7-Master from newegg yesterday, along with a Thermaltake mini-copper orb. I scraped off the thermal pad from the heatsink, and applied Arctic Silver to it. When I first booted up, it was fine, set the clock to 133Mhz, but when I looked at the temp readings in the BIOS, it kept going up, I finally shut it down at 60C. I removed the CPU, figured that I had applied too much AS, and reapplied a thin layer of it. When I booted it back up again, it would hang at the RAM check on boot-up, then it started hanging once it displayed my video card info, and then a couple boots later, the diag LEDs on the motherboard all went red, signalling "bad or defective CPU".. what can I do?? My friend has had a similar problem with the K7Master also, but when I applied the AS the second time, I accidentally squirted some over the other portions of the CPU, would that affect it? Thanks for your help!

 

[vipersky]

Also, I have reset the BIOS several times using the jumpers, so BIOS settings are not the problem.. is anyone else having trouble with this motherboard?

 

[billx]

http://www.msihardware.com/
this is a msi forum

 

[nealh]

Is the core damaged??? Artic silver I believe can be washed off using dawn..then let the chip air dry completely...
The tbird has very high temp toloerance and I am not sure whether the MSI K7-Master is like the A7V133 and reads high temp...60C may not be high...if you get too work check the temp in the bios the Windows based temp monitor can be off....

IMHO..people make too much about the temps..they can not be compared between mobos ...search and see what mikewarrior has posted about this issue..

I just hope you did not damage the core...

For example my 1.2@1.39 at 1.85v runs on A7V133 with Asus probe at 63-64C idle with 68C under load..the Asus Probe adds at least 8-10 C to bios temp measurement...my sys temp is very stable ...

Also what is the vore set at it..I guess it is possible that if it too low or too high this may effect the boot up....mine will not boot unless it is at 1.85v

 

[vipersky]

All the settings in the BIOS were default, except for the FSB set to 133Mhz, somehow it doesn't detect that by default and goes to 100Mhz. The core doesn't appear to be damaged, no cracks or anything on the surface.. I know someone with this exact motherboard, and the CPU doesn't reach past 45C, and that's with the default AMD heatsink/fan.

 

[Adul]

Thermal take orbs are not good for cooling above 1.2 GHz Athlons. The Athlon 1.4 is dissipating 72 watts of heat. you really need a good quality cooling solution. Just ask mike warrior about thermal take. He has done extensive testing. I would also like to know what power supply you are using. Some 300 watts ps can't handle the power draw of a 1.4 GHz Athlon. Some people have had to go up to a 400+ watt power supply. So if you only have a 300 watt ps and you have a lot of devices on your system, then you will definitely need a beefier power supply.



AMD recomended power supply list.

Even though enernmax is not on the list, they work very well with athlon systems
http://www1.amd.com/athlon/npower/index/1,1712,,00.html

You may also try swapping out power supplies, I recently thought I had a couple of bad MSI MB when i couldn't get it to post. Also I got was all red leds. Even though the power supply worked with the celeron system (300 watt antec), it wouldn't on the duron. So after a couple weeks of headaches, I finaly tried out my bro's sparkle and it booted. So I bought a antec SX1030 case.

 

[vipersky]

It's supposedly certified to 1.5Ghz.. and I'm not doing any overclocking now. I've got it in an Antec SX1030 with the 300-watt AMD certified PS.

 

[Adul]

Well we do have the same case and power supply. try clean the chip off first, and also try to get it to boot at 100 Mhz bus instead of 133 fsb. And make sure the orb is on properly, some people have manage to put them on backwards.(along with other heat sinks)

 

[vipersky]

Already tried cleaning the chip off.. and I can't even boot now, but before when it booted up to the memory test, it registered as 100Mhz (1050Mhz CPU) after I reset the BIOS.. Anybody heard of problems with the K7Master? My friend had one that had the same problem (the LEDs diagnosed it as bad CPU) and she stuck the cpu into another motherboard and it worked fine! So maybe these motherboards have issues?

 

[Adul]

Sometimes you can get a bad one, but it can happen to any MB. If you want the 133 FSB, you will need to move the jumper for it on the MB. it selects 100/133. Lookin the manual for this.

 

[Smoke]

I have read where some people are having trouble with Epox 8K7A and the TB1.4 on initial bootup. The BIOS is not recognizing the CPU and needs to be upgraded to the latest.

Is this possibly what is going on here?

 

[Adul]

smokeball, your just a tad off here. He has a MSI MB.

 

[Smoke]

The point was that maybe his MSI BIOS may need to be updated.

 

[smp]

<< but when I looked at the temp readings in the BIOS, it kept going up >>



You might have fried the chip.. that's not supposed to happen.

 

[Adam12176]

60c is NOT ok. I'm suprised it worked at all. Once again, I shall refer you to this Overclockers.com Article outlining that even 70c (factoring in room temp) can be out of AMD's guidelines, and damage CPU's. I don't know who told you a MCorb would be ok for that CPU, but, as I have said 8 times now in the lasthour, if you are running a top notch processor, be prepared to pay for top notch cooling. AMD cpu's do NOT run cool, and require good cooling at high temps. Keep this in mind.

 

[Elvis2]

When I first installed my 1 gig 'bird 10 mos ago, i was concerned with it running @ 50 C. I spoke with an AMD tech and he said that anything from 0C on up to 90C was within spec. I got rid of my CoolMaster and installed an FOP38. Brought the temps down to 39/44C (idle/load). I've been able to squeeze 1260 mhz. out of it with that hsf. My new Swiftech MC 462-A arrived today and my 1.4 'bird's supposed to be here tomorrow. Get yourself a decent hsf! No such thing as overkill when it comes to cooling.


Sound to me though that it might be to late....

 

[bonkers325]

<< When I first installed my 1 gig 'bird 10 mos ago, i was concerned with it running @ 50 C. I spoke with an AMD tech and he said that anything from 0C on up to 90C was within spec. I got rid of my CoolMaster and installed an FOP38. Brought the temps down to 39/44C (idle/load). I've been able to squeeze 1260 mhz. out of it with that hsf. My new Swiftech MC 462-A arrived today and my 1.4 'bird's supposed to be here tomorrow. Get yourself a decent hsf! No such thing as overkill when it comes to cooling.


Sound to me though that it might be to late.... >>



amen to that