Help a noob, what video card?

[nonamenoob]

I just got a bare bones computer, have a basic card GT730 that I will return. If I were to spend in the $200 range and want a great picture for 4k TV as monitor, will be wanting to watch Ultra HD Blu-ray ( getting HDR TV with Dolby vision) but no major game play.
I want to get something that can handle games if needed but does not need to be the best.
I have an I7 6800k with MSI X99A RAIDER MB ( I chose the ASROCK X99 Extreme3) they put in the RAIDER, it costs more but not sure if it is better.
Thermaltake 750w PS

I try to buy the best value so I don't chase the upgrade bug

Is there generally any issues installing this grade of video card? I have done a basic computer build but that way many years ago so a little out of date on form factor or whatever I need to look for

 

[LTC8K6]

RX470 sounds about right.

 

[nonamenoob]

This one states HDR compatible.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137048
Good choice or overkill and stay with this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...gclid=CJjN4bnH9NACFQmDfgodVe0HBg&gclsrc=aw.ds

Both state HDR, does the extra memory make a big difference and how does it help in video?

 

[poofyhairguy]

My advice is don't buy any GPU, get a Xbox One S.

You see, there is no UHD disk playback software yet. And if we ever do get such software (I am doubtful) it will probably take the same path 4K Netflix did.

4K Netflix should work with new AMD and Nvidia cards, but it doesn't- it only works with Kaby Lake CPUs.

So any card you buy might never do what you want it to do. So I would pick the safe bet- the console that can play UHD discs today.

The HTPC is dead, and I say that as a guy who has built over three dozen of them the last 15 years.

 

[Bacon1]

My advice is don't buy any GPU, get a Xbox One S.

Its sad to say but very true. XB1S are super cheap as well. Multiple sales for them + games + extra controllers for under $300 now:

https://slickdeals.net/f/9538228-xb...controllers-3-months-gold-280-at-best-buy?v=1

https://slickdeals.net/f/9537052-be...-of-live-membership-for-255-fs?src=SiteSearch

Its just $250 without the extra goodies:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsoft-xbox-one-s-500gb-battlefield-1-console-bundle-white/5613745.p

 

[nonamenoob]

For UHD Blu ray that does make sense and I might get one in the future not sure what else these do, I will have to get used to streaming content for 4K but I will need a good video card for regular computer stuff and Blu-ray player built in and if I ever want to play an average game or a video I download to computer.

 

[happy medium]

I thought the Nvidia Shield is the best 4k streaming box for about $200?
Can you add a USB blue ray player to it?

I would just buy a gtx1050 for your computer , if there was a card that will play 4k Blue Ray and stream 4k netflix , that's your best bet. Low power, less heat,, cool and quiet and no power connector needed. and only $110 with a couple games.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125920&cm_re=gtx1050-_-14-125-920-_-Product

 

[Bacon1]

I would just buy a gtx1050 for your computer , if there was a card that will play 4k Blue Ray and stream 4k netflix , that's your best bet. Low power, less heat,, cool and quiet and no power connector needed. and only $110 with a couple games

It won't handle 4k netflix though. That is only possible with the latest Kraby Lake due to the DRM.

You also get a single game, not couple with that purchase FYI.

He'll still need a blue ray player that will work (if ever), which will cost more money. There is currently none that work with 4k:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=274769

 

[happy medium]

It won't handle 4k netflix though. That is only possible with the latest Kraby Lake due to the DRM.

You also get a single game, not couple with that purchase FYI.

He'll still need a blue ray player that will work (if ever), which will cost more money. There is currently none that work with 4k:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=274769

Kaby Lake is not the only Playready 3.0 device on the market. Nvidia's 1080 series cards are also playready 3.0 compatable and will be able to stream 4k. AMD also.

There are blue ray players out that play 4k.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2999470/blu-ray-disc-playing.html
Quote:
"
The newer LG BDXL drives can read them (make sure to get one with an initial manufacture date 2015 or later). Although there is a lack of software to play them currently due to the DRM on the discs. HDCP 2.2 is going to be a hassle to go through via software. We will have to see if the first instances of 4k BD viewing software will allow viewing through graphics devices and displays with only HDCP 1.4 or if you will have to have a Skylake processor for integrated graphics or a newer GPU that has HDCP 2.2 (like the upcoming NVidia GTX 1080 and 1070 as well as AMD's new GPU's yet to be announced).

It is a waiting game, I doubt anyone is cracking at from a homebrew level. We will just have to wait as Cyberlink is working with the UHD BD Association on UHD BD software."

Software is out for 4k blue-ray. Cyberlink released it.
http://www.cyberlink.com/stat/edms/ppc/blu-ray-player-software/powerdvd/15/50P_EOL_bundle/us/index.jsp?affid=2581_-1_647_PDVD-NB&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=PowerDVD Non-Branded - US&utm_term=+blu +ray +player +computer&utm_content=Blu-Ray Player Software Long-tail

Nvidia will play 4k blue-ray.

 

[magomago]

if you have 200 dollars, get a rx480.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I think the latest AMD and Nvidia cards will eventually be able to stream Netflix in 4K - it is just a matter of driver support (which is probably there already) and Netflix's certification process (which is probably where the hold up is).

So, if you were to buy one of those new cards, you would probably eventually be able to stream Netflix in 4k.

There are advantages to an Xbox One Slim though. For instance, I've noticed that a lot of streaming video providers do not have great support for Windows. Amazon, for instance. If you want to stream Amazon Prime Video on Windows, you can only do so through a browser, and you won't get 5.1 surround. If you have an Xbox One Slim, you can get 5.1 surround.

 

[happy medium]

There are advantages to an Xbox One Slim though

I think the Nvidia shield is the best 4k streaming box and is cheaper than the xbox.

quote:
"NVIDIA SHIELD is an amazing Ultra HD streaming media player. It delivers the ultimate in picture quality with incredible 4K resolution in favourite apps like Netflix and YouTube, as well as the brightness, colour, and detail of High Dynamic Range (HDR) in Netflix. Add in rich Dolby Atmos or 7.1 surround sound for a true home theatre experience. Or plug your headphones into your SHIELD controller or SHIELD remote for a private listening experience."

 

[Bacon1]

Software is out for 4k blue-ray. Cyberlink released it.

So thats an extra $50 (for the next 2 days, then its an extra $250(??)) on top of having to purchase the video card and blu-ray player, for a hopefully chance at it all working well in the future?

The XB1 is the best bet for ease of use.

Nvidia shield doesn't have a blu-ray drive, so it doesn't meet half of what OP wants, not to mention it is out of stock everywhere (discontinued?)

 

[happy medium]

So thats an extra $50 (for the next 2 days, then its an extra $250(??)) on top of having to purchase the video card and blu-ray player, for a hopefully chance at it all working well in the future?

The XB1 is the best bet for ease of use.

Nvidia shield doesn't have a blu-ray drive, so it doesn't meet half of what OP wants, not to mention it is out of stock everywhere (discontinued?)

Well he will purchase a new card and bluray player anyway....and you need
software for the hardware. Its the price you pay for wanting to be on the bleeding edge of technology. He has time, is there actually any 4k content out there?

Nvidia shield updated version will release early next month, that's why its out of
stock.

If it were me, i'd plan on just downloading the movie or stream it in 4k. I think they are going to prevent PC 's from playing 4k discs because of movie pirating. Sony wants you to buy a $400 4k player and hook it to your tv.

 

[Bacon1]

Well he will purchase a new card and bluray player anyway....and you need

No he doesn't though. He will save money buy just buying an XB1:S which can do all of that already and it is cheaper. There is no "maybe it will work sometime in the future".

And again, the shield doesn't have a blu-ray player so he can't play the disks like he wants to.

The best option is a console because they don't have the restrictions. Its sad but its the best option for him.

 

[Headfoot]

My advice is don't buy any GPU, get a Xbox One S.

You see, there is no UHD disk playback software yet. And if we ever do get such software (I am doubtful) it will probably take the same path 4K Netflix did.

4K Netflix should work with new AMD and Nvidia cards, but it doesn't- it only works with Kaby Lake CPUs.

So any card you buy might never do what you want it to do. So I would pick the safe bet- the console that can play UHD discs today.

The HTPC is dead, and I say that as a guy who has built over three dozen of them the last 15 years.

Agreed with this. HTPC in the 4k and HDR world is way more trouble than its worth with all the DRM hoops you have to jump through.

Xbox One S is both the cheapest and most capable UHD BluRay player on the market, so i'd just go with that. Maybe in a year they will have sorted out HDR on HTPC.

 

[happy medium]

Agreed with this. HTPC in the 4k and HDR world is way more trouble than its worth with all the DRM hoops you have to jump through.

Xbox One S is both the cheapest and most capable UHD BluRay player on the market, so i'd just go with that. Maybe in a year they will have sorted out HDR on HTPC.

My advice is to not buy anything until the whole mess is sorted out.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Software is out for 4k blue-ray. Cyberlink released it.
http://www.cyberlink.com/stat/edms/ppc/blu-ray-player-software/powerdvd/15/50P_EOL_bundle/us/index.jsp?affid=2581_-1_647_PDVD-NB&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=PowerDVD Non-Branded - US&utm_term=+blu +ray +player +computer&utm_content=Blu-Ray Player Software Long-tail

That is not UHD disk software. It can play UHD files without DRM, but that is useless really because the discs have DRM.

The truth is PC Blu Ray software was the entry point for Blu Ray piracy in the past, and Hollywood feels if they avoid the PC platform then maybe their DRM will hold up longer.

I wouldn't count on my PC properly playing a UHD disc without hacks or software that is illegal in the US for a couple of years if ever.

The Xbox S is a great player for discs and streaming. If someone wants to spend money today it is the answer.