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iGas

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'Dirty oil' pipeline to cut into US heartland

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In Washington, at least 275 protesters have been arrested oppossing a pipeline which they say will damage ecosystems, increase oil dependency and worsen global warming [GALLO/GETTY]

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I hope that these people walked to the protesting site from their home, or at the very least walked part of the way to save the environment. And, perhaps they should vote for the party that is willing to go to war more often over oil.

PS. I'm sure that Canada isn't short customers that is waiting in line to buy our dirty oil.
 
Isnt there another pipeline being built from Canada down to the St Louis, MO area bringing dirty Canadian Oil for processing? They are building a plant to process the oil in Wood River, IL. The project manager was a member of my local church.

Any pipeline constructed might connect to the existing American Pipelines.

http://www.thetelegraph.com/articles/column-31662-crude-crane.html

http://refiningandpetrochemicals.en...ork_at_wood_river_refinery_in_illinois_090922

http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/MAIN/Mainnews.asp?id=2097

I wonder if this project would have been started after Illinois anounced its higher taxes.
 
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PeshakJang said:
I'd like to ask that buffoon in the photo if she drove in on a wind powered car. Goddamn morons.
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I'm not sure why someone who is concerned about how much oil we collect and use needs to stop using it entirely.

Don't get me wrong, I think many (if not most) environmentalist types go way too far in terms of trying to decrease our impact on the environment, especially decreasing our usage of fossil fuels. For many of them, no oil drilling process is clean enough, no transport method safe enough, and no alternative perfect enough. It's a movement largely built on "wouldn't it be nice if we didn't need energy"....which, while true enough, isn't very practical.

On the other hand, I think the environmentalist movement serves as a counter to the other end of the spectrum...people who are just absolute nimrods when it comes to energy consumption and environmental impact. For every over zealous person like thos protestors, there's probably dozens who drive ridiculously unnecessary vehicles to office jobs that are really far away because they wanted to buy a big house and they had to go far away to support it. Those people seem at least as much a group of "Goddamn morons" as anyone you're talking about. If people didn't drive their F-350s 30 miles each way to their jobs as software developers, much of what the environmental nuts complain about wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
 
More reason to build a pipeline to the west coast of Canada instead and get ourselves a new customer in the Chinese.
 
iGas said:
In Washington, at least 275 protesters have been arrested oppossing a pipeline which they say will damage ecosystems, increase oil dependency and worsen global warming
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Oil does not cause oil dependency. Our population is growing and thus needs more oil.

I've an idea. If they want to reduce our energy needs and oil dependency then they may feel free to abort all their children to reduce our population and thus our energy consumption. They're free to stop cooling and heating their homes, free to stop using transportation and lighting. Free to live in the 17th century.

They are perfectly free to live in hell while the rest of us get on with our oil dependent lives.
 
Jaskalas said:
Oil does not cause oil dependency. Our population is growing and thus needs more oil.

I've an idea. If they want to reduce our energy needs and oil dependency then they may feel free to abort all their children to reduce our population and thus our energy consumption. They're free to stop cooling and heating their homes, free to stop using transportation and lighting. Free to live in the 17th century.

They are perfectly free to live in hell while the rest of us get on with our oil dependent lives.
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You talk as if the amount of oil required per person is rigidly defined by the laws of physics...

The problem with the environmental movement is that they try to sell basically the same silly idea, that our current lifestyle "needs" X amount of oil, so decreasing oil usage requires us to dramatically downgrade our lifestyle.

The end result is that both sides ignore actually solving the problem. In the short term we can improve fuel economy and push for more energy efficient appliances and lighting. In the long term, we can develop actual fossil fuel alternatives. Neither of these options require us to live in grass huts.

We just need people to admit oil dependency is an issue we'll have to deal with eventually, and that we can deal with the issue without going back to the stone age.
 
So if these people use 1 drop of oil they have no right to complain about the usage?

So if any of you use even 1 dollar then you have no right to complain about how other dollars are spent.
 
JSt0rm said:
So if these people use 1 drop of oil they have no right to complain about the usage?

So if any of you use even 1 dollar then you have no right to complain about how other dollars are spent.
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9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and OPEC is a cake walk compare to losing 20% of the dirty oil import from Canada.

I would imagine the very next day, you and the rest of the "environment" nut jobs be out on the street waving flags demanding the invasion of Canada.
 
iGas said:
9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and OPEC is a cake walk compare to losing 20% of the dirty oil import from Canada.

I would imagine the very next day, you and the rest of the "environment" nut jobs be out on the street waving flags demanding the invasion of Canada.
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Id probably be at the studio. I've had one day off in the last 2 months.
 
The ignorance of some people is just very puzzling to me. It is almost as if there is something in their genes that makes them inept to basic logical reasoning and common sense.

Do these climatards even take the time to think that even their Toyota Prius still runs on fossil fuels? And that oil pipelines mean easier access to oil, which means they will pay less to fill their tank up? Transportation via a pipeline also doesn't release any emissions to transport it.

And in the grand scheme of things, what impact is one extra oil pipeline going to have? They will either pipe the oil down here, or they will load it on Semis and truck it down here while emitting even more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere just to transport it. It will get transported one way or another because there is a demand for it.
 
this pipeline is GOOD, fucking idiots protesting something that would HELP us not hurt us. we aren't not going to consume oil tomorrow and better we deal with our awesome neighbors to the north who we have far more in common with than idiots across the seas. this would also help create more jobs in America. this is why i hate all the dipshit scientists coming out preaching bullshit when the science is NOT settled(what does that even mean anyways?).
 
bfdd said:
this pipeline is GOOD, fucking idiots protesting something that would HELP us not hurt us. we aren't not going to consume oil tomorrow and better we deal with our awesome neighbors to the north who we have far more in common with than idiots across the seas. this would also help create more jobs in America. this is why i hate all the dipshit scientists coming out preaching bullshit when the science is NOT settled(what does that even mean anyways?).
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The problem is that it doesn't matter that much who we buy from since the market for oil is global. IMO we should do something like the Pickens plan but with nuclear instead of wind. We have a ton of natural gas and CNG car technology is already fully developed.
 
the DRIZZLE said:
The problem is that it doesn't matter that much who we buy from since the market for oil is global. IMO we should do something like the Pickens plan but with nuclear instead of wind. We have a ton of natural gas and CNG car technology is already fully developed.
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I agreed that price doesn't change much regardless of whom you buy the oil. but what would you prefer to buy, dirty Canadian oil or conflict/blood oil from the ME & Africa?

Unfortunately for you, the US NG import is also from the country that produce dirty oil.

PS. There wouldn't be a supplier if their are no consumer.

US Natural Gas Exports and Imports in 2009 by Country

US Natural Gas Imports by Country
The U.S. imported natural gas from only 2 countries; Canada supplied over 4 times America’s total natural gas exports in 2009.

Canada … US$12.4 billion (99.99% of US natural gas imports, down 53.6% from 2008)
Mexico … $65,341 (0.001%, up from nil in 2008).
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Kind of a moot point since Pres. Obama okayed it............ along with knocking the legs out from under the EPA.
 
bfdd said:
this pipeline is GOOD, fucking idiots protesting something that would HELP us not hurt us. we aren't not going to consume oil tomorrow and better we deal with our awesome neighbors to the north who we have far more in common with than idiots across the seas. this would also help create more jobs in America. this is why i hate all the dipshit scientists coming out preaching bullshit when the science is NOT settled(what does that even mean anyways?).
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If these people had their way towns like Williston in North Dakota would still be depressed little ghost towns with sky high unemployment like many other parts of the nation.
 
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