Hell has frozen over, the rumours will now end..

[Sc4freak]

Originally posted by: MrUniq
Dell still sucks....I've witnessed nothing but subpar products from them and their foreign tech suppport.

Strange, I've had pretty good experiences with Dell's tech support. I bought a decent laptop from them (for a good price, too), but it began malfunctioning. I called tech support, they sent a guy over to inspect and repair it. He couldn't find out the problem, so now they're sending me a new laptop. A faster one, too, and with some extras.

 

[Zap]

BTW, my comment before on when did Michael Dell die was because IIRC at one time when asked if Dell will ever sell AMD processors, he quipped, "over my dead body." Maybe it was just my imagination...

Originally posted by: Sc4freak
Strange, I've had pretty good experiences with Dell's tech support. I bought a decent laptop from them (for a good price, too), but it began malfunctioning. I called tech support, they sent a guy over to inspect and repair it. He couldn't find out the problem, so now they're sending me a new laptop. A faster one, too, and with some extras.

The issue is that it still broke. At work we have all Dell systems (literally thousands) and some of them are okay, but some of them are terribly unreliable. The Optiplex GX260 (and to a lesser extent GX270) had issues with dying motherboards (before I started there) that the techs still talk about, and shake their heads over. To this day the CPU fans are still dying left and right (some strange blower design).

 

[Xyclone]

This is good news. One step at a time.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: zsdersw
I'm surprised. I didn't expect anyone here to have the same opinion of Dell now that they'll be selling AMD-based systems. I thought Dell would become everyone's favorite.. because it was never the cheap-o hardware, tech support, or any other of the typical complaints.. it was because they didn't use AMD chips in some of their systems.

It used to be that, but over the last year or so the other issues began to make Dell less popular.

Hehe. Exploding laptops anyone? I have to admit, I am a bit nervous about my lappy battery. Until the battery fiasco is well documented and all recall lists are final, I have taken out my bettery and just run off the A/C adapter. I use my lappy for a desktop anyway. I never take it off my desk. It's one of those, "Ya never know" situations, and being a father, I worry about EVERYTHING that has to do with my kids safety. I get migranes sometimes. LOL.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zap
BTW, my comment before on when did Michael Dell die was because IIRC at one time when asked if Dell will ever sell AMD processors, he quipped, "over my dead body." Maybe it was just my imagination...

Originally posted by: Sc4freak
Strange, I've had pretty good experiences with Dell's tech support. I bought a decent laptop from them (for a good price, too), but it began malfunctioning. I called tech support, they sent a guy over to inspect and repair it. He couldn't find out the problem, so now they're sending me a new laptop. A faster one, too, and with some extras.

The issue is that it still broke. At work we have all Dell systems (literally thousands) and some of them are okay, but some of them are terribly unreliable. The Optiplex GX260 (and to a lesser extent GX270) had issues with dying motherboards (before I started there) that the techs still talk about, and shake their heads over. To this day the CPU fans are still dying left and right (some strange blower design).

I had a lot of trouble with older Precision workstations. The ones that utilized Xeon processors in particular, AND those that used RAMBUS memory. A lot of dying motherboards. HOWEVER My company had premier service from Dell. Sure, we paid for it, but being it was such a large scale, was not very expensive. I became Dell certified via their online tests (too easy) and when I ordered a motherboard replacement, and I ordered it before 12pm, it would usually get to me the next day. So downtime was minimum. This was from 2000 to 2003 mind you. Don't know how Dell is today however.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: sandorski
> 1 Million of AMD cpu's purchased, AMD systems to become 15% of Desktop Systems line

Originally posted by: Zap
BTW, my comment before on when did Michael Dell die was because IIRC at one time when asked if Dell will ever sell AMD processors, he quipped, "over my dead body."

Maybe it was just my imagination...

No it's not your imagination, I had friends working down there at the time he said it.

How come when I reported this a long way back based on upcoming motherboard design/supplier/orders everyone dismissed it that I'm off my rocker?

Well I am but that's besides the point.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well I am but that's besides the point.

Self-deprecation at its finest

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: eelw
Exactly. I love how fanboys always twist things to their own favour. If Netburst is crap and is about 5-10% slower than K8, what does a 20-30% advantage by Conroe mean for A64/X2???

Wow, how is that fanboys are always the ones who start calling other people fanboys?? A Crapburst was between 20 & 50% slower, depending on the application, than a Skt. 754. Yes, they continually got slightly faster, with each "new" version of the P4, until finally only being ~10% slower, by the time that Presler came onto the scene.

So, if Pentiums were so awesome, tell me why your favorite company on earth decided not to call their fastest chip ever a Pentium? Was it because they hadn't spent any money at all advertising the Pentium name? Obviously not. So, it must have been because, even though they'd spent 100's of millions of $$$ advertising it, nobody had ever heard of it, right? Obviously not.

Hmmm, that only leaves the fact that everyone, even the kids in grade school, knows how slow Pentiums happen to be (in fact, used to be) that they didn't want to burden this awesome new chip with that awful legacy. Makes more sense, doesn't it?:roll:

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: eelw
Exactly. I love how fanboys always twist things to their own favour. If Netburst is crap and is about 5-10% slower than K8, what does a 20-30% advantage by Conroe mean for A64/X2???

Wow, how is that fanboys are always the ones who start calling other people fanboys?? A Crapburst was between 20 & 50% slower, depending on the application, than a Skt. 754. Yes, they continually got slightly faster, with each "new" version of the P4, until finally only being ~10% slower, by the time that Presler came onto the scene.

So, if Pentiums were so awesome, tell me why your favorite company on earth decided not to call their fastest chip ever a Pentium? Was it because they hadn't spent any money at all advertising the Pentium name? Obviously not. So, it must have been because, even though they'd spent 100's of millions of $$$ advertising it, nobody had ever heard of it, right? Obviously not.

Hmmm, that only leaves the fact that everyone, even the kids in grade school, knows how slow Pentiums happen to be (in fact, used to be) that they didn't want to burden this awesome new chip with that awful legacy. Makes more sense, doesn't it?:roll:

I don't recall Netburst EVER being 20-50% slower than comparable Athlons (let alone S754)...at their worst disparity, it was closer to 35% slower on the worst apps, with an average of ~15-20% across the board.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Viditor
I don't recall Netburst EVER being 20-50% slower than comparable Athlons (let alone S754)...at their worst disparity, it was closer to 35% slower on the worst apps, with an average of ~15-20% across the board.

QFT. NetBurst wasn't nearly as bad as some would like to believe.

And I'll throw my trusty old 3.0 Prescott up against ANY Socket 754 rig.

 

[secretanchitman]

2.4C northwood = probably one of the best p4s intel made.

never going to sell this 3.6Ghz capable puppy.

*strokes 2.4C*

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
*strokes 2.4C*

You play your games, I'll play mine.