Helix Mod says 3d gaming is in decline.

[NIGELG]

http://helixmod.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/decline-of-3d-vision.html

Simplicity in gaming triumphs nerd gear.I always thought 3d gaming would fail and it seems that it has.....

Who wants to put on glasses and buy an expensive 3d kit anymore?

Will the equally geeky Occulus Rift supplant 3d or will it die too?I personally prefer a keyboard/mouse and a monitor.No steering wheel,joystick, 3d glasses,Occulus Rift,Eyefinity etc.

I think many people just want to game and in today's fast paced world who has the time and inclination to get into all this stuff?

 

[realibrad]

Gaming will always go toward immersion. 3D is neat, but it has limits that break the immersion and thus currently is doomed to fail. Eventually, we will come up with new technologies that will make 2D a think of the past, and will be better off for it.

 

[SPBHM]

Oculus Rift offers a lot more than the limited 3d glasses, it's a completely different level of immersion, it looks to me like all the excitement around the 3d glasses is gone, they sold a few, most people didn't care, let's move on to the 4K hype

I wouldn't consider rift and VR glasses the same kind of thing as the 3d glasses, but it also can struggle to get good adoption for sure.

 

[Silverforce11]

Everytime I tried gaming with 3d glasses, it made me want to vomit.

That and it just feels to gimmick, in online FPS its an distraction and makes it harder.

 

[antihelten]

OP did you even read your own link? Helix mod did not say that 3D gaming is in decline, they said that 3D vision (i.e. Nvidias 3D glasses) is in decline.

This being due to a lack of support from Nvidia, with Nvidia basically leaving support to modders (Helix Mod). Helix mod is tired of having to do all the support themselves with no help from Nvidia (and Nvidia even getting in the way at times). They have therefore decided to drop 3D vision, in favor of Oculus Rift.

In other words 3D gaming is fine and actually on the rise, just not on Nvidias 3D vision.

 

[NIGELG]

OP did you even read your own link? Helix mod did not say that 3D gaming is in decline, they said that 3D vision (i.e. Nvidias 3D glasses) is in decline.

This being due to a lack of support from Nvidia, with Nvidia basically leaving support to modders (Helix Mod). Helix mod is tired of having to do all the support themselves with no help from Nvidia (and Nvidia even getting in the way at times). They have therefore decided to drop 3D vision, in favor of Oculus Rift.

In other words 3D gaming is fine and actually on the rise, just not on Nvidias 3D vision.

Yes.

I stand corrected.

 

[NTMBK]

Developers are not interested in NVidia's proprietary system, which is only used by a tiny subset (3D monitor owners) of a subset (NVidia users) of a subset of the total gaming market (PC vs console). SHOCKER. They should have cooked up an open standard supported by AMD and Intel, and tried to boost user numbers.

 

[RussianSensation]

I don't blame NV for not supporting 3D Vision. Considering 3D TVs failed, it was a matter of time before 3D gaming with glasses on a small monitor would also price to be unpopular. NV's focus is now on GameWorks, incorporating PhysX, TXAA and HBAO+ into newer popular titles. From a brand building and marketing point if view, it makes a lot more sense for NV to spend money there.

 

[ViRGE]

I don't blame NV for not supporting 3D Vision. Considering 3D TVs failed, it was a matter of time before 3D gaming with glasses on a small monitor would also price to be unpopular. NV's focus is now on GameWorks, incorporating PhysX, TXAA and HBAO+ into newer popular titles. From a brand building and marketing point if view, it makes a lot more sense for NV to spend money there.

I'm not a 3D Vision owner/user, but I thought NVIDIA was still supporting it? It constantly comes up in their driver release notes.

Supports new “3D Compatibility Mode” for 3D Vision that enables us to improve the 3D experience for many key DirectX 10 and 11 games.

3D Vision Profiles
Goat Simulator – rated “Excellent”
MXGP – rated “Good”
Call of Duty:Online – rated “Good”
Dark Souls II – rated “Good”
DayZ – rated “Good”
Halo: Spartan Assault – rated “Good”
Loadout – rated “Fair”

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Problem is that 3D with a lot of games is useless (on a side note, Trine 2 in 3D is the best looking game I've ever seen).

 

[antihelten]

I'm not a 3D Vision owner/user, but I thought NVIDIA was still supporting it? It constantly comes up in their driver release notes.

Apparently though, if the link posted in the OP is to be believed, those ratings are often complete BS.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I'm not a 3D Vision owner/user, but I thought NVIDIA was still supporting it? It constantly comes up in their driver release notes.

Supporting it, but not pushing it, like they were during the 3d tv hype.

3d on a monitor is cool to play around with, but there are a bunch of drawbacks, like added eyestrain, at least it got us a bunch of screens that can do backlight strobing, so we got something out of it I guess.

 

[SirPauly]

Imho,

nVidia is still supporting 3d vision and recently offered a compatible 3d stereo feature that gamers can turn on and off!

Without game developer support, it really is hard to have an ideal 3d stereo experience and 3d stereo in its current form is a conglomeration of trade-offs.

Sadly, the market didn't react strong enough to warrant developers to spend resources on 3d stereo more.

 

[NIGELG]

Sadly, the market didn't react strong enough to warrant developers to spend resources on 3d stereo more.

And why is this?

 

[SirPauly]

Because many consumers may feel that it is too much of a hassle and too many cons to spend their resources on. If I had a dime for every post I read about just putting glasses on speaks volumes!

"Every single person" I did show 3d stereo tweaked on my platform was blown away --- ducking -- moving backwards -- smiling! Sadly, there is modest tweaking and many popular titles were not compatible and voiced my constructive nit-pick!

Assassins Creed 3 was a very fun title -- and loathed that I couldn't enjoy levels of 3d stereo in that title! The compatibility feature addressed that, while not being ideal offered a good 3d stereo experience with feature compatibility!

FWIW, always desired stereo 3d flexibility and had this ability as far back as the Voodoo 2 Sli days with my Wicked3d platform. Never cared if it was the next big thing but appreciated the awareness -- personally desired 3d stereo flexibility because it adds another level of immersion!

 

[NIGELG]

Because many consumers may feel that it is too much of a hassle and too many cons to spend their resources on. If I had a dime for every post I read about just putting glasses on speaks volumes!

"Every single person" I did show 3d stereo tweaked on my platform was blown away --- ducking -- moving backwards -- smiling! Sadly, there is modest tweaking and many popular titles were not compatible and voiced my constructive nit-pick!

Assassins Creed 3 was a very fun title -- and loathed that I couldn't enjoy levels of 3d stereo in that title! The compatibility feature addressed that, while not being ideal offered a good 3d stereo experience with feature compatibility!

FWIW, always desired stereo 3d flexibility and had this ability as far back as the Voodoo 2 Sli days with my Wicked3d platform. Never cared if it was the next big thing but appreciated the awareness -- personally desired 3d stereo flexibility because it adds another level of immersion!

Your first two sentences pretty much sums it up.

There are just too many things to enjoy in life rather than messing around with 3d glasses and settings.

I like 3d at the cinema but it really is unappealing to me to get into 3d gaming.

 

[bystander36]

As a 3D Vision user, I do think the tech can be awesome, but the lack of dev support, the need to tweak your settings and 3D TV's and movies bad impressions has certainly hurt 3D gaming.

When 3D gaming is done well, it is pretty awesome. Helix mod goes a long way to making many games awesome. If more people knew about how good it can be, more people would buy in to it. But the need to properly tweak and mod a game to function well, leave most people not knowing what they are missing. And of course, the dev's have done no favors in not supporting it, when very small changes to the way they handle things would allow their games to work perfectly, as Helix mod has shown.

 

[SirPauly]

I think many people just want to game and in today's fast paced world who has the time and inclination to get into all this stuff?

I can only speak for me: I can only play a game once for the first time so the desire subjectively is to create the most immersion with good performance; to feel like I am in the game or taking part of the game! Gaming experience -- gaming experience potential -- where technology and art collide! Don't desire to just play a game but experience the game!

 

[AnandThenMan]

I'm not a 3D Vision owner/user, but I thought NVIDIA was still supporting it? It constantly comes up in their driver release notes.

From the article, doesn't sound like very good support if this is true:

NVIDIA has done many other things that upset all of us ranging from Negligence to False Advertising. To the point many games including ones we added support to are claimed to be 3D Vision supported.​

3D gaming IMO had a very small chance of gaining widespread acceptance, combine that with the proprietary and expensive nature of 3D Vision and the fate of Nvidia's initiative was sealed.

 

[bystander36]

From the article, doesn't sound like very good support if this is true:

NVIDIA has done many other things that upset all of us ranging from Negligence to False Advertising. To the point many games including ones we added support to are claimed to be 3D Vision supported.​

3D gaming IMO had a very small chance of gaining widespread acceptance, combine that with the proprietary and expensive nature of 3D Vision and the fate of Nvidia's initiative was sealed.

In the case of some games being considered "3D Vision supported", but turn out to not, that is in part due to the dev's. For instance, at release, Skyrim worked well with Nvidia 3d Vision. After a major patch down the road, the Skyrim dev's changed things a lot, and all of a sudden, 3D Vision sucked badly on Skyrim.

Luckily, Helix Mod fixed it. The problem, at least from my experience, is the dev's. They do not seem to give much support, if any, to 3D. Nvidia's role in 3D on most games is simply them testing the game and telling us how well it was supported.

 

[kasakka]

3D as implemented in TVs etc currently is a big failure. Even in the movie theaters the effect basically wears off after 15 minutes. Your brain just compensates and gets used to it so all you are left with is a darker screen and at least for me it's much harder to track moving objects in 3D.

I do have a 3D TV but I haven't even bothered buying the glasses for it.

Now Oculus Rift and other VR glasses are going to be huge when the tech issues (namely lag, low resolution, controls and being tied to a bunch of cables) get resolved. I've tried the first gen Oculus Rift and it was impressive but I'm not sure how well it would work for a first person shooter for example as currently they are basically games where your nose has been replaced with a gun. If this is changed so that your head controls the character's head (vision), then aiming at anything will have to be handled some other way. While alternative controls like the PS Move work decently, they're not good for moving the character around.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Nvidia's role in 3D on most games is simply them testing the game and telling us how well it was supported.

And that would be a big reason 3D Vision failed. Can't leave everything up to the game devs and modding community, or worse hamper their efforts.

 

[bystander36]

And that would be a big reason 3D Vision failed. Can't leave everything up to the game devs and modding community, or worse hamper their efforts.

I'm not sure it has "failed", but it definitely hasn't taken off as much as it could have. I'm hoping the Oculus Rift will help. They seem to have a lot of dev support, and a game made to work with the Oculus Rift should be easily made functional with other forms of 3D. The only difference is you'd stick with the traditional controls for your view.

 

[TrulyUncouth]

As someone who has had 3d vision and now has an oculus rift I think the two aren't even remotely in the same category. With 3d vision I always felt like it was under-supported and ran poorly in most games. For a released product that I spent over $800 to get running well I came away very disappointed with 3d vision.

The oculus in comparison was the first version of an unreleased product and while it wasn't perfect its immediately enjoyable. As soon as you try it you can easily tell it takes gaming to a whole new level. I feel confident VR will take off in a big way- the many different uses for it are insane. You can look around inside famous locations using google maps, play a ton of games, watcfh 3d movies in a cinema, walk along the ocean floor and interact with all the different animals, and of course porn- and that's not even looking at all the business uses. I just don't see how once people try it they won't be hooked. Keep in mind my high opinion of it comes from the super low res original dev kit.

Didn't mean to act as an oculus evangelist- just think I am prolly one of a very few that have had both 3d vision and a rift. Also, to be fair I haven't used 3d vision in 2-3 years and it may have improved a huge deal since. Even though I will agree with the suggestion for Trine- I only played the original on 3d vision but my god it was easily the best title and the first one I showed to everyone who tried it. Kudos to those devs for making a great game that translated very well to 3d.

 

[SirPauly]

You can do that as well with 3d stereo ---- the key differentiation with Oculus is the field of view -- one can already have head tracking with Track IR!

What's nice about Oculus is the combination of 3d stereo/FOV/low latency head tracking but it still is 3d stereo!