Helen Thomas, idiot anti-semite

cubby1223

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Tell her to get the fuck out of America. This land belongs to the Indians, not her.

Or do we continue to hold others to countless double standards in the name of liberalism?
 

kylebisme

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While Thomas did suggest the dissolution of Israel, if she actually held bigotry against Jews she surely wouldn't be suggesting Jews of American origin should return to here. Ignoring as much to to slander her as a bigot is absurd. Granted, conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, even people like myself who support a two-state solution on the basis of international law often get slandered with ridiculous accusations of bigotry.
 

kylebisme

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Or do we continue to hold others to countless double standards in the name of liberalism?
Rather, we've long given all Native Americans US citizenship, while Israel is still colonizing millions of Palestinians' homeland out from under them in denial of their human rights, much like the US did to Native Americans long ago.
 

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While Thomas did suggest the dissolution of Israel, if she actually held bigotry against Jews she surely wouldn't be suggesting Jews of American origin should return to here. Ignoring as much to to slander her as a bigot is absurd. Granted, conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, even people like myself who support a two-state solution on the basis of international law often get slandered with ridiculous accusations of bigotry.

Jews ran from salughter in Germany and Poland, both of which remain incredibly anti-semitic (esp. Poland and other parts of eastern Europe.) The Jews ran from those places to settle where they are now, to escape persecution and slaughter. It isn't a great leap to conclude that she is an anti-semite, but even if somehow she isn't, she can **** off.

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kylebisme

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Jews ran from salughter in Germany and Poland, both of which remain incredibly anti-semitic (esp. Poland and other parts of eastern Europe.)
Do you have any statistics to back this up? The latter part that is, of course I'm well aware of the extreme bigotry against Jews in that region decades ago.
 

werepossum

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In fairness to journalism's crazy old aunt in the attic, she was in Palestine and had a very rough time when the Jews seized it - from the Canaanites. Plus Moses carved something lame in her yearbook.

It will be interesting to see how the Obama White House handles this.
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Some people are better to have as adversaries. After eight years of hearing Helen asking "Why are you so evil?" in a variety of inane ways, even when she no longer was even a journalist, I bet Bush is laughing his ass off.
 

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Tell her to get the fuck out of America. This land belongs to the Indians, not her.

Or do we continue to hold others to countless double standards in the name of liberalism?

Pretty sure we fought wars and signed treaties declaring America the winner over the Indians.
 

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Wow, I have even more respect for her now than I did before.

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woolfe9999

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Do you have any statistics to back this up? The latter part that is, of course I'm well aware of the extreme bigotry against Jews in that region decades ago.

Not at my finger tips. Bigotry is very difficult to quanify with statistics. You are free to doubt that anti-semitism runs rampant in Europe, particularly in Poland and eastern Europe, based on my lack of supplying "statistics." You can research it yourself.

Yeah, anti-semitism is a thing of the past. Everyone in Europe "suddenly got over it" after the Holocaust. Just like racism toward blacks in America. They ended Jim Crow law, and people suddenly realized that they just loved those blacks.

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kylebisme

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Bigotry is very difficult to quanify with statistics.
On what grounds did you qualify Germany and Poland as "incredibly anti-semitic" then? I'm well aware the fact that there is bigotry all over the world towards all sorts of people, Jews included. However, having lived in Germany for three years when my father was stationed there back in the '80s, I found no more animosity towards Jews there than in here in the US, and best I can tell it hasn't changed much since.
 

werepossum

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She has a point. After WWII, Germany should have been carved up as a homeland for the Jews. Not the middle east.
Why not carve up Germany as a home for the Palestinians, who took it from the Romans, who took it from the Jews?

Israel wasn't given to the Jews, the Jews took it. They fought every surrounding Muslim nation PLUS the British. Oddly, they seemed to prefer a homeland in their sacred land (since a millennium and more before Islam even existed), where they comprised a majority, than a homeland in the middle of a country and a continent that had just spent better than half a decade murdering them by the millions. Go figure. Sorry if that doesn't work for you, budrow.

You too have a point. I recommend a nice hat to cover it.
 

kylebisme

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Why not carve up Germany as a home for the Palestinians, who took it from the Romans, who took it from the Jews?
Because that's just pin-headed nonsense in light of the fact that the people generally referred to as Palestinians today are largely descended from the same people who lived in the region long before Judaism existed, many of their ancestors having been Jews themselves.
 

cubby1223

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She has a point. After WWII, Germany should have been carved up as a homeland for the Jews. Not the middle east.

Yep.

Certainly not the original homeland of the Jewish people, that should *never* be considered where they should live.
 

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Yep.

Certainly not the original homeland of the Jewish people, that should *never* be considered where they should live.


The majority of Jews living in Israel are White with little to no trace of semitic blood in them. Lets get real here, they are all Euros that belong in Europe, not in the middle east where they think they have some right to be. By that logic, Whites today that have 1/10th Cherokee in them should claim entire states and say it's a homeland for their Cherokee origins..ridiculous.
 

werepossum

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Exactly. Just like Thomas' comments
Which was my point. One might as well say Germany should have been carved up to make a homeland for the homosexuals so that they didn't bother other nations, or a homeland for the Poles since Russia took theirs.
 

kylebisme

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Certainly not the original homeland of the Jewish people, that should *never* be considered where they should live.
Of course it's the homeland of Judaism, and I don't have any problem with Jews living in the region, I simply take issue with Israel's ongoing occupation and colonization of what little is left of Palestine.

Exactly. Just like Thomas' comments
I agree, but I don't consider her pin-headed nonsense is any excuse for that of others.
 

werepossum

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Better yet, Chattanooga, TN should be carved up and given to the Jews.
Since the Jews are welcome here and we're not kidnapping them or shooting their children or lobbing rockets at them, they probably feel little need for Chattanooga, TN to be carved up for them.
 

palehorse

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Of course it's the homeland of Judaism, and I don't have any problem with Jews living in the region, I simply take issue with Israel's ongoing occupation and colonization of what little is left of Palestine.
As the last living decedent of the people of Djahi, perhaps I should claim the entire area as my own...

Oh... wait... that would just be silly, wouldn't it?!
 

kylebisme

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Since the Jews are welcome here and we're not kidnapping them or shooting their children or lobbing rockets at them, they probably feel little need for Chattanooga, TN to be carved up for them.
And again we are back to the fact that the Shoah happened in Europe, not the Middle East.