Heil Bush

[n0cmonkey]

Good-bye freedom.

Anyone know of a free country anywhere in the world?

 

[rival]

i dont get it, what am i reading here? a rant? freedom has to 'evolve' to survive..

 

[ElFenix]

huh?

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< i dont get it, what am i reading here? a rant? freedom has to 'evolve' to survive.. >>



If we go from freedom to taking away those freedoms it does not matter if it has "evolved". It is then dead.

 

[dababus]

no free country in the world is left now. The World Government is coming. :frown:

 

[Gooberlx2]

garbage

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The World Government is coming
Actually, that sounds like an interesting idea. Take all the people of the world, put them under one flag, given enough time (1-2 hundred years) everyone assimilates to the same culture. I bet that's bound to happen, but not in our lifetime.
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[dababus]

hey n0cmonkey, check this site. here

 

[dababus]

garbage, Nelson from Simpsons---> Haha.

 

[worth]

n0c, you're a communist!

 

[Capn]

Nice unbiased site there....

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< n0c, you're a communist! >>



I may be closer to communism than capitalism, but we are NOT talking economics genius! We are talking about the fact that several rights have been taken away because Bush and the rest of the corporate government cannot stand that US citizens have rights!

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< Nice unbiased site there.... >>



I am sure most news sites (not just security sites and sites that try to protect our freedoms like the one I mentioned) have had stories on this.

 

[Gooberlx2]

what exactly has been taken away?

 

[Amused]

<< what exactly has been taken away? >>



The first page of that site whines about hackers being busted for the vandalism they do to people's websites. They piss and moan that they're being compared to terrorists.

Well, guess what? Malicious hackers ARE terrorists.

Get over it... stop taking part in illegal activity and you'll have nothing to worry about.

It's about time we declared war on hackers.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< what exactly has been taken away? >>



That should explain most of it.

Increased power in wiretapping, easing the restrictions on sharing information between law enforcement and intelligence officers, law enforcement gets greater subpoena power for e-mail recods or "suspected terrorists".

I dont think this is the one that takes encryption away from us, but I have to look into that a little more.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<<

<< what exactly has been taken away? >>



The first page of that site whines about hackers being busted for the vandalism they do to people's websites. They piss and moan that they're being compared to terrorists.

Well, guess what? Malicious hackers ARE terrorists. >>



Vandalists yes, terrorists no. The creator of the site is also in jail for telepathically hax0ring some site. Go figure. That is a respected security site, and if you were in the security industry you would know that. They also make fun of a lot of the script kiddiots out there. Take a look and read more than just a few sentances.



<< Get over it... stop taking part in illegal activity and you'll have nothing to worry about. >>



But why should my privacy be given up? This only harms the innocent. The people that they want to catch know how to get around this stuff.



<< It's about time we declared war on hackers. >>



FSCK NO! Learn what you are saying before you say it. Without HACKERS we would not be having this conversation now. Stop being so stupid and learn the TRUE definition of the word, NOT what the media gives you as the definition.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

ummmm what freedom is taken away? the bill does very specific things. for example, the wiretapping only expands agent's power to tap more than one of a suspected terrorist's phones. in this day and age, people have more than one phone that they use. what's the big deal there?

also, that link mentions losing freedom of speech. well if freedom of speech equals broadcasting instructions from a terrorist mastermind, well then screw freedom of speech. my idea of freedom of speech is that people can say stuff that the government doesn't agree with, including criticism. it doesn't include yelling "fire" in a crowded building or telling terrorists exactly where the president is hiding.

 

[Balt]

Um, sorry but I don't really see how sharing information between intelligence officers and law enforcement, increased ROAMING WIRETAPS ON SUSPECTS, and the e-mail thing for suspected terrorists qualifies as all the crap that site is spewing.

Besides, even if some of them do infringe on vital civil liberties (and I don't see that they do, unless you are a suspected terrorist), we have a little thing called the Supreme Court.


This alarmist crap is so uneducated.

Edit: Trust me, the first time that I see that my civil liberties have been trampled upon, I'll be screaming all this stuff too.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< Um, sorry but I don't really see how sharing information between intelligence officers and law enforcement, increased ROAMING WIRETAPS ON SUSPECTS, and the e-mail thing for suspected terrorists qualifies as all the crap that site is spewing. >>



But what is a suspected terrorist?



<< Besides, even if some of them do infringe on vital civil liberties (and I don't see that they do, unless you are a suspected terrorist), we have a little thing called the Supreme Court. >>



The supreme court doesnt know what the constitution is let alone defend it. Corporations have taken care of that. Cha-CHING!




<< This alarmist crap is so uneducated.

Edit: Trust me, the first time that I see that my civil liberties have been trampled upon, I'll be screaming all this stuff too. >>



So are you for or against government backdoored crypto?

 

[jehh]

I took a look at the rest of the site...

Those are mostly EXTREAME nut cases...

Of course in the US, they are extreame nut cases with GUNS!

God Bless America...

Jason

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< ummmm what freedom is taken away? the bill does very specific things. for example, the wiretapping only expands agent's power to tap more than one of a suspected terrorist's phones. in this day and age, people have more than one phone that they use. what's the big deal there? >>



Because I dont want them to tap phones that I may use. Like a payphone.



<< also, that link mentions losing freedom of speech. well if freedom of speech equals broadcasting instructions from a terrorist mastermind, well then screw freedom of speech. my idea of freedom of speech is that people can say stuff that the government doesn't agree with, including criticism. it doesn't include yelling "fire" in a crowded building or telling terrorists exactly where the president is hiding. >>




This is being taken away bit by bit all the time. No surprise there.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< I took a look at the rest of the site... >>



Impressive, its not a small site and I havent gotten a chance to see ALL of it.



<< Those are mostly EXTREAME nut cases... >>



If by nutcases you mean they know their sh|t, then yes. Being pro-Constitution and pro-security means they are crazy? WTF are you smoking?



<< Of course in the US, they are extreame nut cases with GUNS! >>



It could be worse. We could have a convicted criminal leading the country or corporation- I mean lobbyists could be allowed to buy votes.



<< God Bless America... >>



Amen!

 

[KaBudokan]

<< We are talking about the fact that several rights have been taken away because Bush and the rest of the corporate government cannot stand that US citizens have rights! >>


That's an intelligent quote if I ever heard one.

I agree that we need to be careful and watch our liberties, but asserting that "Bush can't stand that US citizens have rights" is an ignorant statement if I ever heard one.

Any credibility you may have had with anyone bothering to listen goes out the door when you start spouting emotionally charged unsubstantiated rhetoric like that.

Have a nice day.

 

[Balt]

<<But what is a suspected terrorist?>>

That will probably be left up to the courts to decide. If they decide that your average joe isn't a suspected terrorist, all evidence collected using the new methods will be inadmissible.


<<The supreme court doesnt know what the constitution is let alone defend it. Corporations have taken care of that. Cha-CHING!>>

I have to disagree with that statement. If the Supreme Court didn't strike laws down on a regular basis, you would never see organizations like the ACLU (and while I don't always agree with the ACLU, I am certainly glad they are there) be so successful.

<<So are you for or against government backdoored crypto?>>

I'm against that actually. I'm not sure how much it matter, though, as they likely have super-computers that can crack the encrpytion we use quite easily.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<<

<< We are talking about the fact that several rights have been taken away because Bush and the rest of the corporate government cannot stand that US citizens have rights! >>


That's an intelligent quote if I ever heard one.

I agree that we need to be careful and watch our liberties, but asserting that "Bush can't stand that US citizens have rights" is an ignorant statement if I ever heard one. >>



hypocrite. Make up your mind. Also, how is it ignorant? Something goes boom and they need to take away the last few rights we have? Maybe they should do their job instead. I have not heard of a recent law that protects citizens from anything. DMCA protects corporations, this law protects the government, the future law (sssca) also protects corporations. But NONE of those laws (or proposed laws) does anything to help the American people.



<< Any credibility you may have had with anyone bothering to listen goes out the door when you start spouting emotionally charged unsubstantiated rhetoric like that. >>



Of course, no one thinks that everyone who said "BOMB THE FSCKERS!" on 9/11/01 were making "ignorant statements". If he or any of the others cared (besides the one congressman (DEMOCRAT I believe from Wisconsin, but I could be wrong) they would not be TAKING AWAY any freedoms. They would be trying to STOP future attacks.



<< Have a nice day. >>



Im about to. Thanks.