Heat, Hawks to replay final minute of Dec. 19 game later this year

MotionMan

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3192421

ATLANTA -- The Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat must replay the final 51.9 seconds of their game last month because the NBA said the official scorer ruled incorrectly that Shaquille O'Neal fouled out. This will be the first time since 1982 the league has sent teams back on the court for a replay.

The Hawks won 117-111 at home in overtime Dec. 19. The NBA said Friday the replay will be held before the teams' next scheduled game -- March 8 in Atlanta. Play will start from the time after O'Neal's disputed sixth foul.

The Hawks also were fined $50,000, with commissioner David Stern ruling the team was "grossly negligent" in failing to address the mistake.

The protest is the first granted by the NBA since December 1982, when then-NBA commissioner Larry O'Brien upheld a request for a replay by the San Antonio Spurs after their 137-132 double-overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers the previous month.

The Spurs and Lakers finished the game in April 1983, with San Antonio winning 117-114.

The Hawks were leading 112-111 in overtime when O'Neal was called for a foul. The scoring table personnel, who are provided by the home team, ruled it was the Miami center's sixth foul, when actually it was only his fifth.

According to the league, the mistake stemmed from a foul with 3:24 remaining in the fourth quarter that was called on Udonis Haslem but was mistakenly credited to O'Neal at the scoring table.

Stern ruled the Hawks "failed to follow league-mandated scoring procedures and failed to respond effectively when the members of the statisticians' crew noticed the mistake," the NBA said in a statement.

The NBA requires the official scorer to coordinate foul calls with the stat crew during every timeout. That apparently didn't happen in this case, resulting in the mistake going unnoticed until after the game, when the Hawks put out revised boxes showing O'Neal with six fouls.

This isn't the first statistical problem to occur in Atlanta. On Nov. 24, 2006, the official scorer failed to credit Toronto's T.J. Ford with a basket that would have given the Raptors a late tie and an opportunity to change the outcome of a 97-93 loss.

"Because of this conduct by Atlanta's personnel, Miami suffered a clear competitive disadvantage, as O'Neal -- the Heat's second-leading scorer and rebounder that night -- was removed from a one-point game with only 51.9 seconds remaining," the NBA statement said.

Al Horford hit two free throws after O'Neal's foul to give the Hawks a 114-111 lead. Anthony Johnson added a running jumper with 14 seconds left to put the game away.

Now, they'll have to do it over again.

The standings of each team will be reversed (one less win for the Hawks, one less loss for the Heat), and all statistics from the game will be removed until the game is officially completed.

Just sounds weird.

What do they do with players who were not on the team at the time of the original game? Or players from the original game who are now on other teams?

They should just run it through 'NBA Live' 10,000 times to pick winner and use the average result as the final score and stats ;)

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maddogchen

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so what happens if i had traded one of those players in my fantasy basketball team? Who gets the points now?
 

paulxcook

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Originally posted by: Syringer
This just got even more interesting with Shaq being traded, ha.

Wow, will they even replay the game?

edit: Beau, did you even read any of the article?
 

slayer202

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Syringer
This just got even more interesting with Shaq being traded, ha.

not really... if he had fouled out in the last minute, then he wouldn't be playing anyway.

hope that is a joke, but i'm not sure it was
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Syringer
This just got even more interesting with Shaq being traded, ha.

not really... if he had fouled out in the last minute, then he wouldn't be playing anyway.

Reading comprehension FTW
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: Syringer
This just got even more interesting with Shaq being traded, ha.

Wow, will they even replay the game?

edit: Beau, did you even read any of the article?

Indeed they will http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse...appening-without-shaq/

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse...appening-without-shaq/

Heat-Hawks Game Replay Still Happening Without Shaq

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Posted Feb 7th 2008 12:37PM by Brett Edwards
Filed under: Hawks, Heat, Suns

Hey so remember back in December when the Heat protested an overtime loss to the Hawks? No? Allow me to recap. Shaq was ruled by the scorers in Atlanta to have picked up his sixth foul with 51.9 seconds left and the Heat trailing by one, thus resulting in his disqualification. The problem was, Shaq only had five fouls at the time, and should have been allowed to remain in the game. The commissioner actually granted the protest, vacated the Hawks' win, and set it up for the teams to replay those final 51.9 seconds before their next full game on March 8.


Now that Shaq has been traded to the Phoenix Suns, it wouldn't make any sense for the league to continue with the replay, right? I mean, the whole thing revolved around the fact that Shaq should have been allowed to play out the game, and now he won't be around to do so. Well, be that as it may, the protested game will be replayed as planned, much to the dismay of Joe Johnson.

"As far as I'm concerned there's no reason to even bother with the replay," said Hawks captain and All-Star Joe Johnson. "If Shaq's not going to be here, what's the point?"

The Hawks won't be that lucky. Even without O'Neal, the replay will go on. But there are stipulations.

Neither Marion nor Banks will be allowed to play. But they will be allowed to play in the regularly scheduled game, which will begin after the replay is completed.

Again, the whole point of the replay was to allow Shaq to play in a game that he was wrongly disqualified from, but since he's now a member of the Suns, that won't happen. I say if they're going to do this, they should do it right. Trades be damned, both teams should have to play those final seconds with their December rosters intact. If the league's not willing to do that, then the game's original result should simply be reinstated.

I think, in protest, the Hawks, should trade away every player who was on the roster that night. Or, even better, the Hawks should trade for Shaq!!!

LOL.

MotionMan
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
What does Vegas do with a situation like this?

Depends on what rules your bookmaker has.

For example, here's the rules from a site I know of:

For betting purposes, the winner of an event will be determined on the date of the event's conclusion. We do not recognize suspended games, protests, scoring amendments, result reversals or overturned decisions.
 

Sqube

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Syringer
This just got even more interesting with Shaq being traded, ha.

not really... if he had fouled out in the last minute, then he wouldn't be playing anyway.

phale. ;)

Seriously though... it's gonna be kind of surreal. What if Phoenix has a game that same night? Are the Suns just out of luck? This is fascinating.
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: Sqube
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Syringer
This just got even more interesting with Shaq being traded, ha.

not really... if he had fouled out in the last minute, then he wouldn't be playing anyway.

phale. ;)

Seriously though... it's gonna be kind of surreal. What if Phoenix has a game that same night? Are the Suns just out of luck? This is fascinating.

:confused:

MotionMan
 

paulxcook

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Originally posted by: Sqube
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Syringer
This just got even more interesting with Shaq being traded, ha.

not really... if he had fouled out in the last minute, then he wouldn't be playing anyway.

phale. ;)

Seriously though... it's gonna be kind of surreal. What if Phoenix has a game that same night? Are the Suns just out of luck? This is fascinating.

What? Shaq isn't going to leave his new team to play for the Heat for 50 seconds.
 

darkxshade

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In related news, the NBA is in the process of contacting all spectators during the Dec 19th game to return for the last minute. All individuals will also be fined $50 each for failing to mention the mistake.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: torpid
They should be allowed to play marion. That's pretty strange.

Why?

I know during trades neither team can play with the new players for a time, but without the new players all they are doing is playing the game under the exact same circumstances, because they will have to substitute someone for shaq since he is gone. Without any new players there really is no sense to playing this game, except as a potential penalty against the hawks for using questionable scoring crews.

 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: MotionMan
The Hawks won 117-111 at home in overtime Dec. 19. The NBA said Friday the replay will be held before the teams' next scheduled game -- March 8 in Atlanta. Play will start from the time after O'Neal's disputed sixth foul.

Bump because this is coming up.

Discuss in 100 words or less ;)

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